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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">When I lived in Honolulu, which has a large Samoan community, I made a very similar observation, with a small difference: I often heard a rearticulated short vowel (aa) instead of one long vowel (a:). This is most conspicuous in slow, careful speech, but not limited to it. The stress is consistenly on the penult, as you point out. In fact, I made a similar observation about Hawaiian--that, for exmple, the location of the main campus of the University of Hawai'i, Manoa, is pronounced (maa'noa) and definitely not ('ma:noa). Since there is no glottal stop between the two short vowels they can coalesce phonetically to one long vowel (which in rapid connected speech can even shorten<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>), but the stress is always on the penult. Systemically this analysis makes sense, because it would mean that all Hawaiian vowels may occur
adjacent to each other, including like vowels. Eliminating the alleged constraint against adjacent like vowels would make the phonology more economical.</SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Best,</SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Uri</SPAN></div>
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ymailto="mailto:csundita@u.washington.edu">csundita@u.washington.edu</A>><BR>Subject: [An-lang] Pronunciation of "Samoa"<BR>To: <A href="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au">an-lang@anu.edu.au</A><BR>Message-ID:<BR> <CAAcA2aLFO_yixdJebbti6ESHn5z2==HcjpsXVc+<A href="mailto:m0n77GW5B_Q@mail.gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:m0n77GW5B_Q@mail.gmail.com">m0n77GW5B_Q@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>I was looking at the Wikipedia article on Samoan (<BR>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoan_language ) and I disagreed with<BR>how the Samoan pronunciation of the name of the language was<BR>represented in IPA, ['sa:moa]. Saying it out loud makes me think of a<BR>Finnish word :-)<BR><BR>Listening to Samoans say it (in English) over the years, it seems like<BR>that the primary stress falls on the penult while the lengthened first<BR>syllable bears secondary stress. I'd render it
in IPA as [,sa:'moa].<BR><BR>I'm not sure. But I'm interested in knowing what those of you familiar<BR>with Samoan phonology think...<BR><BR>Thanks / Fa'afetai!<BR><BR>--Chris Sundita<BR>Seattle<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>An-lang mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:An-lang@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:An-lang@anu.edu.au">An-lang@anu.edu.au</A><BR><A href="http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/an-lang" target=_blank>http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/an-lang</A><BR><BR><BR>End of An-lang Digest, Vol 105, Issue 2<BR>***************************************<BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></div></body></html>