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<font size=3>Up here in Beantown, not only is it "franks and
beans", not "wieners and beans", but there are Ball ParkŪ
Franks that you can buy, in your supermarket. They have both an
unnamed size and "bun size franks", which they refer to as
"the perfect size dog".
<a href="http://www.ballparkfranks.com/" eudora="autourl">
http://www.ballparkfranks.com/</a>.<br><br>
According to a St. Paul (Minn.) Pioneer Press article, dated June 16,
2008, Ball ParkŪ Franks are a Sara Lee offering, and in a "wiener
war" with Kraft Foods Inc.'s Oscar Mayer brand. <br><br>
Up here, personally, I can refer to such items as frankfurters, franks,
wieners (although I don't use this frequently), hot dogs, or dogs (also
not frequently) -- and with or without bun. Although at a grill
gathering, I would expect to say "no bun, please" if I wanted
just the frank.<br><br>
Bratwurst is a different dog, as is weisswurst; they contain
veal.<br><br>
Joel<br><br>
At 7/7/2008 12:03 PM, Charles Doyle wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">As a discussant on this list
noted a few weeks ago (perhaps I myself), in at least some varieties of
Southern speech, "hot dog" can refer only to the entire
sandwich--never to the sausage-thing alone. I would call the elongated
meat-like item inside the bun a wiener or weenie, irrespective of its
size or color--never a frankfurter. Only somewhat recently did I learn
the term "brat," and I don't know (even now) what a
"redhot" is!<br><br>
--Charlie<br>
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---- Original message ----<br>
>Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:46:15 -0400<br>
>From: Wilson Gray <hwgray@GMAIL.COM><br>
>Subject: Re: "hot dog" T.A. Dorgan story in St. Louis
Post-Dispatch (UNCLASSIFIED)<br>
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>> In 1901, the name "hot dog" began to overtake
"frankfurter," "red hot," "dachshund,"
"frank" and "wiener."<br>
><br>
>Not quite, among the black Saint Louisans of my youth, for whom
>"frankfurters" and "wienies" were distinct and a
frank(furter) sangwich was distinct from a hot dog, though a
frank(furter) sangwich was no more than a hot dog made with a frankfurter
instead of a wienie.<br>
><br>
>-Wilson<br><br>
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