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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Given that papa is used for father in a huge number of languages around the world - just as mama is for mother - isn't it far more likely that we are not dealing with a word of Polynesian origin but basically some human baby talk phenomenon ... since p/b, m, d (dada) and a are usually among the very first sounds acquired?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Pila Wilson [<A HREF="mailto:pila_w@leoki.uhh.hawaii.edu">mailto:pila_w@leoki.uhh.hawaii.edu</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2003 2:04 p.m.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: David Gunn</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: "<A HREF="mailto:dagunn">mailto:dagunn</A>"@uophx.edu; An-lang@anu.edu.au</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: [An-lang] papa</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>In Hawaiian, papa has to do with flatness and in Hawaiian geneologies is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the name of the woman who gave birth to many of the Hawaiian islands. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Papa with two long "a"s is from English and is a term for Dad, but not the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>word for father. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>wahi a "David Gunn" <dagunn@email.uophx.edu>:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Hello - I'm interested in the word "papa". I read recently that this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>word means "father" in Maori and Moriori. I know "papa" means rock or a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>board in some Polynesian languages. I just want to know how far the word</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>"papa" is used throughout Polynesia in the sense of "father" or having</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>something to do with geneology. I also want to know if the word is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>definitley of Polynesian origin as opposed to being a European loan word. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>If you'd like to answer straight to my email, you can reply to [</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>><A HREF="mailto:dagunn@uophx.edu">mailto:dagunn@uophx.edu</A> ]<A HREF="mailto:dagunn@uophx.edu">mailto:dagunn@uophx.edu</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Thanks!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
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