[Ads-l] Quotation inquiry: Competitions are for horses, not for musicians

[Dan Goncharoff]

Piano Teacher's Professional Handbook - Page 115
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Gordon B. Terwilliger
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· 1965 ·
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The very word " competition ” is enough to generate debate among piano
teachers , for many of them feel , as Bartok once said , “ Competitions are
for horses , not artists . ”


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1962 · ‎Snippet view
... von seinem Freund Béla Bartók stammt und auf den uns der Autor im
letzten Augenblick noch aufmerksam macht : „ Competitions are for horses
not artists “

DanG


On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 3:10 PM ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dan Goncharoff  wrote:
> > I see many attributions in the early 60s that refer to artists instead of
> > musicians.
>
> Thanks for your response, Dan. Would you be willing to give some
> examples with the precise phrasing and the database?
> Garson
>
> > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:55 AM ADSGarson O'Toole <
> adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The saying in the subject line has been attributed to Hungarian
> > > composer Béla Bartók. I received a request to find a solid citation,
> > > but I have not succeeded, and your help is requested.
> > >
> > > The Quote Investigator article has a citation in English from "The New
> > > York Times" dated September 5, 1958, but Bartók died in 1945. Here is
> > > a link to the QI article:
> > >
> > > https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/10/25/competition/
> > >
> > > A citation in Hungarian or English before 1958 would be helpful, and a
> > > citation directly from the mouth of Bartók would be fantastic.
> > >
> > > A Hungarian musicologist might know more. Perhaps you can relay this
> > > inquiry?
> > >
> > > In 1969 Hungarian violinist Joseph Szigeti published "Szigeti on the
> > > Violin". He attributed the saying to Bartók, and he suggested that the
> > > Hungarian word “verseny” was part of the expression.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Garson O'Toole
> > > QuoteInvestigator.com
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