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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Again, I stand to be corrected, but it doesn't seem as if Micmac would have borrowed the actual form from anywhere - (? it seems to have narrowed its plural for use as its dual
and innovated a new plural from existing lexical/grammatical material ?). It may just have been the model from some other (non-Algonquian) language(s) that triggered its innovation.<br>
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<div id="divRpF740784" style="direction: ltr;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> John Steckley [John.Steckley@humber.ca]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> November 19, 2014 3:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Danielle E. Cyr<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Wolvengrey, Arok; ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Re[2]: [Algonquiana] Prehistoric Language contact ?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">I don't know what I was thinking (it's late in the day and I have been in my office for most of it). The dual also appears in the patient. Both as agent
and patient it usually takes a -yi-, with some changes caused by the sounds that appear before it. In terms of the structure of the pronominal prefix, it comes at the end.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> November 19, 2014 4:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Steckley<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Wolvengrey, Arok; ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re[2]: [Algonquiana] Prehistoric Language contact ?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Thanks for your quick reply. Researching phonetic similarities would be a great start. I was rather thinking of lexical borrowings but your insight widens my interest !</span></p>
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<b>From</b>: John Steckley <John.Steckley@humber.ca><br>
<b>To</b>: "Wolvengrey, Arok" <awolvengrey@firstnationsuniversity.ca>, "Danielle E. Cyr" <dcyr@yorku.ca>, "ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG" <ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Wed, Nov 19, 2014, 4:29 PM<br>
<b>Subject</b>: RE: [Algonquiana] Prehistoric Language contact ?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Danielle/Arok:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Wendat has a well-developed system of dual pronominal prefixes as agents (but not patients). Presumably St. Lawrence Iroquoian did as well. It
would be interesting to see whether some phonetic similarities appear between Mi'kmaq/Maliseet dual forms and those that Wendat has.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Algonquiana [mailto:algonquiana-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wolvengrey, Arok<br>
<b>Sent:</b> November 19, 2014 4:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Danielle E. Cyr; ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:black">I'm not aware of anything actually written with regard to this, but there was some brief discussion at the recent Algonquian conference (or was it online???)
about the possible source or model for the introduction of the dual as a category in Micmac (and Maliseet?). Inuktitut could be one source, but Iroquoian was perhaps (?) favoured suggesting some contact in the (lower? south eastern?) Great Lakes area. Others
far more knowledgeable about the Eastern languages, please feel free to shoot these thoughts down as required.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:black">Regina, SK S4S 7K2</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:black">phone: (306) 790-5950 ext. 3310</span></p>
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on behalf of Danielle E. Cyr [dcyr@yorku.ca]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> November 19, 2014 3:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ALGONQUIANA@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Algonquiana] Prehistoric Language contact ?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">DENNY, Peter J. 2003. Early Signs of Eastern Algonquians.
<i>Essays in Algonquian, Catawban and Siouan Linguistics in Memory of Frank T. Siebert Jr.</i> Blair A. Rudes and David J. Costa. Winnipeg: Algonquian and Iroquoian Linguistics, Memoir 16, p. 15-36.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:black">does anyone know about literature discussing prehistoric language contacts between Proto Eastern Algonquian and other older languages ?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:black">Thanks in advance,</span></p>
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