From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr  1 18:30:27 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:30:27 -0700
Subject: ARABIC-L: English-Arabic Dictionary Query
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Date: 01 Apr 1999
From: Grover Furr <FURRG at alpha.montclair.edu>
Subject: English-Arabic dictionary recommendations requested

I am continuing to study Arabic on my own, and continuing to make good
progress. Thanks to information received from members of this mailing
list, I've bought Wehr's dictionary, and a volume of Arabic newspaper
articles. I've also engaged a tutor, a native speaker who is very
helpful.

     My tutor insists that I try to write some MSA! I've tried, and
find I really need some kind of English-Arabic dictionary. Not an
encyclopedic one, just one for an advanced beginner to intermediate
student.

     I'd appreciate any recommendations. If you feel they would not be
suitable for this mailing list -- which, I realize, is made up
principally of experts in Arabic studies -- would you be so kind as to
email me privately, at

     furrg at alpha.montclair.edu

     In any case, thank you in advance!

Sincerely,


Grover C. Furr
English Department              |       Phone: (973) 655-7305
Montclair State University      |       email:
Upper Montclair, NJ 07043       |   furrg at alpha.montclair.edu

   "When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint. When I
    asked why the poor were hungry, they called me a communist."
                        --Dom Helder Camara
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr  2 16:57:09 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:57:09 -0700
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: English-Arabic Dictionary Response
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Date: 02 Apr 1999
From: Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: English-Arabic Dictionary Response

Greetings.

Your tutor may be "tangentially inspired" with that insistence on your
"writing some MSA," which term implies original composition.

You may benefit more from strengthening your background with references in
grammar and composition, rather than word-searching in dictionaries.

If you can read MSA articles in general Arabic media (magazines and
newspapers), you might try composing hypothetical replies or comments based on
what you've read.

Also, you might visit the web site for the weekly Saudi Arabian journal "Ain
Al-Yaqeen" and see the matching articles in English and Arabic (via the
switching button in the upper left corner). URL < http://www.ain-al-yaqeen.com
> should take you there.

You can view (and print out) both E and A articles inside an English-only MS
Windows environment. The Arabic articles seem to be in RTF and sometimes have
a smudgy appearance when printed (although that might be my printer). You
don't need Adobe Acrobat reader.

HTH,

Khair, in sha' Allah.

Regards from Los Angeles,

Stephen H. Franke

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr  2 16:55:51 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:55:51 -0700
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Book Announcement
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Date: 02 Apr 1999
From: "Munther A. Younes" <may2 at cornell.edu>
Subject: Book Announcement

To interested Arabic teachers:

	My book "Intermediate Arabic: An Integrated Approach"  has just
been published by Yale University Press. The book is designed for
second-year students and builds on my "Elementary Arabic: An Integrated
Approach". It follows the same philosophy of integrating educated spoken
Levantine with Modern Standard Arabic in a way that reflects the actual use
of the  language by native speakers.
	The book consists of thirty two lessons, designed to cover two
fifteen-week semesters. All lessons have a similar format: listening,
speaking, and reading selections form the core of each lesson, and a
variety of activities and exercises provide variety, entertainment, and
further opportunities for  practice. The materials in the different lessons
are arranged to allow maximum reinforcement: similar stories follow one
another and, whenever possible, the contents of each lesson focus on one
theme, for example,  Baghdad, travel, and religion, etc.
	In addition to building on the linguistic foundation of the
first-year book, this volume continues to introduce the student to Arab
society, history, and culture. The listening selections, accompanied by
black and white illustrations, are folktales and anecdotes that are
familiar to most Arabs and are considered an important part of Arab folk
literature. The speaking selections have been designed to give the learner
a feel for real-life oral interaction among Arabs. The dialogue themes
range from discussions of school and work and an argument over a car
accident to the difficulties an Arab enounters in obtaining a visa to
another Arab country and in dealing with an Arab intelligence service. An
attempt was made in all of these dialogues to introduce humor without
sacrificing realism. The  reading selections, consisting of poems, short
stories, newspaper articles,  descriptions of Arab cities, and biographies
of historical figures, are designed  to improve reading skills while
enriching the student's of Arab history,  culture, language, and literature.
	Each lesson includes supplementary materials for the teacher and
students to offer more variety and challenge with an element of
entertainment, while using the vocabulary and structures already
introduced.  Among the supplementary activities are songs,  crossword
puzzles, root-and-pattern identification exercises, passage completions,
dictations, and free compositions.
	Since the main goal of the book is to help students develop the
ability to communicate in Arabic, that is, to understand,  speak, read, and
write the language, discussion of grammar points is kept to a minimum. A
summary of the main grammar points encountered in the book is included in
an appendix for reference. The appendix also includes the texts of  the
listening selections and dialogues used in the lessons, and a comprehensive
glossary.
	The listening selections, the dialogues,  the reading selections,
the songs, and the passage completion exercises are recorded on audio tape.
The audio set, 4 cassettes or 4 CDs, can be obtained from Tape Sales, Room
G11, Noyes Lodge, Cornell Univesity, Ithaca, NY 14853, telephone: (607)
255-8793.
	If you have any questions, please contact me.

Munther Younes

Munther Younes
Department of Near Eastern Studies
360 Rockefeller Hall
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
Telephone	(607) 255-2769
Fax		(607) 255-1345
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr  5 20:25:31 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:25:31 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: More on English-Arabic Dictionaries
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Date: 05 Apr 1999
From: qamus at itsnet.com (Tim Buckwalter)
Subject: More on English-Arabic Dictionaries

I started making a list of recommended English-Arabic dictionaries
currently available on the market and got a little bit carried away
describing each one! To make a long story short: for simple everyday use I
recommend the Concise Oxford (#1 below). If you want an unabridged
dictionary, get Theodory's recently-published work (1996, #6 below).

Here's the full list of English-Arabic dictionaries with all the gory details:

(1) The Concise Oxford English-Arabic Dictionary of Current Usage by N.S.
Doniach (Editor), Safa Khulusi; Info from amazon.com: $32.00; Hardcover -
461 pages (June 1982); Oxford Univ Press; ISBN: 0198643217 ; Dimensions (in
inches): 1.10 x 8.30 x 5.54

This dictionary is an abridgment of an earlier edition (1972, see item #2
below). The source is primarily British English. The treatment of Arabic is
very good for learners: it lists verbs in the Perfect and provides the
Imperfect stem vowel for form I, as well as the broken plural of nouns. For
some items (e.g., food) it given regional Arabic equivalents.

(2) The Oxford English-Arabic Dictionary of Current Usage by Oxford,
Clarendon Press, N. S. Doniach (Editor); Info from amazon.com: $95.00;
Hardcover - 1392 pages (July 1972); Oxford Univ Press; ISBN: 0198643128;
Dimensions (in inches): 1.96 x 9.54 x 6.58

This one is a bit dated. I can't believe it costs so much now--I think I
paid around $38 for my copy back in 1979. It has more rare English words,
idioms, and examples than the abridged version. It stands out as the only
modern dictionary in which all the Arabic was written by hand!

(3) Al-Mawrid by Munir Ba'albaki. Beirut: Dar al-'ilm lil-malayin, 19??.
About 1300 pp.

This dictionary has been around for ages. It is published annually as a new
"edition" with the year stamped prominently on the cover. It's written for
the Arab user in mind, not the learner of Arabic. If you can buy it in the
Middle East, where it's probably cheaper, do it. I looked for it at Amazon
and the International Book Centre (http://www.ibcbooks.com/) but couldn't
find it.

(4) Al-Mughni Al-Akbar: English-Arabic Dictionary by Hasan Said Al-Karmi.
ISBN: 0906527643; Binding: Hardback; Beirut: Librairie du Liban, 1989.
About 1300 pp. 49.50 British pounds

I got the above info from Blackwell's (http://bookshop.blackwell.co.uk/).
It was also listed at Librairie du Liban
(http://www.librairie-du-liban.com.lb), including a "Plus" version, but
with no details provided. This dictionary is also intended for use by
native speakers of Arabic. Its coverage of phrases and idioms is fairly
comprehensive, although some of the made-up sentences are kind of funny. My
favorite one is "He kept on hitting him until he was *satisfied*": ...Hatta
ishtafaa. Mr. Al-Karmi was at the BBC Arabic Service for many years, where
he originate the famous "qawl `ala qawl" series. Unfortunately, the
printers messed up the order and numbering of some of the pages: to find
"once-over" and "tornado" you need to look two pages beyond the one where
they would normally be found. Maybe these pages are sorted and numbered
correctly in the "Plus" version?

(5) Al-Nibras by Hani Lubbadeh. Amman: Jordan, 1993. 1144 pp.

This is a very interesting work. The author often provides explanations of
word meanings in addition to translation equivalents, but these often
appear to be translated from a monolingual English dictionary. For example:
"shake 1) yahuzzu (al-mar'u shay'an maa wa-min 'amthilatihi al-`aSaa
wa-l-shajara 'aw al-ghuSn 'aw al-yad 'aw al-rijl...) [and that's about 15%
of the entire explanation for that entry]. There is some danger in this
approach because English collocations such as "shake a stick / tree /
branch / hand / leg" don't exactly map directly to hazza/yahuzzu al-`aSaa /
al-shajara, etc. His coverage is quite broad: you will see many English
words you never knew existed. Many of the sample English sentences for the
more common words are left untranslated.

(6) Al-Mounged English-Arabic by Constantin Theodory. Beirut: Librairie
Orientale [al-maktaba al-sharqiya], 1996. About 300FF (about $50). About
1150 pp.

Al-maktaba al-sharqiya has produced some of the handsomest Arabic
dictionaries around, and this one--their first English-Arabic in the famous
"Munjid" series--is no exception. Constantin(e) Theodory is the author of
the very useful "A Dictionary of Modern Technical Terms" (1959), which is
packed with idiomatic translations of technical terms and phrases (even
sentences and entire paragraphs), as well as excerpts from poetry and
literary prose. His technical background also shows in this general-purpose
Mounged dictionary, with entries such as "thermonic rectifier" and
"interlocutory motion." He doesn't neglect everyday speech, however, with
numerous idiomatic examples, all translated, such as: "there's a good boy!
'aHsant ya bunayya!" and "what is there for dinner? maa `indak
lil-`ashaa'?" He does an excellent job pointing out the semantic range of
diverse Arabic translation equivalents. For example, under "thick" he
lists: samiik (juukh, lawH); kathiif (ghaaba, Dabaab, sha`r); ghaliiZ j.
ghilaaZ (shafataan); kathth (liHya); 'ajashsh, khashin (Sawt); thakhiin
(Hasaa'); daamis (Zalaam). Unlike similar dictionaries published primarily
for native speakers of Arabic, this one does provide broken plurals.

