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<DIV>A few years ago, I wrote a web page "<B><FONT color=#000080 size=6><FONT size=2>If Pigs Could Swim..." </FONT></FONT></B><A href="http://www.coconutstudio.com/Pigs.htm">http://www.coconutstudio.com/Pigs.htm</A><BR>which is falling apart after 6 years of neglect.</DIV>
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<DIV>Large migrations of swimming wild pigs are known between the Sulu Islands and Borneo, and I would expect something similar in the Malacca Straits.</DIV>
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<DIV>A couple of questions suggest themselves:</DIV>
<DIV>- Do the Akit keep and revere domestic pigs (until they are ready to eat) or do they only hunt passing wild boar?</DIV>
<DIV>- Do they have social pig roasts?</DIV>
<DIV>The keepers of my own soon-to-be pig roast take it out for a regular swim</DIV>
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<DIV>regards</DIV>
<DIV>Richard Parker</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "an-lang-request@anu.edu.au" <an-lang-request@anu.edu.au><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> an-lang@anu.edu.au<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thu, 3 June, 2010 18:49:36<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> An-lang Digest, Vol 84, Issue 6<BR></FONT><BR>Send An-lang mailing list submissions to<BR> <A href="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au">an-lang@anu.edu.au</A><BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR> <A href="http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/an-lang" target=_blank>http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/an-lang</A><BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR> <A href="mailto:an-lang-request@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:an-lang-request@anu.edu.au">an-lang-request@anu.edu.au</A><BR><BR>You can
reach the person managing the list at<BR> <A href="mailto:an-lang-owner@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:an-lang-owner@anu.edu.au">an-lang-owner@anu.edu.au</A><BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of An-lang digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. nanguy 'pig' in Akit (Karl & Kristen Anderbeck)<BR> 2. Re: nanguy 'pig' in Akit (Sarah Lee)<BR> 3. Re: nanguy 'pig' in Akit (David Gil)<BR> 4. Re: nanguy 'pig' in Akit (Sarah Lee)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:16:58 +0800<BR>From: "Karl & Kristen Anderbeck" <<A href="mailto:anderbeck@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:anderbeck@gmail.com">anderbeck@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: [An-lang] nanguy 'pig' in Akit<BR>To: <<A href="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au"
ymailto="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au">an-lang@anu.edu.au</A>><BR>Message-ID: <000801cb0327$6f621d60$4e265820$@com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Greetings,<BR><BR><BR><BR>I'm taking a look at a book on the (Malayic) Akit speech variety (Rupat<BR>Island, Riau Coast, Sumatra, Indonesia). Although it is a fairly<BR>straightforward Malay variety, not too weird lexically, phonologically or<BR>morphologically, one word really threw me: nanguy 'pig'. PMP *nanguy 'swim'<BR>comes immediately to mind (cf. also PMP *babuy 'pig'). Now Malayic<BR>innovated all PMP -*uy diphthongs to i, e.g. babi 'pig', etc. <BR><BR><BR><BR>I do not see any phonological innovations in Akit which could have produced<BR>such a diphthong, but neither can I imagine a semantic path from a possibly<BR>pre-Malayic, substratal nanguy 'swim' to 'pig'. <BR><BR><BR><BR>All that comes to me is Flo in the 70's sitcom Mel, saying, "When
pigs fly!"<BR><BR><BR><BR>Any ideas?<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Karl Anderbeck<BR><BR>National University of Malaysia <BR><BR><BR><BR>Reference: Umar, Said Mahmud, T. Nontel, Pang Cik, Burhan Yunus. 1991.<BR>Struktur Bahasa Akit. Jakarta: Pusat Bahasa. <BR><BR><BR><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <A href="http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/private/an-lang/attachments/20100603/271905eb/attachment-0001.html" target=_blank>http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/private/an-lang/attachments/20100603/271905eb/attachment-0001.html</A> <BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 23:27:19 +0800<BR>From: "Sarah Lee" <<A href="mailto:sarah@linguiss.com" ymailto="mailto:sarah@linguiss.com">sarah@linguiss.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [An-lang] nanguy 'pig' in Akit<BR>To: <<A href="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au"
ymailto="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au">an-lang@anu.edu.au</A>><BR>Message-ID: <D6C5CB0D56A94832883FCF264986580B@SarahPC><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>Hi<BR><BR>In colloquial Malay (in Malaysia at least), 'babi nangui' is a 'wild boar'. It is also be used metaphorically as a derogatory term. I am not sure where 'nangui' comes from though.<BR><BR><BR>Regards<BR>Sarah<BR><BR>Sarah Lee<BR>Dept of Linguistics<BR>Rice University<BR>Houston Texas<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR> From: Karl & Kristen Anderbeck <BR> To: <A href="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au">an-lang@anu.edu.au</A> <BR> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:16 PM<BR> Subject: [An-lang] nanguy 'pig' in Akit<BR><BR><BR> Greetings,<BR><BR> <BR><BR> I'm taking a look at a book on the (Malayic) Akit speech variety (Rupat Island, Riau Coast, Sumatra, Indonesia).
