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For some reason, the 1996 Oxford Advanced Learner's (who marches to a different
drummer and my private anthem) has (puh.TEEN.uh) [my transcription] labelled
"US." Ms. Pittman should find this interesting.
<p>The Gage pronunciation is probably the carryover from the 1965 Thorndike-Barnhart
H.S. Dictionary on which it is based. Sorry about the axe.
<p>Another nonlinguist asks, "Who first used 'outsource'?" An idle question
to me, like who first used OK (Sorry Allen, if you are listening), who
invented the wheel, sliced bread, etc. But an answer from anyone with access
to good databases would be appreciated.
<p>Thanks.
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<p>Victoria Neufeldt wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><span class=500331319-19052000><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000FF"><font size=+0>Webster's
New World, Random House, and American Heritage all show 'PATina' first
and 'paTEEna' second (fairly recent editions). Merriam-Webster has
it the other way around; the two variants were transposed for the Ninth
Collegiate edition, 1983, presumably because of evidence for a change in
prevailing pronunciation. But none of the dictionaries mark their
second pronunciation shown as a limited or disputed one, so the implication
is that both are common in the U.S., and that usage may be pretty evenly
split (one or the other must be placed first, of course, even if the two
are equally common). The Gage Canadian Dict (1983) and the
Concise Oxford Dict (1990) show only the 'PATina' pronunciation.</font></font></font></span><span class=500331319-19052000></span><span class=500331319-19052000><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000FF"><font size=+0>Victoria</font></font></font></span><span class=500331319-19052000></span><font size=-1>Merriam-Webster,
Inc. P.O. Box 281</font>
<br><font size=-1>Springfield, MA 01102</font>
<br><font size=-1>Tel: 413-734-3134 ext 124</font>
<br><font size=-1>Fax: 413-827-7262</font><span class=500331319-19052000></span>
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<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=-1><b>From:</b> American Dialect
Society [<A HREF="mailto:ADS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU">mailto:ADS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU</A>]<b>On Behalf Of</b> Victoria Pittman</font></font>
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19, 2000 1:04 PM</font></font>
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<font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Hope someone can
clear this up for me. I am an artist working with metals and often
finish the work with a Patina. I have always heard it pronounced
with the accent on the second syllable..</font></font></font><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>and
pronounced pa-TEEN-ah. The dictionary puts the accent on the first
...PAT-in-ah.</font></font></font> <font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Is
this an American/British difference or what?</font></font></font> <font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Thanks
and sorry if this is a very basic question...I'm an artist not a linguist...</font></font></font> <font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Victoria</font></font></font></blockquote>
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