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<font size=3>Thus "betweens" are not ( [exclusively] (inclusive
or exclusive) ); some are inclusive on one side and exclusive on the
other. <br><br>
Mathematically, each of these various "between" relations --
"X is between Y and Z" -- can be expressed with the
"less/greater than" and "less/greater than or equal"
signs. The act of Congress says "18 <u><</u> age <
25".<br><br>
<br><br>
At 6/4/2013 02:12 PM, Benjamin Barrett wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Here's an article that is
inclusive:
<a href="http://www.samhsa.gov/data/spotlight/Spot077GirlsDepression2012.pdf" eudora="autourl">
http://www.samhsa.gov/data/spotlight/Spot077GirlsDepression2012.pdf</a>
<br>
Here's one that has "between the ages of 40 and 49 years";
surely this is inclusive:
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22528917" eudora="autourl">
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22528917</a><br>
Here's an act of Congress that includes the beginning point but not the
endpoint:
<a href="http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/748/text" eudora="autourl">
http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/748/text</a><br>
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Benjamin Barrett<br>
Seattle, WA<br><br>
On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson@ATT.NET>
wrote:<br><br>
> At 6/4/2013 01:04 PM, Benjamin Barrett wrote:<br>
>> Yes, although we might not agree on the judgments, I think
it's<br>
>> clear that the definition of "between" needs to be
rewritten to<br>
>> allow the possibility of including the endpoints. I would say
that<br>
>> the dollars and patients examples are both inclusive.<br>
> <br>
> I would say the "patients between the age of 40 and
50" example<br>
> excludes those of age 50; that is, it is intended to be a
10-year,<br>
> not 11- or 9-year range. Others may disagree with my
interpretation,<br>
> which is perhaps why so many patients die. In any case, my
"between"<br>
> for this example is different from the previous definitions --
it<br>
> includes one endpoint but not the other.<br>
> <br>
> Joel<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> Benjamin Barrett<br>
>> Seattle, WA<br>
>> <br>
>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 6:58 AM, Dan Goncharoff
<thegonch@GMAIL.COM> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> If you asked me to pick a number between 1 and 10, I would
find that<br>
>>> unclear -- are 1 and 10 possible picks?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> If you asked me to pick a number from 1 to 10, I would know
exactly what<br>
>>> you mean.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> In other contexts, however, I would have to make a judgment
based on<br>
>>> specificity. Your "somewhere between 40 and 50
dollars" is not the same as<br>
>>> "patients between the age of 40 and 50".<br>
>>> <br>
>>> DanG<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Benjamin Barrett<br>
>> <gogaku@ix.netcom.com>wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> The OED says about "between": Of the relation
of a number, quantity,<br>
>>>> degree, or quality to two others above and below it, or
differing from it<br>
>>>> in opposite ways; Intermediate to.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> One of the cites is:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Between five and six miles from the city.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> If I emphasize the words "between,"
"five" and "six" just right, I think I<br>
>>>> can make it not include five or six, but generally
speaking, I don't think<br>
>>>> that's the case.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Wiktionary has the same issue:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> In the position or interval that separates (two things),
or intermediate<br>
>>>> in quantity or degree.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> This works fine for the following sample sentence:<br>
>>>> 1. John stood between Amy and Mary.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> but less well for 2 and very poorly for 3:<br>
>>>> 2. Let's meet between two and three.<br>
>>>> 3. I want to buy one that costs somewhere between forty
and fifty dollars.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> My concern is not merely petty pedantry: I just got
called on this very<br>
>>>> issue by my Japanese client who thought my use of
"between" was<br>
>>>> inappropriate as a translation of Japanese copy which is
inclusive. I<br>
>>>> explained that while the OED agrees with her, I had to
nevertheless<br>
>>>> disagree.<br>
>>>> <br><br>
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