Although it is a fairly straightforward Malay variety, not too weird lexically, phonologically or morphologically, one word really threw me: nanguy 'pig'. PMP *nanguy 'swim' comes immediately to mind (cf. also PMP *babuy 'pig'). Now Malayic innovated all PMP -*uy diphthongs to i, e.g. babi 'pig', etc. <BR><BR> <BR><BR> I do not see any phonological innovations in Akit which could have produced such a diphthong, but neither can I imagine a semantic path from a possibly pre-Malayic, substratal nanguy 'swim' to 'pig'. <BR><BR> <BR><BR> All that comes to me is Flo in the 70's sitcom Mel, saying, "When pigs fly!"<BR><BR> <BR><BR> Any ideas?<BR><BR> <BR><BR> Thanks,<BR><BR> Karl Anderbeck<BR><BR> National University of Malaysia <BR><BR> <BR><BR> Reference: Umar, Said Mahmud, T. Nontel, Pang Cik, Burhan Yunus. 1991. Struktur Bahasa Akit. Jakarta: Pusat Bahasa.
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ymailto="mailto:gil@eva.mpg.de">gil@eva.mpg.de</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [An-lang] nanguy 'pig' in Akit<BR>To: Karl & Kristen Anderbeck <<A href="mailto:anderbeck@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:anderbeck@gmail.com">anderbeck@gmail.com</A>><BR>Cc: <A href="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au">an-lang@anu.edu.au</A><BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:4C07CC7C.8060106@eva.mpg.de" ymailto="mailto:4C07CC7C.8060106@eva.mpg.de">4C07CC7C.8060106@eva.mpg.de</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed<BR><BR>Karl,<BR><BR>No ideas to offer; just a note that I observed a nearly identical form <BR>in the Melayu Orang Asli from nearby Pulau Bengkalis, Pulau Padang and <BR>mainland Sumatra opposite these two islands. (I recorded it as /nangoy/ <BR>rather than /nanguy,/ but I couldn't guarantee that's a real difference <BR>rather than different ears hearing the same form.) I searched for <BR>possible cognates
in Aslian and Andaman Island languages but didn't come <BR>up with anything; maybe somebody else might ...<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>David<BR><BR>> Greetings,<BR>><BR>> I?m taking a look at a book on the (Malayic) Akit speech variety <BR>> (Rupat Island, Riau Coast, Sumatra, Indonesia). Although it is a <BR>> fairly straightforward Malay variety, not too weird lexically, <BR>> phonologically or morphologically, one word really threw me: /nanguy/ <BR>> ?pig?. PMP */nanguy/ ?swim? comes immediately to mind (cf. also PMP <BR>> */babuy/ ?pig?). Now Malayic innovated all PMP -*/uy/ diphthongs to <BR>> /i/, e.g. /babi/ ?pig?, etc.<BR>><BR>> I do not see any phonological innovations in Akit which could have <BR>> produced such a diphthong, but neither can I imagine a semantic path <BR>> from a possibly pre-Malayic, substratal /nanguy/ ?swim? to ?pig?.<BR>><BR>> All that comes to me is Flo in the 70?s sitcom Mel, saying,
