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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">We were told not to point at all. And
at the same time, what is about the first thing a child does to
communicate?<br>
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This is such an interesting topic!<br>
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On 06/03/2013 10:43 AM, Jennifer Brown wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Google
Crazy Horse monument; Wikipedia has some discussion of that
sculpture being designed with Crazy Horse pointing. When I
first saw that design I thought this might surely be an
issue, and it is in some quarters. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
think, from what I’ve read and heard, that Cree and Ojibwe
people have seen the gesture as invasive and possibly as
connoting a play for power.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But
I also recall, as a child of parents of British/ Canadian
background, being told that it was rude to point at people.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Brown<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ALGONQUIANA
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG">mailto:ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>David Lessard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG">ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: pointing, not with finger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
have seen this among the James Bay Cree. I asked why and
they told me it was more efficient when they had their
hands full. I did not investigate further though.<br>
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I have been told that it is an habit in Ecuador too.<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
Envoyé à partir de mon Windows Phone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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: </span></b><span
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Quinn</span><br>
<b><span
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: </span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">2013-03-06
10:29</span><br>
<b><span
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moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG">ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a></span><br>
<b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Objet
: </span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Re:
pointing, not with finger</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dia dhaoibh,
a chairde!<br>
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Definitely had this pointed out to me by Penobscots; not
sure how it may be among the Passamaquoddies, but it rings a
bell there, too. No clue as to why, though pointing with
the lips (= the acceptable and common strategy) is also
common in Australia, I'm told. I might imagine that, other
society/culture/belief-system factors aside, being well
trained not to point with your hands helps in hunting, since
the game-spooking motion is far less salient. But that's
just pure speculation on my part.<br>
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Till later, keep safe and sane.<br>
<br>
Slán,<br>
bhur gcara<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Amy
Dahlstrom <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:a-dahlstrom@uchicago.edu" target="_blank">a-dahlstrom@uchicago.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Algonquianists,<br>
<br>
I'm a discussant at an upcoming conference on gesture, and
one thing I thought I would mention to the (extremely
diverse) audience is the practice among at least some of
the Algonquian peoples of pointing with the lips or with
the chin, rather than pointing with the finger.<br>
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I would like to ask you all how widespread this practice
is. And for native speakers (native pointers? :-) ), do
you have any intuitions about why pointing with the finger
is avoided? Would it seem rude to point with the finger?
Or inappropriate in some other way?<br>
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thanks in advance for any thoughts you can share!<span
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<span class="hoenzb">Amy</span><br>
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P.S. if you hit "reply" remember that you are replying to
the whole list! :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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