<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Everything I forwarded her was on this list in November.<div><br><div style=""><div>On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Conor Quinn <<a href="mailto:conor.mcdonoughquinn@MAINE.EDU">conor.mcdonoughquinn@MAINE.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Count me in for wanting to know more on this topic, too!<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Monica Macaulay <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmacaula@wisc.edu" target="_blank">mmacaula@wisc.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I’ll forward the messages I forwarded to Ron Corn (Menominee)… but I think I’ll forward them just to you, Mary Ann, so that the whole list doesn’t have to see them all again. If anyone else wants to see them, though, just let me know.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<br></font></span><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">- Monica</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br><div><br><div><div>On Jan 20, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Mary Ann Corbiere <<a href="mailto:mcorbiere@usudbury.ca" target="_blank">mcorbiere@usudbury.ca</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">Hello Monica et al.</font><div style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div>
<div style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I received the following query last week: "<span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px"> I'm ... from Walpole Island. I am a member of our Language Taskforce and we are running a teacher training program to produce certified language teachers. Some of our students' sponsors and ourselves would like to know if you are aware of a standard tool for measuring the degree of fluency that is available?"</span></div>
<div><font face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div><font face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="3">Did anything ever emerge from the query Monica sent out a while back regarding the same matter as it pertains to another Algonquian language? If so, please let me know so I can give the task force member some hopefully useful leads. I'll also ask the person if he's amenable to me forwarding his note to you.</font></div>
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</font><div style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br><br>>>> Monica Macaulay <<a href="mailto:mmacaula@WISC.EDU" target="_blank">mmacaula@WISC.EDU</a>> 11/14/13 10:20 AM >>><br>Wow, thanks everybody! It will take me some time to work through all the information you've given me, but I can see that it's really going to help. And Mike, it's Ronco who asked me about this!!! I'll remind him that he has yours already. :-)<br>
<div>- Monica<br><div><br><div><div>On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Mary Ann Corbiere <<a href="mailto:mcorbiere@usudbury.ca" target="_blank">mcorbiere@usudbury.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
Aanii Monica,<br><br>The comments by Michael, Conor and Meg are totally in line with my sense of the best approach to take. Adeptness at 'spitting out' various inflections spontaneously and in expressing thoughts in ways that sound entirely 'natural' and not contrived are more meaningful indicators of proficiency. Breadth of vocabulary -- while some basic level is important -- is not as critical for a teacher to have. 'Fluent' speakers would be able to incorporate any term they just learned (e.g. the verb n'giigdin or the noun jiikaan) readily into their speech and if a noun's gender is not readily surmised by them, they would nonetheless deploy inflections in a fashion consistent with what they assume its gender to be -- for example, saying upon learning what a jiikaan is, "Aaniish enaandek niwin jiikaanan?" versus "Aaniish enaazat giwi jiikaanan?" (I notice the occasional mother tongue speaker of Nishnaabemwin who still uses the language much or most of the time making missteps like "Aapji go gii-mnopgodoon giwi bkwezhgaansak" quite regularly.) <br>
<br>Being able to demonstrate grammatical consistency by doing such things as using verbs and inflections that agree with noun gender are the sorts of skills that seem would be the more critical. In this regard, I agree with the comments that conversations and role-playing would serve as good ways of gauging that sort of proficiency.<br>
<br>M. Corbiere<br><br>>>> Monica Macaulay <<a href="mailto:mmacaula@WISC.EDU" target="_blank">mmacaula@WISC.EDU</a>> 11/13/13 11:15 PM >>><br>Good morning,<br><div>I was talking to some of the people who work on Menominee language revitalization last week, and they were talking about how they need some sort of tool for testing the proficiency of their teachers. Since this is way out of my area of expertise, I said I'd ask around. Do any of you know anything about this?</div>
<br><div>It would seem to me that any such tool would have to be specialized to work for Algonquian languages (and more specifically in this case tailored for Menominee). I mean, you would have to know whether or not to test things like conjunct order, right?</div>
<br><div>And one further point: such an evaluation would ideally (I would think) be tied to a curriculum - another thing they're working on. But is it possible to do any kind of testing without that?</div><br><div>Thanks for any leads or hints you can give me.</div>
<br><div>- Monica</div><br>Monica Macaulay<br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word">
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