I wasn't able to find an American distributor (esp. a website) for La
Librairie Orientale. I suspect that Theodory's dictionary will be published
in a useful abridged (wajiiz) edition (if it hasn't been already), in which
case I'd say it would be a very close call between that version and the
Concise Oxford.

Tim Buckwalter
http://www.itsnet.com/~qamus

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr  5 20:22:52 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:22:52 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Classroom Materials
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Date: 05 Apr 1999
From: Shirley Calabrese <scalab at hotmail.com>
Subject:  Classroom Materials

I am a teacher with a multicultural classroom.  I would like to locate
posters concerning Ramadan and especially EID.  Is there a resource that
you know of?  I am willing to purcahase them.
Many Thanks!
scalab at hotmail.com

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr  6 20:17:52 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:17:52 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: 1999 Middle East Summer Institute
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Date: 06 Apr 1999
From:  a.mcintyre at juno.com
Subject: 1999 Middle East Summer Institute

Middle East Summer Institute
The University of Texas at Austin
June 21 - August 15, 1999

APPLICATIONS ARE DUE APRIL 15, 1999

http://menic.utexas.edu/menic/summer/

We invite you to join us in Austin, Texas for the 1999 Middle East Summer
Institute sponsored by the Western Consortium of Centers for Middle
Eastern Studies. The 1999 Middle East Summer Institute offers intensive,
eight-week language courses in Arabic, Hebrew, Persian, and Turkish. All
courses provide the equivalent of two regular semesters of instruction
and credit, and are made available at an unusually affordable cost for
both resident and non-resident participants. On-campus housing is also
available at a special discounted rate. A rich program of activities
accompanies the language courses. It includes several non-credit one-week
courses devoted to the cuisine, music, folk dancing, and architecture of
the Middle East; a series of Middle Eastern films; and social and
cultural events.

The University of Texas at Austin has a long history of excellence in
teaching Middle Eastern languages and will offer the following intensive
language courses during the summer of 1999:

Arabic:	First-year, Second-year, Third year
Hebrew:	First-year, Second-year
Persian:	First-year, Second-year
Turkish:	First-year

The Summer Instituteís special program fee is based on the number of
credit hours for each language course:  $1,650 for a 10-hour course,
$1,350 for an 8-hour course, and $1,050 for a 6-hour course.

Summer housing is available at the Dobie Center, a private dorm located
just off campus. Under a special discount arrangement for Summer
Institute students, housing rates will be approximately $900 for the
entire 8 weeks, which includes a meal plan of 15 meals per week, and
unlimited use of all facilities, including a computer lab, gym, game
room, pool, and more. Covered parking is also available.

The Institute is open to undergraduate and graduate students from all
universities as well as to high school graduates and Austin high school
students who have completed their junior year. The application deadline
is April 15, 1999.  For application materials and further information
contact:

http://menic.utexas.edu/menic/summer/

The Center for Middle Eastern Studies
The University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1193
Tel: (512) 471-3881
Fax: (512) 471-7834
e-mail: sameena at mail.utexas.edu

**************************
The University of Texas at Austin, the flagship campus of the UT system,
is a major research institution that is home to 48,000 students and 2,700
faculty. The Center for Middle Eastern Studies coordinates one of the
most comprehensive Middle East programs in the country.  Visit the Center
on the web at http://menic.utexas.edu/menic/cmes/

Austin's culture is laid back, yet sophisticated. Ranked among the best
places to live in the United States, Austin is the nation's most
computer-literate city and home to more restaurants, bars, bookstores,
and movie theaters per capita than any other American city. Nonetheless,
its townspeople still embrace the offbeat, remain environmentally
attuned, and pursue what is "cool" like residents in no other Texas city.
Austin knows how to entertain. The heart and soul of Austin is its music
scene and its growing film community. It is called the "Live Music
Capital of the World," a title it upholds 365 days a year in venues
ranging from intimate lakeside burger bars to the lavish Paramount
Theater stage.

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The 1999 Middle East Summer Institute is organized by the Center for
Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Texas at Austin. It is
sponsored by the six member institutions of the Western Consortium of
Centers for Middle Eastern Studies: University of Arizona; University of
California, Berkeley; University of California, Los Angeles; University
of Texas at Austin; University of Utah; and University of Washington.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr  6 20:19:00 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:19:00 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Cambridge Conference Query
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Date: 06 Apr 1999
From: MFN at FRCU.EUN.EG
Subject: Any news about this conf. ?

Salamo alikom,
	I   was asking about the status of the Cambridge -7th International
conference on Multi-lingual Computing
Thanks in advance for any info.,
			Mohamed Farouk Noamany

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr  6 20:20:01 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:20:01 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Classroom Materials Response
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Date: 06 Apr 1999
From: Issam Khoury <isskhry at otterbein.edu>
Subject: Classroom Materials Response

Shirley, if you are in the DC area, then Al-Hikmat Bookstore on Columbia Pike
(East) right after you get off of Route 7 is an excellent resource.

--
********************************************************
Issam Elias Khoury
Master's Candidate, Arabic
     The Ohio State University     Columbus, OH
Hall Director, Hanby Hall
     Otterbein College                 Westerville, OH
     65 W. Home Street
     SMC 11016
     Westerville, OH   43081
     Tel:     (614) 823-1350
     Fax:     (614) 823-3299
     Email:  isskhry at otterbein.edu or  khoury.16 at osu.edu

"And since you are a breath in God's sphere, and a leaf in God's forest, you
too should rest in reason and move in passion."
                            ---- Khalil Gibran, "The Prophet"

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr  6 20:14:05 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:14:05 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: 4th EMTAr Symposium - List of papers
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Date: 06 Apr 1999
From: Eros Baldissera <balderos at helios.unive.it>
Subject: 4th EMTAr Symposium - List of papers

4th SYMPOSIUM on MODERN ARABIC LITERATURE
European Meeting Teachers of Arabic Literature (EMTAr)
Venice, 21st - 24th April 1999
Subject: "Literary innovation: Schools and Journals. Methodological and
Historical Approaches"
Responsable: prof. Rosella Dorigo Ceccato
Secretary: Giorgia Ferronato
Ca’ Cappello, San Polo 2035.
30125 Venezia.
Tel. 041-5287220 Fax: 041-5241891
E-mail: giorgiaf at unive.it

EMTAr is a free association of scholars working and teaching at European
Universities in the field of modern Arabic literature. EMTAr intends to
promote discussions and exchange about research and teaching of modern
Arabic literature.

LIST OF PAPERS

ALLEN Roger (University Of Pennsylvania, USA)
The Muwaylihi coterie

BALDISSERA Eros (Universita' Ca' Foscari, Venezia)
La ligue des ecrivains arabes (Damas 1954) selon la revue al-Thaqafa
al-'arabiyya

BOUSTANI Sobhi (Universite' de Lille III, France)
Poème en prose et rytme: les ecrits de 'Unsi al-Hajj

CORRAO Francesca (Istituto Universitario Orientale, Napoli, Italia)
Il ruolo della rivista Shi'r nell'innovazione della poetica contemporanea

DE MOOR Ed (University of Nymegen, The Netherlands)
Shi'r the shape of a literary rewiew

DEHEUVELS Luc (Institut National des Langues et Civilisations orientales
(INALCO), Paris,
France)
Positionnement et investissement generique: al-masrah li-l-qira'a

DORIGO Rosella (Università Ca' Foscari, Venezia)
Introduction

EISSA Ashraf (University of Salford, Greater Manchester, England)
Al-Jinan Magazine and its role in formulating the early foundations of
Arabic narrative
discourse

FAIQ Said (University of Salford,Greater Manchester, England)
Arabic Literature in French: resistance or compliance

HAFEZ Sabri (SOAS University of London, England)
The role of Al-Adab in the Formation of the 1960s generation

HAIST Andrea (University of Bamberg, Germany)
Literary innovation. A topic in Egyptian Literary criticism 1990-1930

HALLAQ Boutros (Sorbonne Nouvelle, Paris III, France)
Al-Katib al misriyy de T. Hussein

LADKANY Gilles
Literary innovation and Palestinan poetics the case of Mahmud Darwish

MICHALAK-PIKULSKA Barbara (Jagiellonian University, Cracow, Poland)
>>From at-tabatiba'i to rabita al-udaba' in Kuwait

OSTLE Robin (University of Oxford, England)
The "Apollo" phenomenon

OUSFOUR Gaber (Cairo, Egypt)
The role of al Fusul in Modern Arabic Literature

PARADELA Nieves (Universidad Autonoma, Madrid, Espana)
Sukhiyyat al-Nay de M. Tahir Jashin: un exemple d'innovation litteraire

RUOCCO Monica (Istituto Universitario Orientale,Napoli,Italia)
Qadaya wa Shahadat: nascita e morte di una rivista indipendente

STARKEY Paul (University of Durham, United Kingdom)
The Egyptian "generation of the sixties": a literary school?

STEHLI-WERBECK Ulrike (University of Munster, Germany)
The Egyptian journal Galiri 68 Innovation and diversity

VAN LEEUWEN Richard (The Netherlands)
Literary journalism and the field of literature: the case of Akhbar al-adab'.

