[An-lang] Suppletive forms of 1sg+2sg personal pronoun clusters

[Paz B. Naylor]

>>From what I learned ages ago from sources I can no longer recall, KITA is
the old DUAL - a remnant of the old pronominal number system; i.e., it
wasn't always simply singular vs. plural.  (Most linguists would have heard
of systems that even have - or had- a TRIAL form.) Given that Tagalog (and
Cebuano and I don't know what other CP languages) make a formal distinction
between 1rst-person INCLUSIVE vs. EXCLUSIVE plural, the notion of the
existence of an earlier DUAL form would not be far-fetched.

Regards, Paz

Paz Buenaventura Naylor, Ph.D.
Emeritus Professor, Asian Languages and Cultures
              Program Associate, Linguistics
Faculty Associate, Center for Southeast Asian Studies
The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor MI 48109
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----- Original Message -----
From: "TSUKIDA Naomi" <tsukida at for.aichi-pu.ac.jp>
To: "Loren A.Billings" <billings at ncnu.edu.tw>; <an-lang at anu.edu.au>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [An-lang] Suppletive forms of 1sg+2sg personal pronoun clusters


> Dear Loren A. Billings,
>
> In Seediq, which is one of the Atayalic,
> 1SgGen+2SgNom is =misu.
>
> 1SgGen+2PlNom is =maku.
> 2SgGen+1SgNom is =saku.
>
> In isolation, the clitics concerned appear as below.
>
> 1SgNom: =ku
> 2SgNom: =su
> 2PlNom: =namu
>
> 1SgGen: =mu
> 2SgGen: =su
>
> The above description is based on the Teruku dialect.
>
> I wrote about this phenomenon among others in the book on
> Austronesian typology which will be published from
> Routledge/Curzon.
>
> Naomi Tsukida
>
> --
> Faculty of Foreign Studies
> Aichi Prefectural University
> Nagakute, Aichi, 480-1198, Japan
>
> Phone: +81-561-64-1111 (ext. 2613)
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> email: tsukida at for.aichi-pu.ac.jp
>
>
> > I've been investigating how clusters of bound (or clitic) personal
pronouns
> > are ordered in Central Philippine (CP) languages (as defined, for
example,
> > on <Ethnologue.com>). As is relatively well known to people working on
these
> > languages, the combination of 1SgGen and 2SgNom pronouns results in
> > replacement of one or both of the expected forms. For example, in
Tagalog
> > the 1SgGen form is _ko_ and the 2SgNom form is _ka_; together in the
same
> > clause, however, we don't get *_ko ka_ or *ka ko_ but rather _kita_
> > (discussed in detail by Schachter's 1973 paper in _Parangal kay Cecilio
> > Lopez). For those of you in the know, Tagalog _kita_ is an aberration
from
> > other CP languages, but I won't discuss those details here. (Zorc's 1975
> > Cornell dissertation, p. 90, lists examples from several Bisayan
languages.)
> > This phenomenon, to my knowledge, exists in every CP language which has
> > pronoun clusters--namely: Bikol, Bisayan, Mansakan, and Mamanwa. I use
the
> > adjectives _Bisayan_ and _Mansakan_ (and even _Central Philippine_) here
> > descriptively, without intending to endorse any particular phylogenic
brand.
> >
> > Recently, I attended a workshop on Formosan languages, where I met
Lillian
> > Huang. She (and others) pointed out some similar facts about Mayrinax
and
> > another Atayalic language. In these languages, the morphological cases
are
> > switched (compared to CP). There is a special suppletive form for 1SgNom
and
> > 2SgGen. Two grammars I've found so far in this regard are Huang's _A
study
> > of Mayrinax syntax_ (1995) and Rau's _A grammar of Atayal_ (1992).
> >
> > My query is this:
> > Does anyone know the extent of this 1SgGen+2SgNom suppletion in
Philippine
> > languages (i.e., within or beyond CP)? Likewise, an anyone tell me about
the
> > similar 1SgNom+2SgGen phenomenon in Atayalic (and beyond)? I am most
> > interested in comparative works, discussing groups of languages in this
> > regard. However, mention of such phenomena in descriptions of individual
> > languages may be the only thing to work with at this point. I'm also
> > interested in unpublished knowledge you may have.
> >
> > P.S.: I have just re-subscribed to the list, so if there was any chatter
> > about this in the past, please humor me with a reference to the
archives.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Loren A. Billings, Ph.D.
> > Associate professor of linguistics
> > Department of Foreign Languages and Literature
> > National Chi Nan University
> > Puli, Nantou, Taiwan 545 Republic of China
> >
> > E-mail: billings at ncnu.edu.tw
> >
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