<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear Guillaume,<div><br></div><div>In Naskapi (northern Quebec) the âta- is realized as âti-, and is in a class of "modal" preverbs that can also occur outside the preverb string (discontinuous to the verb) but commonly occur just after the tense marking preverb (and before the verb), as you have in your Cree text.</div><div><br></div><div>But it is not unusual to find such forms outside the verbal complex, even with other words intervening between âti and the verbal complex.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill Jancewicz</div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 20, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Guillaume Jacques wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Dear Arok and Kees,<div><br></div><div>Thank you so much for your input; in most of Kees' examples, âta appears as the first element of the verbal complex, before the personal prefixes and the e=, but in his first example, âta appears between e and the verb stem; my knowledge of Cree is really minimal, so would something like (1) be a correct analysis for the first verb? </div><div>(1) e=âta=macitwâ-yek</div><div> conjunct=concessive=act_in_an_evil_way(VAI)-2pl(conjunct_order)</div><div><br></div><div>If this is the case, the same text attests examples of both e=âta=V and âta=e=V.</div><div><br></div><div>Guillaume</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-10-19 20:58 GMT+02:00 Wolvengrey, Arok <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:awolvengrey@firstnationsuniversity.ca" target="_blank">awolvengrey@firstnationsuniversity.ca</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="direction:ltr;font-family:Tahoma;color:#000000;font-size:10pt">I have no evidence of ata-, though âta- (with the long vowel and thus the same as the free concessive) has been recorded. I suspect, however, that this may have come from <an>
instance<s> of intrusive material occurring within the preverb string, such that this might be a fairly rare occurrence. Sorry I can't at this time comment further on whether there is any real difference between the two.<br>
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<div style="direction:ltr"><font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Algonquiana [<a href="mailto:algonquiana-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">algonquiana-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>] on behalf of Guillaume Jacques [<a href="mailto:rgyalrongskad@gmail.com" target="_blank">rgyalrongskad@gmail.com</a>]<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Algonquiana] ata- and âta 'although' in Cree<br>
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<div>I am looking for information on the use of the subordinator concessive prefix
<i>ata</i>- in Cree (derived from <i>âta </i>'although'). I tried to find examples in several text collections by Ahenakew and Wolfart, but could only find examples of the free word <i>âta</i>. If any of you has references on the use of this prefix (in particular,
the difference with the free word), and examples sentences from any variety of Cree, I would be very grateful.<br clear="all">
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">Guillaume Jacques<br>CNRS (CRLAO) - INALCO<br><a href="http://cnrs.academia.edu/GuillaumeJacques" target="_blank">http://cnrs.academia.edu/GuillaumeJacques</a><br><div><a href="http://himalco.hypotheses.org/" target="_blank">http://himalco.hypotheses.org/</a></div><div><a href="http://panchr.hypotheses.org/" target="_blank">http://panchr.hypotheses.org/</a></div></div>
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