WIEBKE Walther (Université de Strasbourg, France)
The Development of the Realistic School of Narrative Prose in Iraq


Eros Baldissera
Dipartimento di Scienze dell'Antichita' e del Vicino Oriente
Sezione arabistica - Universita' Ca' Foscari di Venezia
Palazzo Cappello - S. Polo 2035 - 30125 VENEZIA -ITALY
http://hydra.unive.it/~qsa/homepage.htm
tel. +39-041-2578803, +39-041-5287220 - fax +39-041-5241891
Ole'
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr  6 20:15:47 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:15:47 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: adverbs and adverbializers query
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1) Subject: reference query: adverbs and adverbializers in dialects

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Date: 06 Apr 1999
From:
Subject: reference query: adverbs and adverbializers in dialects

a colleague who is doing comparative research on adverbs and adverbializers
in tunisian and maltese has asked me for references on adverbs and
adverbializers in any arabic dialects.
this is a bit out of my own field of interest.  do any of you who are closer to
the issue know of any references?

thanks

david wilmsen
arabic and translation studies division
american university in cairo

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr  8 23:20:43 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:20:43 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Cambridge Conference Response
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Date: 08 Apr 1999
From: MOHAMMED M JIYAD <mmjiyad at unix.amherst.edu>
Subject: Cambridge Conference Response

MarHaban,

The Cambridge Conference is held every two years. The next one is
scheduled for April 2000. For further details you may contact Dr. Ubaydli
at the following e-mail address:
ahmad ubaydli <au100 at hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Best.
Mohammed Jiyad

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr  8 23:17:41 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:17:41 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Educational & Reference CD-ROMs
Message-ID: <THU.8.APR.1999.171741.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date: 08 Apr 1999
From: giovany <giovany at homeinteractive.com>
Subject: Home Interactive

Home Interactive involved in development and localizing
of high quality educational & reference Multimedia CD-ROM
software in Arabic language.

We carry the Jumpstart series in Arabic version.

These CDs are curriculum based and help on learning the Arabic Language
as well as teaches different subjects. Some of the CDs are bi-lingual.

Home Interactive have the following award winning quality Arabic titles:

Toddler Arabic, $45
Preschool Arabic $45
Kindergarten Arabic $45
First Grade Arabic $60
My First Arabic Encyclopedia $55
Tasha & the Magic Geese Arabic/English $35
Imo & the King Arabic/English $35
Mega Math Blaster Arabic/English $50
Virtual Arabic Blocks Arabic/English $35

For additional information please visit our site at:
http://www.homeinteractive.com
http://www.arabiclibrary.com

I would like to know if your company will be interested in exploring
potential business opportunity between our two companies.

Please keep me inform. Thank You.

Best Regards
Giovany
Sales Manager.
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr  8 23:19:57 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:19:57 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Cairo Immersion Programs Query
Message-ID: <THU.8.APR.1999.171957.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date: 08 Apr 1999
From: "Eric B. Gerow" <megerow at gsbpop.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Cairo Immersion Programs Query

Greetings,

I am seeking information on any Arabic immersion/full-time language
programs in Cairo this summer.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Eric

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr  8 23:18:51 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:18:51 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: Literature Query
Message-ID: <THU.8.APR.1999.171851.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date: 08 Apr 1999
From: msyfried at mscc.huji.ac.il
Subject: Literature Query

Dear colleagues,
	does anyone know about an edition of Ibn al-Jawzi's "Kitab
al-luqat min hikayat al-salihin"? Does anyone work on the edition of this
work?

With best regards, Yohanan Friedmann


Institute of Asian and African Studies
The Hebrew University
Jerusalem 91905, Israel

Fax: +972-2-588-3658

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr  9 18:19:11 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:19:11 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PED: Learning Arabic on my own
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Date: 09 Apr 1999
From: Rick L Sheridan <rlsquad at juno.com>
Subject: Learning Arabic on my own

I have just begun to study Arabic on my own.  I am using "Introduction to
Koranic and Classical Arabic" by W.M.  Thackston of Harvard's Near
Eastern Languages Center.  I chose this book for three specific reasons:

1.   All of the Arabic text is given unvocalized.  A transcription is
used where necessary,       e.g., new vocabulary, verb paradigms.
2.   All of  the readings - except for the first few lessons -- are from
the Qur'an, the Hadith       or classical literature.
3.   There is an answer key!

In the introduction to his book, Thackston states: "Ö yet by and large
not only the grammar but even the vocabulary of a modern newspaper
article display only slight variation from the established norm of
classicized Koranic Arabic."

My reading goals are: the Arabic Bible, Arabic web pages and eventually
"A Reader in Modern Literary Arabic" by Ziadeh.  I have Ziadeh and
Winder's textbook somewhere in my house but can't put my finger on it.

I am also using volume 1 of the Foreign Service Institute's "Modern
Written Arabic".  It too uses unvocalized text with transcriptions.  Each
chapter is short on vocabulary and grammar, but has abundant practice
exercises.  The vocabulary and style of Arabic is that which is found in
newspapers and official speeches.  The book's stated purpose is to each
students to r-e-a-d Arabic not just decipher it.  There are three volumes
in the course and approximately 1400 pages of written Arabic will be
read.  About 3/4 of the way through the course the student is ready to
read front page Arabic newspaper articles.  Cassettes are available on
which the lessons texts are read in standard broadcast style, but they
are very expensive.

Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr  9 18:17:58 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:17:58 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Cairo Immersion Programs Response
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Date: 09 Apr 1999
From: Andrew Freeman <andyf at umich.edu>
Subject: Cairo Immersion Programs Response

Hi,

  I highly recommend ILI in Cairo. There is not a lot of funding available
but it is cheap.  You can do a 2 month stint for under $2000 including
airfare (I think).

  They are the only people in more than 1000 classroom hours of
studying Arabic who taught me at my level.  In my humble but strongly held
opinion nobody does it quite as right as ILI does it.

The guy they paid to do their WEB site did a good job.  Andy
by'uul itfarrag  9alayy
--------->>> http://www.ili.com.eg/
Andrew Freeman
Ph.D. student, Arabic Linguistics
University of Michigan

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 12 21:07:55 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:07:55 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Introduction
Message-ID: <MON.12.APR.1999.150755.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date: 12 Apr 1999
From: Zuhair Maalej <zmaalej at gnet.tn>
Subject: Introduction

Dear colleagues,

I am an assistant professor of English at the University of Tunis I. My
name is Zouhair Maalej, a native speaker of Tunisian Arabic (TA). My
e-mail address is: zmaalej at gnet.tn

My interests include, among other things, Arabic rhetoric, Arabic
dialectology, contrastive rhetoric, the translation of metaphor
(English-Arabic). I have written a paper on the passive construction in
MSA and TA (forthcoming) and another one on conceptual metaphors in TA
(forthcoming). I am currently working on (i) the linguistics and
cognition of colours in TA and (ii) the translation of metaphor from TA
into English from a cognitive perspective (to be read in Tilburg next
July).

I hope to be able to exchange views with researchers having the same
interests, and I am sure that I will learn a lot from members of this
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 12 21:11:07 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:11:07 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: More on Immersion Programs
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1) Subject: A Similar Program
2) Subject: Information Websites

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Date: 12 Apr 1999
From: Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: A Similar Program

Greetings.

That impressive ILI program in Cairo sounds OK for basic acquisition. A
similar program available at UAE University in Al-Ain, Abu Dhabi, is
excellent for refreshing or enhancing one's foundation in MSA and
familiarization with the Gulf (Emirati) dialect of Arabic.

HTH.

Regards from Los Angeles,

Stephen H. Franke

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2)
Date: 12 Apr 1999
From: waheed samy <w_samy at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: Information Websites

Please visit one of the following two sites for information about
Arabic at the American University in Cairo.

http://mishmish.aucegypt.edu/~waheed/ali.htm
http://bdingana.aucegypt.edu/ali.htm

Waheed Samy

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 12 21:12:47 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:12:47 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: Arabic Literature Query
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Date: 12 Apr 1999
From: Ali Hussin <ahussin at study.haifa.ac.il>
Subject: Arabic Literature Query

I want to know if any one knows any references about the hudhaylians
poets. Is any body searching this field? If there any information, please
let me know.

Hussein Ali
University of Haifa
Arabic Language and Literature Department
Haifa, 31905

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr 13 20:55:49 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:55:49 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Gulf Arabic
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Date: 13 Apr 1999
From: John Leake <jleake at shikar.demon.co.uk>
Subject:  Gulf Arabic

Dear list members,

Does anyone know of any reviews - or have personal experience of -
Hodder & Stoughton's new "Teach Yourself Gulf Arabic"?  How does it
compare with Holes' "Colloquial Arabic of the Gulf and SA", or, indeed,
other Gulf Arabic materials?  Thanks for any aid on this!

John Leake

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 14 19:08:25 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:08:25 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Gulf Arabic Response
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Date: 14 Apr 1999
From: Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: Gulf Arabic Response

Greetings.

Could you kindly post here, or e-mail privately to me, the publisher data,
ISBN and address for this new book < Hodder & Stoughton's new "Teach Yourself
Gulf Arabic" > so I might examine a copy?

I doubt that there are many other one-volume "teach-yourself" types of books
on Gulf Arabic (GA) available.

Bruce Ingham's jewel of a paperback, entitled "The Simple Guide to Customs
and Etiquette in Arabia and the Gulf States" has many social expressions and
amenities.

Sir Donald Hawley's (1978) paperback entitled "Customs and Courtesies of the
Gulf Region" is very good and extremely useful for most-probable social and
private occasions. While that fine book is now out of print, it is worth your
tracking down from used bookstores or libraries.

====================

A few locally-published "Gulf Arabic Made Easy"-style paperbacks I saw for
sale in some hotel bookstores in UAE in late 1995 were pretty shoddy and of
very limited usefulness (plus each work had its own tortuous transliteration
system).

Most of those works resemble the trash churned out during the 1970s OPEC-boom
era when there was a wave of books of the genre of "Learn instant Arabic for
your business success in the Gulf."

===================

Another candidate, although a multi-volume product is:

Hamdi Qafisheh's series of paperback texts on Gulf Arabic, which series
consists of:

o  Basic GA level

o  Intermediate GA level

o  Reference Grammar

Published in the 1970s-1980s by the University of  Arizona Press in Tucson,
Arizona, might be helpful, although they require considerable time to get
through reading plus getting familiar with their unique systems of
transliteration. Audiocassette tapes are available for the first volume
(Ordered separately from the U of AZ Press or Dept of NE Studies).

===================

There are several larger and more academically-rigorous (plus better
researched) books (most in English and several in Arabic) on Saudi Arabian
and Gulf Arabic dialects, but they are beyond the genre of "teach yourself."

===================

Hope this helps.

Khair, in sha' Allah.