?When pigs <BR>> fly!?<BR>><BR>> Any ideas?<BR>><BR>> Thanks,<BR>><BR>> Karl Anderbeck<BR>><BR>> National University of Malaysia<BR>><BR>> Reference: Umar, Said Mahmud, T. Nontel, Pang Cik, Burhan Yunus. 1991. <BR>> /Struktur Bahasa Akit/. Jakarta: Pusat Bahasa.<BR>><BR>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> An-lang mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:An-lang@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:An-lang@anu.edu.au">An-lang@anu.edu.au</A><BR>> <A href="http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/an-lang" target=_blank>http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/an-lang</A><BR>> <BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>David Gil<BR><BR>Department of Linguistics<BR>Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology<BR>Deutscher Platz 6, D-04103 Leipzig, Germany<BR><BR>Telephone: 49-341-3550321 Fax: 49-341-3550119<BR>Email: <A
href="mailto:gil@eva.mpg.de" ymailto="mailto:gil@eva.mpg.de">gil@eva.mpg.de</A><BR>Webpage: <A href="http://www.eva.mpg.de/~gil/" target=_blank>http://www.eva.mpg.de/~gil/</A><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 23:49:26 +0800<BR>From: "Sarah Lee" <<A href="mailto:sarah@linguiss.com" ymailto="mailto:sarah@linguiss.com">sarah@linguiss.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [An-lang] nanguy 'pig' in Akit<BR>To: <<A href="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au">an-lang@anu.edu.au</A>><BR>Message-ID: <597C2B6C394542128140628C7930CCA9@SarahPC><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>One more note. I think 'babi nangui' has to be one of those bearded ones you find in the region, i.e., <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearded_Pig" target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearded_Pig</A> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Regards<BR>Sarah<BR><BR>Sarah
Lee<BR>Dept of Linguistics<BR>Rice University<BR>Houston Texas<BR><BR><BR><BR> ----- Original Message ----- <BR> From: Karl & Kristen Anderbeck <BR> To: <A href="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au">an-lang@anu.edu.au</A> <BR> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:16 PM<BR> Subject: [An-lang] nanguy 'pig' in Akit<BR><BR><BR> Greetings,<BR><BR> <BR><BR> I'm taking a look at a book on the (Malayic) Akit speech variety (Rupat Island, Riau Coast, Sumatra, Indonesia). Although it is a fairly straightforward Malay variety, not too weird lexically, phonologically or morphologically, one word really threw me: nanguy 'pig'. PMP *nanguy 'swim' comes immediately to mind (cf. also PMP *babuy 'pig'). Now Malayic innovated all PMP -*uy diphthongs to i, e.g. babi 'pig', etc. <BR><BR> <BR><BR> I do
not see any phonological innovations in Akit which could have produced such a diphthong, but neither can I imagine a semantic path from a possibly pre-Malayic, substratal nanguy 'swim' to 'pig'. <BR><BR> <BR><BR> All that comes to me is Flo in the 70's sitcom Mel, saying, "When pigs fly!"<BR><BR> <BR><BR> Any ideas?<BR><BR> <BR><BR> Thanks,<BR><BR> Karl Anderbeck<BR><BR> National University of Malaysia <BR><BR> <BR><BR> Reference: Umar, Said Mahmud, T. Nontel, Pang Cik, Burhan Yunus. 1991. Struktur Bahasa Akit. Jakarta: Pusat Bahasa. <BR><BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR><BR> _______________________________________________<BR> An-lang mailing list<BR> <A href="mailto:An-lang@anu.edu.au"
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