nanguy 'pig' in Akit

Fri Jun 4 13:04:04 UTC 2010

Pigs can certainly swim, even if they can't fly (yet).

A few years ago, I wrote a web page "If Pigs Could Swim..." http://www.coconutstudio.com/Pigs.htm
which is falling apart after 6 years of neglect.

Large migrations of swimming wild pigs are known between the Sulu Islands and Borneo, and I would expect something similar in the Malacca Straits.

A couple of questions suggest themselves:
- Do the Akit keep and revere domestic pigs (until they are ready to eat) or do they only hunt passing wild boar?
- Do they have social pig roasts?
The keepers of my own soon-to-be pig roast take it out for a regular swim

regards
Richard Parker

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  1. nanguy 'pig' in Akit (Karl & Kristen Anderbeck)
  2. Re: nanguy 'pig' in Akit (Sarah Lee)
  3. Re: nanguy 'pig' in Akit (David Gil)
  4. Re: nanguy 'pig' in Akit (Sarah Lee)

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From: "Karl & Kristen Anderbeck" <anderbeck at gmail.com>
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Greetings,

I'm taking a look at a book on the (Malayic) Akit speech variety (Rupat
Island, Riau Coast, Sumatra, Indonesia).  Although it is a fairly
straightforward Malay variety, not too weird lexically, phonologically or
morphologically, one word really threw me: nanguy 'pig'.  PMP *nanguy 'swim'
comes immediately to mind (cf. also PMP *babuy 'pig').  Now Malayic
innovated all PMP -*uy diphthongs to i, e.g. babi 'pig', etc.  

I do not see any phonological innovations in Akit which could have produced
such a diphthong, but neither can I imagine a semantic path from a possibly
pre-Malayic, substratal nanguy 'swim' to 'pig'.  

All that comes to me is Flo in the 70's sitcom Mel, saying, "When pigs fly!"

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Karl Anderbeck

National University of Malaysia 

Reference: Umar, Said Mahmud, T. Nontel, Pang Cik, Burhan Yunus. 1991.
Struktur Bahasa Akit. Jakarta: Pusat Bahasa.  

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 23:27:19 +0800
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Subject: Re: [An-lang] nanguy 'pig' in Akit
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Hi

In colloquial Malay (in Malaysia at least), 'babi nangui' is a 'wild boar'.  It is also be used metaphorically as a derogatory term. I am not sure where 'nangui' comes from though.

Regards
Sarah

Sarah Lee
Dept of Linguistics
Rice University
Houston Texas

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  Greetings,

  I'm taking a look at a book on the (Malayic) Akit speech variety (Rupat Island, Riau Coast, Sumatra, Indonesia).  Although it is a fairly straightforward Malay variety, not too weird lexically, phonologically or morphologically, one word really threw me: nanguy 'pig'.  PMP *nanguy 'swim' comes immediately to mind (cf. also PMP *babuy 'pig').  Now Malayic innovated all PMP -*uy diphthongs to i, e.g. babi 'pig', etc.  

  I do not see any phonological innovations in Akit which could have produced such a diphthong, but neither can I imagine a semantic path from a possibly pre-Malayic, substratal nanguy 'swim' to 'pig'.  

  All that comes to me is Flo in the 70's sitcom Mel, saying, "When pigs fly!"

  Any ideas?

  Thanks,

  Karl Anderbeck

  National University of Malaysia 

  Reference: Umar, Said Mahmud, T. Nontel, Pang Cik, Burhan Yunus. 1991. Struktur Bahasa Akit. Jakarta: Pusat Bahasa.  

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:38:36 +0700
From: David Gil <gil at eva.mpg.de>
Subject: Re: [An-lang] nanguy 'pig' in Akit
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Karl,

No ideas to offer; just a note that I observed a nearly identical form 
in the Melayu Orang Asli from nearby Pulau Bengkalis, Pulau Padang and 
mainland Sumatra opposite these two islands. (I recorded it as /nangoy/ 
rather than /nanguy,/ but I couldn't guarantee that's a real difference 
rather than different ears hearing the same form.) I searched for 
possible cognates in Aslian and Andaman Island languages but didn't come 
up with anything; maybe somebody else might ...

Best,

David

> Greetings,
>
> I?m taking a look at a book on the (Malayic) Akit speech variety 
> (Rupat Island, Riau Coast, Sumatra, Indonesia). Although it is a 
> fairly straightforward Malay variety, not too weird lexically, 
> phonologically or morphologically, one word really threw me: /nanguy/ 
> ?pig?. PMP */nanguy/ ?swim? comes immediately to mind (cf. also PMP 
> */babuy/ ?pig?). Now Malayic innovated all PMP -*/uy/ diphthongs to 
> /i/, e.g. /babi/ ?pig?, etc.
>
> I do not see any phonological innovations in Akit which could have 
> produced such a diphthong, but neither can I imagine a semantic path 
> from a possibly pre-Malayic, substratal /nanguy/ ?swim? to ?pig?.
>
> All that comes to me is Flo in the 70?s sitcom Mel, saying, ?When pigs 
> fly!?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Karl Anderbeck
>
> National University of Malaysia
>
> Reference: Umar, Said Mahmud, T. Nontel, Pang Cik, Burhan Yunus. 1991. 
> /Struktur Bahasa Akit/. Jakarta: Pusat Bahasa.
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 23:49:26 +0800
From: "Sarah Lee" <sarah at linguiss.com>
Subject: Re: [An-lang] nanguy 'pig' in Akit
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One more note. I think 'babi nangui' has to be one of those bearded ones you find in the region, i.e., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearded_Pig 

Regards
Sarah

Sarah Lee
Dept of Linguistics
Rice University
Houston Texas

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    From: Karl & Kristen Anderbeck 
    To: an-lang at anu.edu.au 
    Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:16 PM
    Subject: [An-lang] nanguy 'pig' in Akit

    Greetings,

    I'm taking a look at a book on the (Malayic) Akit speech variety (Rupat Island, Riau Coast, Sumatra, Indonesia).  Although it is a fairly straightforward Malay variety, not too weird lexically, phonologically or morphologically, one word really threw me: nanguy 'pig'.  PMP *nanguy 'swim' comes immediately to mind (cf. also PMP *babuy 'pig').  Now Malayic innovated all PMP -*uy diphthongs to i, e.g. babi 'pig', etc.  

    I do not see any phonological innovations in Akit which could have produced such a diphthong, but neither can I imagine a semantic path from a possibly pre-Malayic, substratal nanguy 'swim' to 'pig'.  

    All that comes to me is Flo in the 70's sitcom Mel, saying, "When pigs fly!"

    Any ideas?

    Thanks,

    Karl Anderbeck

    National University of Malaysia 

    Reference: Umar, Said Mahmud, T. Nontel, Pang Cik, Burhan Yunus. 1991. Struktur Bahasa Akit. Jakarta: Pusat Bahasa.  

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