Regards from Los Angeles,

Stephen H. Franke

E-mail: < mutarjm at aol.com >
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 14 19:08:26 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:08:26 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: zaka:t & sha:wurma
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Date: 14 Apr 1999
From: Jim Rader <jrader at m-w.com>
Subject: zaka:t & sha:wurma

By way of introduction:  I am an etymologist at Merriam-Webster, a
dictionary publisher in Springfield, Massachusetts.  I have no
qualifications as an Arabist, in fact, I scarcely know any Arabic,
which is why I am addressing my questions to this list.  (Our
editorial department  is currently and for the near future without a
Semitic specialist.)

My first query concerns the word <zaka:t> (I use ":" to mark long a).
This word, according to the _Encyclopaedia Britannica_ article I am
reviewing, refers to "an obligatory tax required of Muslims, one of
the Five Pillars of Islam."  The English version of Hans Wehr's
Arabic dictionary, one of the few immediate references to which I
have access, has an appropriate-sounding entry for this word,, but
under <zaka:h>, not <zaka:t>.  In Wehr, <zaka:h> is defined as
"purity; justness, integrity, honesty; justification, vindication;
almsgiving, alms, charity; alms tax."  Is <zaka:t> the so-called
"construct form" and should <zaka:h> be shown as the primary form?
Or is <zaka:t> an independent word derivationally related to
<zaka:h>?  Any elucidation would be appreciated.

My second query concerns the Levantine Arabic word <sha:wurma> or
<sha:wirma>, defined by Wehr as "charcoal-broiled mutton, cut in thin
slices and arranged conically on a vertical skewer."  This word is
not listed under any root.  Is there an accepted etymology for the
word?  Any proposed etymology?

My gratitude for your patience and time.

Jim Rader
Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr 15 21:54:31 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:54:31 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: zaka:t and sha:wirma responses
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1) Subject:  zaka:t (same entry) & sha:wurma (Turkish)
2) Subject: sha:wirma (cevirme) & zaka:t (no neat solution)
3) Subject: Shah-warma = the king of meat
4) Subject: Shawarma is Turkish

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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Muhammad Deeb <mdeeb at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject:  zaka:t (same entry) & sha:wurma (Turkish)

(1) Zaka:h / zaka:t:

	*** "Zakaah" ("zaka:h") & "zakaat" are one and the same entry.  The
first is so pronounced in a pausal reading; the second, in either the
construct form, i.e., as first part of a genitive construction, or when it
is fully voweled.  Your observation that "zaka:h" should be at the head of
the entry rather than "zaka:t," which is contrary to the Hans Wehr system,
is more appropriate.  I would imagine Hans Wehr is following the Levantine
tradition of rendering the feminine suffix ("taa' marbuuTah / tied taa'")
into a taa', irrespective of its parsing, or position in given parlance.
Conversely, Egyptian & Sudanese pronunciation of the word in question is
"zaka:h," and of the Arabic daily, published in London, "Al-Haya:t."  Your
perceptive observation and a few other flaws in Hans Wehr, should be taken
into consideration in issuing updated and properly edited of this otherwise
indispensable dictionary.


(2) Etymology of Shawirmah:

	*** Because of its twin spellings (the first syllable being
variously short and long), this word is cross-referenced twice in Hans Wehr,
but without any etymological gloss, save its currency in Syria!  I, too,
this "oversight" surprising.  "Shawirmah" / "shaawirmah" ("sha:wirmah") is
of Turkish origin ("cevirme,"with a cedilla under letter "c.")

							M. Deeb

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Department of Comparative Literature,
University of Alberta,
Edmonton, Alberta,
Canada T6G 2E6

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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Michael Fishbein <FISHBEIN at humnet.ucla.edu>
Subject: sha:wirma (cevirme) & zaka:t (no neat solution)

Dear Mr. Rader,

I think I can help with the etymology of sha:wirma or sha:wurma. The word
is not
listed by Wehr under an Arabic root because it is a loan-word from Turkish.
The New
Redhouse Turkish-English Dictionary (1968) gives the following:

cevirme (begins with c-cedilla): lamb, etc., roasted on the spit.

The word is derived from the Turkish verb cevirmek (again, beginning with
c-cedilla,
pronounced like English ch): to turn, turn round; to rotate, spin; to roast
on the
spit.

So the etymology of shawarma (or however it is most commonly spelled in
English)
should be given as: "from Arabic sha:wurma or sha:wirma, from Turkish
cevirme" (c-
cedilla).

By the way, the word now used in Turkey for this style of roasted meat is not
cevirme, but doner kebap (o-umlaut), meaning "rotating kabob," from another
verb
meaning "to rotate." So, although the Arabic is derived from Turkish, it is
not
derived from the current Turkish word.

As for the problem of zaka:t or zaka:h, they are the same word. There
really is no
neat solution. Ordinarily, Arabic nouns are cited in their so-called pausal
forms,
that is, without the desinential endings that mark case. In effect, one is
citing the
stem of the word (as one does in citing Sanskrit nouns). In most Arabic
words, the
pausal form coincides with the stem, since in pause short vowels and final
n are
suppressed. The exception to this is nouns ending in the grammatical marker
-(a)t-
(the feminine marker, but it also has other functions). The pausal form of
such words
ends in -(a)h, not the expected -(a)t. Thus, the pausal form of zaka:t- is
zaka:h,
while the context form would be zaka:t- plus desinential ending, e.g.
zaka:tum,
zaka:tim, zaka:tam, for the nominative, genitive, and accusative respectively.

Another factor to consider is ordinary modern pronunciation. Most speakers
of modern
Arabic use zaka:t (with the t) as the spoken form of the word in all
occurrences.
This means that they treat words ending in -a:t/-a:h differently from words
ending in
-at/ah, where -at is preserved as the construct form, while -a(h) is
preserved as the
absolute form.

I suppose that to be consistent, one should cite zaka:h, if one cites words
like
madrasa(h), ka'ba(h), su:ra(h) in their pausal form. However, zaka:t (and
sala:t, dot
under the s) better reflect the typical pronunciation among Arabic speakers
today.
Furthermore, the Encyclopaedia of Islam, 2nd edition, uses salat (dot under
the s and
macron over the a) and zakat (macron over the a) for spelling and
alphabetizing the
words. So I think that salat and zakat would be preferable in your
etymology. It is
always safe to go with the Encyclopaedia of Islam.


********************
Michael Fishbein
Dept. of Near Eastern Languages & Cultures
University of California, Los Angeles
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1511

(310) 206-2229 (office, 389A Kinsey Hall))
(310) 206-6456 (fax)
fishbein at humnet.ucla.edu
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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: "Chouairi, R. MR           DFL" <GR6548 at exmail.usma.army.mil>
Subject: Shah-warma = the king of meat

Friend
Shah-warma, means the king of meat.  It is not an Arabic word, although in
Levantine cooking Awarma is meat cooked in fat to be eaten mostly in winter.

I hope that helped you.
				Rajaa Chouairi
				  Abou Fouad

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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Haidar Moukdad <moukdad at GSLIS.Lan.McGill.CA>
Subject: Shawarma is Turkish

The word Shawarma is Turkish, as is the the case with many food item
names in the Middle East. That's why you can not find a root for this
word. Other examples are for Shish Tawuq (Grilled chicken) and Yabraq
(stuffed vine
leaves).

Haidar Moukdad
McGill University

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:56:57 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L:PEDA: Arabic textbook
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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Rick L Sheridan <rlsquad at juno.com>
Subject: Arabic textbook

On the web I ran across the following book:

"Arabic Grammar: A First Workbook" by G. M. Wickens

This is described as a book for beginners. Is this for absolute beginners
or someone who has had a semester of Arabic?
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:58:47 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: zaka:t & sha:wurma thanks
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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Jim Rader <jrader at m-w.com>
Subject: zaka:t & sha:wurma thanks

My collective thanks to those members of the list (Muhammad Deeb,
Hanna Kassis, Antoine Lonnet, Zouhair Maalej) who sent me copious and
helpful information on these words.

For list members who might be curious, the consensus is that
<sha:wurma> (and variants) is a borrowing from Turkish <cevirme>
(<cevirme> with a cedilla under the c for those who can't read it).
<Cevirme> is a verbal noun meaning literally "turning, rotation,"
from the verb stem <cevir-> "to turn."

Jim Rader
Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr 15 22:04:00 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:04:00 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: More zaka:t & sha:wurma Responses
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2) Subject: zaka:t & sha:wurma
3) Subject: 'zaka:t' & 'shawirma'

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1)
Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Robert Langer <rlanger at ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
Subject: zak’h & sh’wurma

ad: zak’h

To quote from the standard in German orientalistics which is:

Die Transliteration der arabischen Schrift in ihrer Anwendung auf die
Hauptliteratursprachen der islamischen Welt. Denkschrift, dem 19.
internationalen Orientalistenkongreþ in Rom vorgelegt von der
Transkriptionskommission der Deutschen Morgenl”ndischen Gesellschaft:
Brockelmann, Carl; [... et al.], mit Beitr”gen v. Ronkel, Ph. S. van und
Otto Spies. [The Transliteration of the Arabic Script in Its Application to
the Main Literature Languages of the Islamic World. Memorandum Submitted to
the 19th International Congress of Orientalists at Rome by the Commission
for Transcription of the German Oriental Society: [...]]. Leipzig: Deutsche
Morgenl”ndische Gesellschaft in Kommission bei F. A. Brockhaus, 1935. 2nd
ed. Wiesbaden, 1969: (p. [25]: [Transl. Langer: ...] this submissions of the
memorandum are valid as recommendations of the International Congress of
Orientalists [1935]);

which is identical to (although the above mentioned is far more detailed):

Umschrift des arabischen Alphabets./Conversion of the Arabic Alphabet. DIN
[= German Industrial Norm] 31 635. Normenausschuþ Bibliotheks- und
Dokumentationswesen (NABD) im DIN Deutsches Institut f¸r Normung e. V. (DK
003.332.5.034/.035) [s. l.] April 1982. {= more or less: ISO/DIS 233
Documentation: International System for the Transliteration of Arabic
Characters. Revision. Draft 1975; by the way: I would like to know if more
recent ed. of this stayed the same)}.

