[Ads-l] Pied-pipe a preposition, but don't pied-pipe a particle (i.e. "up with which I will not put")

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sun Jun 27 17:14:24 EDT 2021


> On Jun 27, 2021, at 5:12 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Laurence Horn wrote:
>> 
>> I’m surprised nobody has brought up the other classic
>> put-down of the rule in question, something along the lines
>> of this exchange (reproduced from memory):
>> 
>> A: "This is the kind of tedious nonsense that I shall not put up with!”
>> B: “Surely you know it’s grammatically incorrect to end a sentence with a preposition?”
>> A: “Very well. This is the kind of tedious nonsense that I shall not put up with, you asshole!”
> 
> There was a thread about this type of dialogue on this list
> previously.

That does ring a vague bell.  Thanks for the emendation.

> Below is the match I posted which used the insult
> "meathead'.
> 
> http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2019-March/154304.html
> 
> February 24, 1980, The Montgomery Advertiser
> 
> [Begin excerpt]
> "Did you hear the one about the Auburn co-ed who had a blind date with
> an Alabama student? To make conversation, she asked her date, "Where
> do you go to school at?" He said he went to Alabama and that he was
> taught there never to end a sentence with a preposition.
> Replied the Auburn co-ed: "Okay, I'll change my question . . . where
> do you go to school at, meathead?"
> [End excerpt]

Ah yes, a more delicate era.

> 
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> 
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>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 3:19 PM, Neal Whitman <nwhitman at AMERITECH.NET> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In this piece for Grammar Girl, I cover the "up with which I will not put" joke, with nods to Fred Shapiro and John Robert Ross:
>>> 
>>> https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/up-with-which-i-will-not-put
>>> 
>>> https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/07/04/churchill-preposition/
>>> 
>>> The quick, dirty, and alliterative rule that did NOT make it into the final script: Pied-pipe a preposition, but don't pied-pipe a particle!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Neal
>>> 
>>> 
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