[Ads-l] what's the latest [,] dope/poop/skinny?

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Sun Sep 15 20:01:34 EDT 2019


Nice find, but all by itself it seems not very relevant.

And yes, the unpublished HDAS files contain many wonders. (Unfortunately,
many of the P's seem to have vanished from my PC due to, er, human error.)

JL

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 7:08 PM ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for the details, JL. When you say "acc. to HDAS" are you
> referring to the unreleased files of HDAS?
>
> Here is some wordplay with "bare facts" and "skinny", but I do not
> know its significance.
>
> Date: March 10, 1929
> Newspaper: The Cincinnati Enquirer
> Newspaper Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
> Article: Along Life's Detour
> Author: Sam Hill
> Quote Page 6, Column 8
> Database: Newspapers.com
> https://www.newspapers.com/image/100521835
>
> [Begin excerpt]
> When we used to hear so much about bare facts we never realized how
> skinny some of them could be.
> [End excerpt]
>
> Garson
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 6:20 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Garson.  I didn't see Green's sugg. ety. until after I posted.
> >
> > BTW,  Ernest Frankel, author of "Band of Brothers" is a retired USMC
> > colonel, a veteran of Okinawa and Korea, a a novelist, and TV
> scriptwriter.
> > "Band of Brothers"  (1958) is set early in the Korean War.  Another early
> > user of "the skinny" (in the odd form "the skinnay") was novelist Anton
> > Myrer, also a Marine vet of WWII (and like Hallet, a Harvard grad, FWIW).
> >
> > JL
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 5:54 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The earliest discovered exx. of "the skinny," acc. to HDAS, appear in
> the
> > > adventure memoir, _The Rolling World_ (Boston: Houghton, 1938), by
> Richard
> > > [Matthews] Hallet.  Hallet (1887-1967), from Boothbay Harbor, Maine,
> had
> > > two degrees from Harvard when in 1912 he decided to ditch his law
> career
> > > and go to sea.  His book mainly covers the period of 1912 to about
> 1932 and
> > > recounts as well time he spent in Australia and Arizona.
> > >
> > > Hallet uses "the skinny" at least twice, in a book published decades
> > > before the term went mainstream. It seems significant, however, that
> the
> > > word is neither defined nor placed within quotes:
> > >
> > > P. 287:  "But the elfin corners of Lehua's mouth suggested her gift of
> > > improvisation. Had she really given me the skinny of an actual legend
> from
> > > the archives of her race, or was she wafting me the native poetry of
> her
> > > soul?
> > >
> > > P. 332:  "We lit our pipes.  I gave him the skinny of a yarn I had
> written
> > > of this western country. It was called 'The Snap of the Cap,' and had
> to do
> > > with a man who had fallen in love with a girl out here somewhere in
> these
> > > mountains."
> > >
> > > What may also be significant is that both exx. are "assigned" to the
> > > period after 1928, when Hallet accompanied Navy Secretary Curtis
> Wilbur to
> > > Pearl Harbor in the battleship _California_. (He met "Lehua" on Oahu.)
> It
> > > is thus possible that Hallet picked up a word that already had notable
> > > currency in the Navy, or at least in _California_.  That could explain
> the
> > > absence of definition or quotation marks.
> > >
> > > But so could a lot of things.
> > >
> > > The ex. on p. 287 is easily interpreted as "the real truth," as is now
> > > common, but the second ex. is not; there "the skinny" seems to mean,
> more
> > > precisely, the (bare?) basic facts.  Get it? "Skin-ny."   (Don't blame
> me;
> > > I didn't make the usage up.)
> > >
> > > Of course, the pre-existing naval currency of "Skinny"  at Annapolis as
> > > "physics and chemistry" ("hard sciences" as Stephen observes) wouldn't
> have
> > > hurt the rise of the new meaning.
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 3:54 PM Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> The earliest discovered exx. of "the skinny," acc. to HDAS, appear in
> the
> > >> memoir, _The Rolling World_ (Boston:
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 5:50 PM ADSGarson O'Toole <
> > >> adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>  Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> > >>> > Garson,  that seems to be the glossary appearing in Lee's
> "Fag-Ends."
> > >>> >
> > >>> > The book's pub date is 1878, but the copyright is 1877.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Significantly, even if P. J. Dashiell was still in school in 1877,
> Lee
> > >>> > alludes to a professor nicknamed "Skinny" on p. 41.
> > >>>
> > >>> Here are some links into HathiTrust plus a Google Books link
> > >>>
> > >>> Fag-Ends From the Naval Academy
> > >>> https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015016768346
> > >>>
> > >>> The Last Section - Page 41
> > >>> https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015016768346?urlappend=%3Bseq=95
> > >>>
> > >>> A Dictionary (Second page of dictionary which lists skinny) - Page 99
> > >>> https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015016768346?urlappend=%3Bseq=215
> > >>>
> > >>> Fag-Ends From the Naval Academy
> > >>> https://books.google.com/books?id=NtExAQAAMAAJ&
> > >>>
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> > >
> > >
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> >
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