Die Transliteration [...]: III. 5) (p. 14-15) [Transl. Langer]
"The T’` marbšTah (the t of the nominal feminine ending) [...] After long ’
it should be expressed  [...] always as -h (e. g. Sal’h, quD’h [and zak’h];
the usage to express it like Sal’t, quD’t [zak’t] a. s. o. which has become
common even in scientific papers should be dismissed!)."

ad: sh’wurma

The Arabic form sh’wurma (or sh’wirma) is of (Ottoman-)Turkish origin:
chevirme (Áevirme), verbal noun of the verb chevirmek (Áevirmek).
To quote from the standard dictionary for Ottoman Studies:

[Redhouse, Sir James/RadH’wS al-`InklÓzÓ, DjÓms]: Redhouse Yeni T¸rkÁe -
Õngilizce S–zl¸k./New Redhouse Turkish - English Dictionary. Ed.: AlkÏm, V.
BahadÏr; [... et al.] Õstanbul: Redhouse YayÏnevi, 1968; 12th ed. 1992.

p. 250:
"Áevir=ir [Áevirmek (chevirmek), in Arabic script:] ch-w-r-m-k
ch-w-y-r-m-k    ch-y-w-y-r-m-k    1. /Ï/ to turn, turn round; to rotate,
spin; to roast on the spit. [...]
Áevirme [(chevirme), in Arabic script:] ch-w-y-r-m-h    1. verbal n. of
Áevir=.    2. lamb, etc., roasted on the spit.    3. sweet made of sugar and
fruit juice. [...]"

Its the same meal as: "d–ner kebap    meat roasted on a revolving vertical
spit" (p. 311)

and the Greek "g›ros".

Robert Langer
Ruprecht-Karls Universit”t Heidelberg
Seminar f¸r Sprachen und Kulturen des Vorderen Orients, Islamwissenschaft:
Osmanistik
Sandgasse 7
D-69117 Heidelberg, Neckar

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2)
Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: MOHAMMED M JIYAD <mmjiyad at unix.amherst.edu>
Subject: zaka:t & sha:wurma

MarHaban,
The word <zaka:t> is the independent word derived from the root z-k-w, and
<zaka:h> is the dialect/spoken version of it. The most common meaning of
it is "almsgiving". As for the word <sha:warma> or <sha:wurma>, I believe
it is a word that is borrowed from Turkish.
Best.
Mohammed Jiyad

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3)
Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: akhalil at mail.bethlehem.edu
Subject: 'zaka:t' & 'shawirma'

Dear Jim,

With regard to 'zaka:t', the form ends with a -t in the construct
form but with -h pre-pausally.

As regards the word 'shawirma', the first vowel is short in
Palestinian Arabic. It could be a derivative of the verb 'shawaa",
which means 'to broil'.

Aziz Khalil

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 19 18:59:51 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:59:51 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: More zaka:t
Message-ID: <MON.19.APR.1999.125951.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date: 19 Apr 1999
From: "R. Hoberman" <rdhoberman at ccmail.sunysb.edu>
Subject: transcribing zaka:t

Let me suggest a practical solution for transcribing the Arabic etymon of
English zakat and the like in English-language dictionaries.  The
normative Standard Arabic pausal form zaka:h doesn't explain the -t in the
English form zakat.  Since the word is often pronounced by Arabic
speakers as zaka:t, why not transcibe it as "zaka(t)"?  This should
satisfy the requirements of Standard Arabic, those Arabic speakers who say
zaka:t, and, most important of all, the curious English speaker who knows
no Arabic.  This would also work well in a revision of Wehr, too.

Bob
robert.hoberman at sunysb.edu

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Date: 19 Apr 1999
From: Klaus Lagally <lagally at linde.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>
Subject: archaic (Aramaic?) convention

As to <zaka:t> etc. :

I am not an Arabist, and I am far from my office now so that I cannot get
at any sources; but I recollect from memory that <zaka:t>, <.sala:t> as
well as <.haya:t> and <mi^ska:t> are special insofar as they obey an
archaic (from Aramaic?) writing convention, introducing a (silent) waw
before the final ta' marbuta instead of the expected 'alif which is
turned into a Qur'an madda instead; and that might well influence the
pronunciation in the pausal form to be -a:t instead of the common -a:h.

Any specialists around?

Klaus Lagally
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 19 18:54:12 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:54:12 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: "al-xubz al-Haafii" sequel
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Date: 19 Apr 1999
From: "A. FERHADI" <af3 at is2.nyu.edu>
Subject: "al-xubz al-Haafii" sequel

For those interested in the "al-xubz al-Haafii" discussion which started on
this list a while ago, there is some more in Arabic.  In today's (Thurs.
April 15th) London-based "Al-Hayaat" newspaper P. 17, Abbas El-Tonsi has
responded to what Ali Hasan Dawud had written in the same paper on Feb 4
under the rubric  "The Case of the 'al-xubz al-Haafii.'"

______________________________
Ahmed Ferhadi, PhD
Associate Professor
MES, New York University
______________________________

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 19 19:01:28 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:01:28 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: More sha:warma (sha:wirma)
Message-ID: <MON.19.APR.1999.130128.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date: 19 Apr 1999
From: Louis Boumans <louis.boumans at gironet.nl>
Subject: sha:wurma etymology

" (..) Levantine Arabic word <sha:wurma> or <sha:wirma>, defined by Wehr as
"charcoal-broiled mutton, cut in thin slices and arranged conically on a
vertical skewer." 
 
The origin of this word is Turkish - as for many culinary terms in the
former Ottoman empire - : / c,evirme / a verbal noun derived from /
c,evirmek / "to turn around (sth.) " i.e. the skewer above or against
burning charcoal.
 
The current Turkish term for shoarma seems to be / do"ner kebab /; perhaps
in Turkish the two terms denote slightly different types of roasting,
depending on the kind of meat or the horizontal (c,evirme) versus vertical
(do"ner) orientation of the skewer?
 
Louis Boumans
Rijksuniversiteit Leiden, CNWS, Postbus 9515, 2300 RA Leiden, +31-71-527 41 36 

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 21 21:57:51 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:57:51 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: Mafia Query
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Date: 21 Apr 1999
From: Peter A. Puleo <papuleo at prodigy.net>
Subject: Mafia

In doing research on the Mafia, it is my thinking that this word if
Arabic in origin.  I believe that the island of Mafia off the coast of
Tanzania may historically have an Arabic meaning.

I would appreciate it if you may be able to help me with the above idea.

Thank you,

Peter A. Puleo
papuleo at prodigy.net

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 21 21:54:12 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:54:12 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: "Silk al-`ayn li-idhhab al-ghayn" Query
Message-ID: <WED.21.APR.1999.155412.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date: 21 Apr 1999
From: msyfried at mscc.huji.ac.il
Subject: "Silk al-`ayn li-idhhab al-ghayn"

Dear colleagues,
	does anyone know about an edition of the Sufi poem by `Abd
al-Qadir b. Muhammad b. `Umar al-Safadi (died in 1509 AD), entitled "Silk
al-`ayn li-idhhab al-ghayn"? Does anyone work on the edition of this work?

With best regards, Yohanan Friedmann


Institute of Asian and African Studies
The Hebrew University
Jerusalem 91905, Israel

Fax: +972-2-588-3658

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr 23 21:13:54 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:13:54 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: Mafia Response
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Date: 23 Apr 1999
From: William Granara <granara at fas.harvard.edu>
Subject: Mafia Response

A more likely theory is that the word is a derivative of the Arabic root
ayn, fa', waw, which has the meaning of to guard, protect (forms III and
IV). This seems even more likely given the early history of the Mafia as a
vigilante group which protected the local population against the abuses of
outside (foreign) rulers. See Danilo Dolci's work.
 Regards, William Granara, Harvard U.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr 23 21:16:05 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:16:05 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: zakaat, hayaat, salaat
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2) Subject:  Zakaat, etc. corrections

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Date: 23 Apr 1999
From: James Dickins <James.Dickins at durham.ac.uk>
Subject: zakaat, hayaat, salaat

There does seem to have been something special about the 'aa' vowel in
these words in Classical Arabic. The following are worth looking at:

1. Kitaab Sibawayh, Vol. 4, p. 85 'Baab cadad al-huruuf' (Maktabat
al-Khaanji edition, 1988)

2. Chaim Rabin, Ancient West Arabian, pp. 105-106 (London, Taylors Press,
1951)


James Dickins

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2)
Date: 23 Apr 1999
From: James Dickins <James.Dickins at durham.ac.uk>
Subject: Zakaat, etc. corrections

Sorry, I'll try again:

The Sibawayh page should have been p. 432.

Another reference I should have mentioned is:

A.A. al-Nassir, Sibawayh the Phonologist, p. 103 (pub. Kegan Paul
International)


James Dickins

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 26 16:10:01 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:10:01 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: More on Mafia
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Date: 26 Apr 1999
From: Paul Auchterlonie <J.P.C.Auchterlonie at exeter.ac.uk>
Subject: More on Mafia

Although published in 1972, Giovan Battista Pellegrini's Gli arabismi
nelle lingue neolatine is still a standard reference for Italian
(including Sicilian) words derived from Arabic. Pellegrini lists five
possible etymologies for "mafia" including the Arabic root `Ayn Fa
Waw.

----------------------
Paul Auchterlonie
Librarian for Middle East Studies
University of Exeter
Old Library
Prince of Wales Road
Exeter EX4 4PX
U.K.
Tel.: 01392 264051
Fax.: 01392 263871
E-Mail: J.P.C.Auchterlonie at exeter.ac.uk

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 26 16:09:10 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:09:10 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Printing in MS Arabic Word
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Date: 26 Apr 1999
From: "Br. Sumair, GM/F" <sumair at iname.com>
Subject: Printing in MS Arabic Word

why is it that when i TYPE a document under MS Arabic Word 97 (and MS Win 98
with Arabic Support) i have no problems, but when i try to PRINT all the
diacritics vanish??

am i the only person who cannot print the diacritics/harakaat?


Br. Sumair, GM/F

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:49:50 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:49:50 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Arabic Word Responses + New Question
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2) Subject: Response + New Question

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: waheed samy <w_samy at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: tools\options\print

You might be able to get rid of this problem if you go to
tools\options\print
and disable background printing.

Waheed

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2)
Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Jan Hoogland <j.hoogland at let.kun.nl>
Subject: Response + New Question

Sumair,
change the settings to No Background Printing
(Options, printing etc.).

