[Ads-l] glory

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Wed Jun 9 14:02:27 EDT 2021


There was also an excellent British film “Hope and Glory”, set during World War II but not on the battlefield: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093209/

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Historically "glory" was something sought after and respected (as in the
> title of the 1989 movie); now it is something widely dismissed.
> 
> Cf.:
> 
> 1851 Hannah Ransome Geldart  _Stories of Scotland and its Adjacent Islands_
> (London: A. Hall) 150-151: And yet in this our nineteenth century, it is
> not uncommon to hear war excused, nay, even extolled. Boys are wont to read
> of battles in history with all the interest that they would feel in an
> exciting cricket match; and, in fancy, stand upon the battle field, caring
> little for the wounded or the dying around, if but their favorite side win
> the day. There is no glory in battle, children; it cannot be too often
> sounded in your ears. There is no glory in war. Look at Culloden. It is not
> an extreme case.
> 
> JL
> 
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 12:43 PM James Landau <
> 00000c13e57d49b8-dmarc-request at listserv.uga.edu> wrote:
> 
>> On  Tue, 8 Jun 2021 13:45:34 Zone-0400 Jonathan Lighter <
>> wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> posted
>> <begin quote><snip>When people say, "There's no glory in war," they seem
>> to me to be referring
>> to some inner, transformational feeling of satisfaction rather than mere
>> national recognition by others. Even Medal of Honor winners - recipients of
>> glory in the traditional sense - have said there isn't any in war.
>> <end quote>
>> Here's a data point for you, the song "Roger Young" by Frank Loesser,
>> first performed publicly in March 1945
>> 
>>      - Oh, they've got no time for glory in the Infantry.
>>      - Oh, they've got no use for praises loudly sung,
>>      - But in every soldier's heart in all the Infantry
>>      - Shines the name, shines the name of Rodger Young.
>>         - Shines the name — Rodger Young,
>>         - Fought and died for the men he marched among.
>>         - To the everlasting glory of the Infantry
>>         - Lives the story of Private Rodger Young.
>> 
>> 
>> - James A. Landau
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