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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">I know the forms are still there. <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">But</span> I’m curious. <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">F</span>orgive me for asking<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">,</span> but
around May or June 2021 if I’m not mistaken, Bob himself removed
access through “Index to sets” and “Cognate sets” to 8 out of
the 11 PAN forms with *ñ which had been in his ACD since<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"> </span>at least
2015. I was puzzled by this move, as the phoneme was still in
the list of phonemes, and the forms were still there in the ACD, just
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">not</span> accessible <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">except </span>through the finderlist<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">. </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"></span>Lack of *ñ in
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">the phoneme list in </span>the new version<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">, which you told me is an error,</span> is in the continuity of Bob’s earlier move: it
removes <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">direct </span>access to the three remaining PAN words with *ñ. <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Best,<br></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Laurent</span><br></p>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le sam. 18 mars 2023 à 08:26, Alex Smith <<a href="mailto:smith.alexander.david@gmail.com" target="_blank">smith.alexander.david@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">The lack on ny is an error. The forms are still there in the ACD, just the header is missing. Thanks for pointing it out.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 3:15 PM Laurent Sagart <<a href="mailto:laurent.sagart@gmail.com" target="_blank">laurent.sagart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Hello, colleagues.</div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">I notice that in the new presentation of the ACD, *ñ has disappeared from
the list of phonemes at the top of the “Cognatesets” page. This is a matter close to my heart since Blust has argued that my emendation of *j [gʲ] to a palatal nasal clashed with PAN *ñ. Alex, can
you provide any background ? is this on Blust’s instructions ? did
he say why ?</p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Other than that, I second Yuko Kitada's suggestions.</p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Best regards,</p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Laurent<br></p>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le sam. 18 mars 2023 à 05:35, Yuko Kitada <<a href="mailto:yuyumalaysia@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">yuyumalaysia@hotmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<div>Thank you very much for your reply, Alex. It is good to preserve the original version of the ACD by Blust.</div>
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<div>As an avid user of the ACD, it would be more beneficial if you could do the following actions in the future:</div>
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<div>1) Differentiate Blust's and your reconstructions by noting Blust's forms if you and his reconstructed items and their meanings differ. This is what Blust himself did for Dempwolff's reconstructed items, as observed here: <a href="https://www.trussel2.com/ACD/acd-s_g.htm#30961" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.trussel2.com/ACD/acd-s_g.htm#30961</a></div>
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<div>2) Make an update log, which is easily accessible and readable as the original one. (<a href="https://www.trussel2.com/ACD/acd-updatelog.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.trussel2.com/ACD/acd-updatelog.htm</a>)</div>
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<div>I would appreciate it if you could consider these suggestions.</div>
<div>I am sorry if I miss something that already exists.<br>
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<div id="m_3240505662069761140m_5666233735653019039m_-6589010268422573200m_-1118539241158486902divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Alex <<a href="mailto:smith.alexander.david@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">smith.alexander.david@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Yuko Kitada <<a href="mailto:yuyumalaysia@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">yuyumalaysia@hotmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:An-lang@anu.edu.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">An-lang@anu.edu.au</a> <<a href="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">an-lang@anu.edu.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [An-lang] Opinion concerning the new ACD site</font>
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The original ACD is still up, and the new ACD has release numbers and version control, so updates don’t make the past versions disappear.
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<b>From: </b><a href="mailto:yuyumalaysia@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Yuko Kitada</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Saturday, March 18, 2023 9:11 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:an-lang@anu.edu.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">An-lang@anu.edu.au</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[An-lang] Opinion concerning the new ACD site</p>
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It is fantastic to continue the ACD site. However, as a historical linguist, I think that what Professor Robert Blust wrote should be kept as it was, for example, as a backup as Blust's version or by annotating that given forms were suggested by him. It will
be better for us if someone builds on it after publishing his version because no one thinks precisely the same as Professor Blust as a person (It is not a matter of good or bad.).</p>
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What do you think about my opinion? </p>
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Oceanic specialists might want to have a say about the new ACD by relating it to the Polynesian lexical collection by Professor Bruce Biggs, which has been developed by other professors and has become POLLEX Online (<a href="https://pollex.eva.mpg.de/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pollex.eva.mpg.de/</a>).
It has continued to be revised as well.</p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt"><a href="mailto:yukokitada@outlook.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">yukokitada@outlook.com</a></span></p>
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