However, Arabic diacritics come out well after changing this setting,
but printing the roman characters with diacritics, like e', e", e^ etc.
doesn't work with me, as a matter of fact whole lines simply disappear in
printing.
So, one question answered, new question posed.
Who can answer mine?

Jan


Jan (Abu Samir) Hoogland
Department of Arabic, Nijmegen University (the Netherlands)
PO Box 9103, NL 6500 HD Nijmegen, the Netherlands
phone +-31-24-3615676, fax +-31-24-3500719, E-mail: J.HOOGLAND at LET.KUN.NL

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:51:09 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:51:09 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Job announcement
Message-ID: <WED.28.APR.1999.115109.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Arabic Lecturer

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Farouk Mustafa <f-mustafa at uchicago.edu>
Subject: Arabic Lecturer

The Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations at the
University of Chicago announces the opening of the position of Lecturer in
Arabic starting the Autumn Quarter, 1999 (late September), for two years,
renewable.  Duties will include teaching Elementary and Intermediate Modern
Standard Arabic.  This is not a tenure-track position.

Applicants should have native or near-native proficiency in Modern
Standard Arabic and extensive teaching experience. A Ph. D. is desirable
but not required.

Applicants should send a curriculum vitae and three letters of
recommendation, by June 15, 1999, to:

                             Arabic Search Committee
                             Department of Near Eastern ýLanguages and
Civilizations
                             1155 East 58th Street
                              Chicago, IL  60637

The University of Chicago is an equal opportunity employer

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:55:44 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:55:44 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: Modern South Arabian research
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1) Subject: Modern South Arabian research

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Sam Liebhaber <slieb at uclink4.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Modern South Arabian research

I would like to contact either Marie-Claude Simeone-Senelle or Antoine
Lonnet about their field research in Yemen and Oman.  Is it possible to
contact them through e-mail?  And if so, are their e-mail addresses
available?

thank you,
Sam Liebhaber, graduate student, UC Berkeley
slieb at uclink4.berkeley.edu

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:45:46 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:45:46 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: Dictionary of Semantic Associates
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1) Subject: Dictionary of Semantic Associates

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Sami Boudelaa <sami.boudelaa at mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Dictionary of Semantic Associates

  Any body knows of a reliable Arabic-Arabic dictionary of semantic associates?

Sami Boudelaa
MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit,
15 Chaucer Road,
Cambridge,
CB2 2EF. UK
Telephone : +44 1223 355 294 ext 522
Fax: +44 1223 359 062

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:46:55 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:46:55 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Textbooks Query
Message-ID: <WED.28.APR.1999.114655.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: "Nadia G. Yaqub" <nyaqub at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Textbooks

I am posting this message for a friend who will be teaching a 5-week, 6
hour per week Arabic course in Seattle.  The students are community
members with a variety of goals--some are interested in Business Arabic,
others in just learning some words before a planned trip to the M.E., and
others have more academic interests.  As currently organized, the course
involves a combination of MSA and something approximating educated spoken
Arabic. Majid, who will be teaching the course will be keeping the
combined format, but is having trouble finding suitable textbooks.  He is
using Alif Baa by Brustad et al. which he finds to be satisfactory, but
would like some advice on good textbooks that teach dialect (preferably a
Levantine dialect, but Egyptian would also be fine).  He is not interested
in textbooks that use transliteration rather than the Arabic script for
teaching dialect.  Any suggestions or advice that you can provide would be
much appreciated.  Majid can be reached at:

mshihade at u.washington.edu

Thanks, Nadia

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 23:19:50 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:19:50 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: AML Call for Papers
Message-ID: <WED.28.APR.1999.171950.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Conference on Analogical Modeling of Language (AML)

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Kirk Belnap <rkb at email.byu.edu>
Subject: Conference on Analogical Modeling of Language (AML)

FYI: We expect at least two or three papers focusing on Arabic at this
conference.  For example, Dil Parkinson and I are working on Arabic broken
plurals.

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     	Conference on Analogical Modeling of Language (AML)
                       Call for Papers


 Date:	Thursday and Friday, 23-24 March 2000
 Location:	Brigham Young University (BYU)
                Provo, Utah USA


The purpose of this conference will be to bring together researchers in
Royal Skousen's theory of analogical modeling of language (AML) as well as
various other exemplar-based approaches to describing language. Most of the
conference will concentrate on AML, but invitations to present are extended
to other exemplar-based researchers who have compared AML with their own
work.

Brief description of AML:

During the last two decades, as rule approaches have encountered
difficulties explaining language behavior, several competing non-rule
approaches to language have been developed. First was the development (or
rejuvenation) of neural networks, more commonly known in linguistics as
connectionism. More recently, numerous researchers have turned to
exemplar-based systems (sometimes known as instance-based systems or "lazy
learning") to explain language behavior. These exemplar-based learning
systems involve hunting for the most similar instances ("nearest
neighbors") to predict language behavior. A more general theory of the
exemplar-based approach is Royal Skousen's analogical modeling of language,
which permits (under well-defined conditions) even non-neighbors to affect
language behavior.

Confirmed invited speakers:

Walter Daelemans
(Antwerp, Tilburg)
Comparing nearest neighbor approaches and AML

Bruce Derwing
(University of Alberta)
Experimental testing

Steve Chandler
(University of Idaho)
Psycholinguistic evidence

David Eddington
(Mississippi State)
Applying AML to Spanish morphology

Doug Wulf
(University of Washington)
Applying AML to German plurals


Submission information for papers to be presented at conference:

      Detailed abstract (approximately 1000 words) due 1 December 1999
      Submit by email to aml-conf at byu.edu (plain ASCII, PDF or Postscript
only)
      or by regular mail to:

      Royal Skousen
      Department of English
      Brigham Young University
      Provo, Utah 84602
      USA

      Preliminary draft of full paper due at time of conference
      Publication plans: major academic publisher, negotiations underway

In addition to the public conference on 23-24 March 2000, there will be:

      Tutorial sessions on AML on Wednesday, 22 March 2000:

            overview of AML
            developing datasets
            running the AML software
            using other instance-based approaches

      Expert sessions in research on Saturday, 25 March 2000

            groups applying AML to specific language problems


Local organizing committee for the conference:

Royal Skousen
Deryle Lonsdale
Dil Parkinson
Bill Eggington

with the assistance of other members of the AML research group at BYU:

Paul Baltes
Don Chapman
Dana Bourgerie
Kirk Belnap

For more details about the conference, as well as papers and the Perl
program that runs AML, see the AML website:
http://humanities.byu.edu/aml/homepage.html

For specific correspondence with the organizing committee, send e-mail to:
aml-conf at byu.edu or write to:

 Royal Skousen
 Department of English
 Brigham Young University
 Provo, Utah 84602
 USA

Possible support available from BYU's Kennedy Center for International
Studies for scholars from outside the U.S.

Anticipated costs:

Nominal conference fee: includes lunches on Thursday and Friday, plus
handout materials (abstracts)

Similar nominal fee for the tutorial sessions on Wednesday

Travel to Salt Lake City; shuttle services from airport to Provo (currently
about $40 for roundtrip) or car rental

Hotels and motels in Provo area:
            currently from $38 to $79 per day
            hotels include breakfast, plus shuttle to BYU

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 23:17:45 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:17:45 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: MA in E/A Translation Query
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1) Subject: MA in English/Arabic Translation in North America

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Salah Maduh <salmaduh at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: MA in English/Arabic Translation in North America

Hi,

Anyone out there knows of a university in North America that offers a full
MA program in English/Arabic translation or interpreting!

Thanks in advance.

Salah
New Jersey

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 23:14:18 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:14:18 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: New Members of AATA Exec. Board
Message-ID: <WED.28.APR.1999.171418.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: New Members of AATA Exec. Board

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: AATA <aata at byu.edu>
Subject: New Members of AATA Exec. Board

To all members of the American Association of Teachers of Arabic:


The votes have been tallied and we are pleased to announce the new
members of the AATA Executive Board for the year 2000.  Congratulations
to Nabil Abdelfattah, Hussein Elkhafaifi, and Jackie Murgida, we are
excited to have you on our Board!   We appreciate so much all the
nominees who were willing to serve.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 23:12:32 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:12:32 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Textbook Response
Message-ID: <WED.28.APR.1999.171232.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: RE: Textbook for integrated approach

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Kirk Belnap <rkb at email.byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Textbook for integrated approach

If your friend prefers to do Levantine alongside MSA, I would suggest
Munther Younes' Elementary Arabic: An Integrated Approach (Yale Univ.
Press).  If he would like to take a look at a sample chapter, he can order
it from AATA.  See: http://humanities.byu.edu/AATA/packetrequestform.html
or contact my assistant at <aata at byu.edu>.

Here is the blurb contained on the website:

_____ Living Arabic [the pre-publication title, I believe], Part One.
Munther A. Younes (Pre-publication version)
Combines the teaching of MSA with the Levantine dialect. Designed to teach
students to read, write, and speak Arabic in order to live in Arab
countries. Functional rather than structural syllabus. Teacher's manual,
accompanying tapes.

I'm sure Munther <may2 at cornell.edu> would be happy to send your friend some
info. on the book.  It's definitely worth taking a look at.  Your friend
may also want to take a look at Munther's article:

"An Integrated Curriculum for Elementary Arabic," pp. 233-55 in:

Al-Batal, Mahmoud (ed.). 1995. The Teaching of Arabic as a Foreign
Language: Directions and Issues. Provo, Utah: American Association of
Teachers of Arabic.

(This is an important book for those involved in teaching Arabic.  If your
friend doesn't have it, it is available from AATA <aata at byu.edu> for $19.99
for AATA members, $25 for other individuals, and $35 for institutions.)

At BYU we also employ a combined approach, simultaneously teaching Cairene
as the spoken variety while using MSA mostly for print matter.  We're very
pleased with the results, as are the students.  We use a packet of
materials to supplement the textbook.  We switched this year from EMSA to
AL-KITAAB and are currently revising our packet to better work with
AL-KITAAB.  At least one other institution is using our packet--as is (or
was).  If your friend would like to take a look at our approach, have him
get in touch with me.  That goes for anyone else who might be interested.

