<html><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><META name="Author" content="Novell GroupWise WebAccess"></head><body style='font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; '><div>Hello everyone.</div><br><div>By ironic coincidence, at a conference I attended this past weekend, an Elder who presented some teachings to an audience of over 30 people, pointed with his finger 3 or 4 times at various members of the audience, albeit as he was making teasing remarks about the people he was pointing at. The Elder is one who is highly regarded for his traditional knowledge by people in the Lake Huron region and perhaps beyond (by people in other regions of Ontario or across the country).</div><br><div>I didn't overhear any murmurs of how inappropriate some might have felt this action was. (Nishnaabek usually don't hesitate to comment under their breath to a friend if someone does and says something that strikes them as inappropriate in some way.)</div><br><div>Just FYI</div><br><div>MAC<br><br>>>> Anne-Marie Baraby <baraby.anne-marie@UQAM.CA> 03/09/13 4:37 PM >>><br>Hi,<br><div>I asked about what is going on in another native language, berber (tachelhit dialect) spoken in south of Morrocco and I had the following answer that I translate in English: </div><br><div>"In berber culture (south of Morocco), pointing with the finger is impolite and may be perceived as aggressive (above all, when one look at the person in the eyes). What is preferred in that culture is a chin movement toward the person. Sometimes, one also use the hand, but with opened fingers (I mean that the hand has to be opened, not closed). This is an interesting matter probably linked to oral cultures."</div><br><div>Anne-Marie Baraby </div><br><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">Bonjour,</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">Dans la culture berbère (sud du Maroc), pointer avec le doigt est impoli et pourrait être même agressif (surtout lorsqu'on regarde la personne dans les yeux). Ce qui est privilégié dans cette culture, c'est le mouvement du menton en direction de la personne ciblée. Parfois, on utilise aussi la main, mais avec les doigts ouverts (je veux dire ici que la main doit être ouverte, et non pas fermée).</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">Voilà, c'est une thématique intéressante qui est surtout liée aux cultures orales.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "> </span><br><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">Abdallah El Mountasser</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "> </span><br><div><div>Le 2013-03-06 à 08:54, Amy Dahlstrom a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hello Algonquianists,<br><br>I'm a discussant at an upcoming conference on gesture, and one thing I thought I would mention to the (extremely diverse) audience is the practice among at least some of the Algonquian peoples of pointing with the lips or with the chin, rather than pointing with the finger.<br><br>I would like to ask you all how widespread this practice is. And for native speakers (native pointers? :-) ), do you have any intuitions about why pointing with the finger is avoided? Would it seem rude to point with the finger? Or inappropriate in some other way?<br><br>thanks in advance for any thoughts you can share!<br><br>Amy<br><br>P.S. if you hit "reply" remember that you are replying to the whole list! :-)<br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div><p> </p></div></body></html>
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