[An-lang] Etymology of Tagalog "hilaga"

[Adrian Clynes]

The same article by Moulton lists Utara as 'northeast' in Brunei Malay.

On 13 Mar 2017 11:55 AM, "Adrian Clynes" <aclynes at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brunei Malay has/had iraga 'north' Moulton 1921 'Points of the compass in
> Brunei Malay', Journal of the Straits Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society
> 83:75
>
> On 11 Mar 2017 1:28 AM, "David Gil" <gil at shh.mpg.de> wrote:
>
> The online Malay dictionary at http://melayuonline.com/ind/di
> ctionary/detail/12/I/40 glosses "iraga" as
>
> mata angin antara utara dengan utara timur laut
>
> which translates as "cardinal point between north and northeast".
>
> The Malay orthography is not a reliable indicator of whether the word has
> a final glottal, and a few random people I asked today had never heard of
> the word.
>
> For what it's worth, the phonotactics of the word is rather odd from a
> Malay perspective, as most Malay words are disyllabic, and if they do have
> an antepenult, it usually contains whatever the "neutral" vowel is in the
> respective dialect happens to be — which is never a high [i].
>
>
>
> On 10/03/2017 15:16, Laurie Reid wrote:
>
> The form actually has a final glottal stop, hilagà, which suggests it may
> be a borrowing from Malay *iraga *'north wind' as noted by Antonio
> Pigafetta (note John Wolff's paper on Malay borrowings in Tagalog).
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Robert Blust <blust at hawaii.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm not sure where Bill Davis got the idea that "Malaysian and Indonesian
>> have *hilaga".  *The normal word for 'north' in Malay/Indonesian is
>> *utara*, a Sanskrit loan, and *hilaga* does not appear in any dictionary
>> of the language that I have seen.  The* hilaga* form appears rather to
>> be confined to Tagalog and a small number of languages in the Philippines
>> that may have borrowed from it.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bob Blust
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Bill Davis <bill_davis at ntm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure, but I know that SW Palawano (PLV) has *iraga?* and Malaysian
>>> and Indonesian have *hilaga*. I have heard that cardinal directions
>>> came into Austronesian from other sources. Before that names of seasonal
>>> winds, up/down river, mountainward/seaward, etc., were all.
>>>
>>> -Bill
>>>
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>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Does anyone happen to have any insight on the etymology of Tagalog
>>> *hilaga *'north'?
>>> I've consulted the ABVD, ACD, and Wolff (2010), but was not very
>>> successful
>>> in finding an answer.
>>>
>>> I see that the word for "north" in a number of Philippine are reflexes of
>>> PAn *qamiS, though the Tagalog reflex, *amihan*, refers to the north or
>>> northeast wind.
>>>
>>> I also see that Antonio Pigafetta noted that the word *iraga *'north
>>> wind' in his Malay word list.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Chris Sundita
>>> http://conf.ling.cornell.edu/csundita
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