Best,

Kirk


          --------------------------------------------
            Kirk Belnap
	    Executive Director
	    American Association of Teachers of Arabic
            4072 JKHB
            Brigham Young University
            Provo, Utah 84601
            telephone: 801/378-6531
            fax: 801/378-5866
            email: rkb at email.byu.edu
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr 29 17:17:16 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:17:16 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: MA in E/A Translation Response
Message-ID: <THU.29.APR.1999.111716.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: MA in E/A Translation Response

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Date: 29 Apr 1999
From: Bill Turpen <BTURPEN at ossm.edu>
Subject: MA in E/A Translation Response

     I believe there is such a program at the King Fahd Middle East
Studies Center at the University of Arkansas.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr 29 17:18:56 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:18:56 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Textbooks Response (#2)
Message-ID: <THU.29.APR.1999.111856.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Interactive Multimedia

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Date: 29 Apr 1999
From: GnhBos at aol.com
Subject: Interactive Multimedia

We wish Majid and the community students the best at learning Arabic.
AramediA carries Arabic language learning interactive multimedia.
Although all titles that we have will teach you Modern Standard Arabic
(MSA), "Arabic Made Easy" will teach the Egyptian dialect, and may
be  most  suited for your needs. Moreover there is a Free Demo that
you may download from our site:

  http://www.aramedia.com/atutors.htm

Best Regards,

George N. Hallak        Microsoft Sakhr Arabic Islamic Software
AramediA Group          T 617 825-3044 F 617 265-9648
761 Adams Street        mailto:sales at aramedia.net
Boston, MA 02122, USA   http://aramedia.com

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr 29 17:21:27 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:21:27 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: Spanish Fish Names in Arabic
Message-ID: <THU.29.APR.1999.112127.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Spanish Fish Names in Arabic

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Date: 29 Apr 1999
From: DWILMSEN at aucegypt.edu
Subject: Spanish Fish Names in Arabic

I have a list of common names of fish in Spanish which I have been asked to
translate into Arabic for the Hilton Hotel in Cario.  Apparently they want
to make an order of some cases of fish (hundreds of them) and want to know
what they are buying (or what they might want to buy).

I have found some of the names on on-line dicitonaries (of course not the
Arabicnames) and will eventually proceed to look for their Arabic
equivalents.

I have also asked the translators on Lantra-L and have, as ususal, been
answered quickly.  (That is a wonderful resource.  We have used it repeatedly
to solve problems in translation.  Of course there are no Arabic translators
on that list, or at least not many.  But at least we can find someone who
knows something and then nitSarraf ba'a.)

The trouble is that I now have many names for these fish.

I am going to try to find matches in al-mawrid, and then will assume that those
are the ones known in the Arab world.  And then check them against Hinds and
Badawi.  We'll see what turns up.

I make this request by means of sharing an intersting problem with you all,
maybe in the hopes of opening up a discussion about Arabic translation in
general on this list.  And also to see if I can save a little time.

Those pesky fish are as follows:

verrugato
sable
gallina
pargo
burro
besugo
roncador
corvina
pompano
sargo

bi alf hana wa shifa

David Wilmsen
Arabic and Translation Studies
American University in Cairo

Oh and by the way.  Notice that some of the names are common Spanish names
but clearly with specialized meanings.

I am nearly native in Spanish, and a fisherman to boot.  But I don't know any
fish names in Spanish.  Actually the Arabic ones confuse me too.  I know them
and I know what I like to eat (nearly all of them), but I cant tell you which
ones are which without having recourse to good old Badawi and Hinds!

eat up y'all

david

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr  1 18:30:27 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:30:27 -0700
Subject: ARABIC-L: English-Arabic Dictionary Query
Message-ID: <THU.1.APR.1999.113027.0700.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: English-Arabic dictionary recommendations requested

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Date: 01 Apr 1999
From: Grover Furr <FURRG at alpha.montclair.edu>
Subject: English-Arabic dictionary recommendations requested

I am continuing to study Arabic on my own, and continuing to make good
progress. Thanks to information received from members of this mailing
list, I've bought Wehr's dictionary, and a volume of Arabic newspaper
articles. I've also engaged a tutor, a native speaker who is very
helpful.

     My tutor insists that I try to write some MSA! I've tried, and
find I really need some kind of English-Arabic dictionary. Not an
encyclopedic one, just one for an advanced beginner to intermediate
student.

     I'd appreciate any recommendations. If you feel they would not be
suitable for this mailing list -- which, I realize, is made up
principally of experts in Arabic studies -- would you be so kind as to
email me privately, at

     furrg at alpha.montclair.edu

     In any case, thank you in advance!

Sincerely,


Grover C. Furr
English Department              |       Phone: (973) 655-7305
Montclair State University      |       email:
Upper Montclair, NJ 07043       |   furrg at alpha.montclair.edu

   "When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint. When I
    asked why the poor were hungry, they called me a communist."
                        --Dom Helder Camara
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr  2 16:57:09 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:57:09 -0700
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: English-Arabic Dictionary Response
Message-ID: <FRI.2.APR.1999.095709.0700.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: English-Arabic Dictionary Response

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Date: 02 Apr 1999
From: Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: English-Arabic Dictionary Response

Greetings.

Your tutor may be "tangentially inspired" with that insistence on your
"writing some MSA," which term implies original composition.

You may benefit more from strengthening your background with references in
grammar and composition, rather than word-searching in dictionaries.

If you can read MSA articles in general Arabic media (magazines and
newspapers), you might try composing hypothetical replies or comments based on
what you've read.

Also, you might visit the web site for the weekly Saudi Arabian journal "Ain
Al-Yaqeen" and see the matching articles in English and Arabic (via the
switching button in the upper left corner). URL < http://www.ain-al-yaqeen.com
> should take you there.

You can view (and print out) both E and A articles inside an English-only MS
Windows environment. The Arabic articles seem to be in RTF and sometimes have
a smudgy appearance when printed (although that might be my printer). You
don't need Adobe Acrobat reader.

HTH,

Khair, in sha' Allah.

Regards from Los Angeles,

Stephen H. Franke

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr  2 16:55:51 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:55:51 -0700
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Book Announcement
Message-ID: <FRI.2.APR.1999.095551.0700.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Book Announcement

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Date: 02 Apr 1999
From: "Munther A. Younes" <may2 at cornell.edu>
Subject: Book Announcement

To interested Arabic teachers:

	My book "Intermediate Arabic: An Integrated Approach"  has just
been published by Yale University Press. The book is designed for
second-year students and builds on my "Elementary Arabic: An Integrated
Approach". It follows the same philosophy of integrating educated spoken
Levantine with Modern Standard Arabic in a way that reflects the actual use
of the  language by native speakers.
	The book consists of thirty two lessons, designed to cover two
fifteen-week semesters. All lessons have a similar format: listening,
speaking, and reading selections form the core of each lesson, and a
variety of activities and exercises provide variety, entertainment, and
further opportunities for  practice. The materials in the different lessons
are arranged to allow maximum reinforcement: similar stories follow one
another and, whenever possible, the contents of each lesson focus on one
theme, for example,  Baghdad, travel, and religion, etc.
	In addition to building on the linguistic foundation of the
first-year book, this volume continues to introduce the student to Arab
society, history, and culture. The listening selections, accompanied by
black and white illustrations, are folktales and anecdotes that are
familiar to most Arabs and are considered an important part of Arab folk
literature. The speaking selections have been designed to give the learner
a feel for real-life oral interaction among Arabs. The dialogue themes
range from discussions of school and work and an argument over a car
accident to the difficulties an Arab enounters in obtaining a visa to
another Arab country and in dealing with an Arab intelligence service. An
attempt was made in all of these dialogues to introduce humor without
sacrificing realism. The  reading selections, consisting of poems, short
stories, newspaper articles,  descriptions of Arab cities, and biographies
of historical figures, are designed  to improve reading skills while
enriching the student's of Arab history,  culture, language, and literature.
	Each lesson includes supplementary materials for the teacher and
students to offer more variety and challenge with an element of
entertainment, while using the vocabulary and structures already
introduced.  Among the supplementary activities are songs,  crossword
puzzles, root-and-pattern identification exercises, passage completions,
dictations, and free compositions.
	Since the main goal of the book is to help students develop the
ability to communicate in Arabic, that is, to understand,  speak, read, and
write the language, discussion of grammar points is kept to a minimum. A
summary of the main grammar points encountered in the book is included in
an appendix for reference. The appendix also includes the texts of  the
listening selections and dialogues used in the lessons, and a comprehensive
glossary.
	The listening selections, the dialogues,  the reading selections,
the songs, and the passage completion exercises are recorded on audio tape.
The audio set, 4 cassettes or 4 CDs, can be obtained from Tape Sales, Room
G11, Noyes Lodge, Cornell Univesity, Ithaca, NY 14853, telephone: (607)
255-8793.
	If you have any questions, please contact me.

Munther Younes

Munther Younes
Department of Near Eastern Studies
360 Rockefeller Hall
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
Telephone	(607) 255-2769
Fax		(607) 255-1345
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:25:31 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: More on English-Arabic Dictionaries
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Date: 05 Apr 1999
From: qamus at itsnet.com (Tim Buckwalter)
Subject: More on English-Arabic Dictionaries

I started making a list of recommended English-Arabic dictionaries
currently available on the market and got a little bit carried away
describing each one! To make a long story short: for simple everyday use I
recommend the Concise Oxford (#1 below). If you want an unabridged
dictionary, get Theodory's recently-published work (1996, #6 below).

Here's the full list of English-Arabic dictionaries with all the gory details:

(1) The Concise Oxford English-Arabic Dictionary of Current Usage by N.S.
Doniach (Editor), Safa Khulusi; Info from amazon.com: $32.00; Hardcover -
461 pages (June 1982); Oxford Univ Press; ISBN: 0198643217 ; Dimensions (in
inches): 1.10 x 8.30 x 5.54

This dictionary is an abridgment of an earlier edition (1972, see item #2
below). The source is primarily British English. The treatment of Arabic is
very good for learners: it lists verbs in the Perfect and provides the
Imperfect stem vowel for form I, as well as the broken plural of nouns. For
some items (e.g., food) it given regional Arabic equivalents.

(2) The Oxford English-Arabic Dictionary of Current Usage by Oxford,
Clarendon Press, N. S. Doniach (Editor); Info from amazon.com: $95.00;
Hardcover - 1392 pages (July 1972); Oxford Univ Press; ISBN: 0198643128;
Dimensions (in inches): 1.96 x 9.54 x 6.58

This one is a bit dated. I can't believe it costs so much now--I think I
paid around $38 for my copy back in 1979. It has more rare English words,
idioms, and examples than the abridged version. It stands out as the only
modern dictionary in which all the Arabic was written by hand!

(3) Al-Mawrid by Munir Ba'albaki. Beirut: Dar al-'ilm lil-malayin, 19??.
About 1300 pp.

This dictionary has been around for ages. It is published annually as a new
"edition" with the year stamped prominently on the cover. It's written for
the Arab user in mind, not the learner of Arabic. If you can buy it in the
Middle East, where it's probably cheaper, do it. I looked for it at Amazon
and the International Book Centre (http://www.ibcbooks.com/) but couldn't
find it.

(4) Al-Mughni Al-Akbar: English-Arabic Dictionary by Hasan Said Al-Karmi.
ISBN: 0906527643; Binding: Hardback; Beirut: Librairie du Liban, 1989.
About 1300 pp. 49.50 British pounds

I got the above info from Blackwell's (http://bookshop.blackwell.co.uk/).
It was also listed at Librairie du Liban
(http://www.librairie-du-liban.com.lb), including a "Plus" version, but
with no details provided. This dictionary is also intended for use by
native speakers of Arabic. Its coverage of phrases and idioms is fairly
comprehensive, although some of the made-up sentences are kind of funny. My
favorite one is "He kept on hitting him until he was *satisfied*": ...Hatta
ishtafaa. Mr. Al-Karmi was at the BBC Arabic Service for many years, where
he originate the famous "qawl `ala qawl" series. Unfortunately, the
printers messed up the order and numbering of some of the pages: to find
"once-over" and "tornado" you need to look two pages beyond the one where
they would normally be found. Maybe these pages are sorted and numbered
correctly in the "Plus" version?

(5) Al-Nibras by Hani Lubbadeh. Amman: Jordan, 1993. 1144 pp.

This is a very interesting work. The author often provides explanations of
word meanings in addition to translation equivalents, but these often
appear to be translated from a monolingual English dictionary. For example:
"shake 1) yahuzzu (al-mar'u shay'an maa wa-min 'amthilatihi al-`aSaa
wa-l-shajara 'aw al-ghuSn 'aw al-yad 'aw al-rijl...) [and that's about 15%
of the entire explanation for that entry]. There is some danger in this
approach because English collocations such as "shake a stick / tree /
branch / hand / leg" don't exactly map directly to hazza/yahuzzu al-`aSaa /
al-shajara, etc. His coverage is quite broad: you will see many English
words you never knew existed. Many of the sample English sentences for the
more common words are left untranslated.

(6) Al-Mounged English-Arabic by Constantin Theodory. Beirut: Librairie
Orientale [al-maktaba al-sharqiya], 1996. About 300FF (about $50). About
1150 pp.

Al-maktaba al-sharqiya has produced some of the handsomest Arabic
dictionaries around, and this one--their first English-Arabic in the famous
"Munjid" series--is no exception. Constantin(e) Theodory is the author of
the very useful "A Dictionary of Modern Technical Terms" (1959), which is
packed with idiomatic translations of technical terms and phrases (even
sentences and entire paragraphs), as well as excerpts from poetry and
literary prose. His technical background also shows in this general-purpose
Mounged dictionary, with entries such as "thermonic rectifier" and
"interlocutory motion." He doesn't neglect everyday speech, however, with
numerous idiomatic examples, all translated, such as: "there's a good boy!
'aHsant ya bunayya!" and "what is there for dinner? maa `indak
lil-`ashaa'?" He does an excellent job pointing out the semantic range of
diverse Arabic translation equivalents. For example, under "thick" he
lists: samiik (juukh, lawH); kathiif (ghaaba, Dabaab, sha`r); ghaliiZ j.
ghilaaZ (shafataan); kathth (liHya); 'ajashsh, khashin (Sawt); thakhiin
(Hasaa'); daamis (Zalaam). Unlike similar dictionaries published primarily
for native speakers of Arabic, this one does provide broken plurals.

I wasn't able to find an American distributor (esp. a website) for La
Librairie Orientale. I suspect that Theodory's dictionary will be published
in a useful abridged (wajiiz) edition (if it hasn't been already), in which
case I'd say it would be a very close call between that version and the
Concise Oxford.

Tim Buckwalter
http://www.itsnet.com/~qamus

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr  5 20:22:52 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:22:52 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Classroom Materials
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Date: 05 Apr 1999
From: Shirley Calabrese <scalab at hotmail.com>
Subject:  Classroom Materials

I am a teacher with a multicultural classroom.  I would like to locate
posters concerning Ramadan and especially EID.  Is there a resource that
you know of?  I am willing to purcahase them.
Many Thanks!
scalab at hotmail.com

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr  6 20:17:52 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:17:52 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: 1999 Middle East Summer Institute
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Date: 06 Apr 1999
From:  a.mcintyre at juno.com
Subject: 1999 Middle East Summer Institute

Middle East Summer Institute
The University of Texas at Austin
June 21 - August 15, 1999

APPLICATIONS ARE DUE APRIL 15, 1999

http://menic.utexas.edu/menic/summer/

We invite you to join us in Austin, Texas for the 1999 Middle East Summer
Institute sponsored by the Western Consortium of Centers for Middle
Eastern Studies. The 1999 Middle East Summer Institute offers intensive,
eight-week language courses in Arabic, Hebrew, Persian, and Turkish. All
courses provide the equivalent of two regular semesters of instruction
and credit, and are made available at an unusually affordable cost for
both resident and non-resident participants. On-campus housing is also
available at a special discounted rate. A rich program of activities
accompanies the language courses. It includes several non-credit one-week
courses devoted to the cuisine, music, folk dancing, and architecture of
the Middle East; a series of Middle Eastern films; and social and
cultural events.

The University of Texas at Austin has a long history of excellence in
teaching Middle Eastern languages and will offer the following intensive
language courses during the summer of 1999:

Arabic:	First-year, Second-year, Third year
Hebrew:	First-year, Second-year
Persian:	First-year, Second-year
Turkish:	First-year

The Summer Institute?s special program fee is based on the number of
credit hours for each language course:  $1,650 for a 10-hour course,
$1,350 for an 8-hour course, and $1,050 for a 6-hour course.

Summer housing is available at the Dobie Center, a private dorm located
just off campus. Under a special discount arrangement for Summer
Institute students, housing rates will be approximately $900 for the
entire 8 weeks, which includes a meal plan of 15 meals per week, and
unlimited use of all facilities, including a computer lab, gym, game
room, pool, and more. Covered parking is also available.

The Institute is open to undergraduate and graduate students from all
universities as well as to high school graduates and Austin high school
students who have completed their junior year. The application deadline
is April 15, 1999.  For application materials and further information
contact:

http://menic.utexas.edu/menic/summer/

The Center for Middle Eastern Studies
The University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1193
Tel: (512) 471-3881
Fax: (512) 471-7834
e-mail: sameena at mail.utexas.edu

**************************
The University of Texas at Austin, the flagship campus of the UT system,
is a major research institution that is home to 48,000 students and 2,700
faculty. The Center for Middle Eastern Studies coordinates one of the
most comprehensive Middle East programs in the country.  Visit the Center
on the web at http://menic.utexas.edu/menic/cmes/

Austin's culture is laid back, yet sophisticated. Ranked among the best
places to live in the United States, Austin is the nation's most
computer-literate city and home to more restaurants, bars, bookstores,
and movie theaters per capita than any other American city. Nonetheless,
its townspeople still embrace the offbeat, remain environmentally
attuned, and pursue what is "cool" like residents in no other Texas city.
Austin knows how to entertain. The heart and soul of Austin is its music
scene and its growing film community. It is called the "Live Music
Capital of the World," a title it upholds 365 days a year in venues
ranging from intimate lakeside burger bars to the lavish Paramount
Theater stage.

**************************
The 1999 Middle East Summer Institute is organized by the Center for
Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Texas at Austin. It is
sponsored by the six member institutions of the Western Consortium of
Centers for Middle Eastern Studies: University of Arizona; University of
California, Berkeley; University of California, Los Angeles; University
of Texas at Austin; University of Utah; and University of Washington.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr  6 20:19:00 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:19:00 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Cambridge Conference Query
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1) Subject: Any news about this conf. ?

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Date: 06 Apr 1999
From: MFN at FRCU.EUN.EG
Subject: Any news about this conf. ?

Salamo alikom,
	I   was asking about the status of the Cambridge -7th International
conference on Multi-lingual Computing
Thanks in advance for any info.,
			Mohamed Farouk Noamany

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr  6 20:20:01 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:20:01 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Classroom Materials Response
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Date: 06 Apr 1999
From: Issam Khoury <isskhry at otterbein.edu>
Subject: Classroom Materials Response

Shirley, if you are in the DC area, then Al-Hikmat Bookstore on Columbia Pike
(East) right after you get off of Route 7 is an excellent resource.

--
********************************************************
Issam Elias Khoury
Master's Candidate, Arabic
     The Ohio State University     Columbus, OH
Hall Director, Hanby Hall
     Otterbein College                 Westerville, OH
     65 W. Home Street
     SMC 11016
     Westerville, OH   43081
     Tel:     (614) 823-1350
     Fax:     (614) 823-3299
     Email:  isskhry at otterbein.edu or  khoury.16 at osu.edu

"And since you are a breath in God's sphere, and a leaf in God's forest, you
too should rest in reason and move in passion."
                            ---- Khalil Gibran, "The Prophet"

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr  6 20:14:05 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:14:05 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: 4th EMTAr Symposium - List of papers
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Date: 06 Apr 1999
From: Eros Baldissera <balderos at helios.unive.it>
Subject: 4th EMTAr Symposium - List of papers

4th SYMPOSIUM on MODERN ARABIC LITERATURE
European Meeting Teachers of Arabic Literature (EMTAr)
Venice, 21st - 24th April 1999
Subject: "Literary innovation: Schools and Journals. Methodological and
Historical Approaches"
Responsable: prof. Rosella Dorigo Ceccato
Secretary: Giorgia Ferronato
Ca? Cappello, San Polo 2035.
30125 Venezia.
Tel. 041-5287220 Fax: 041-5241891
E-mail: giorgiaf at unive.it

EMTAr is a free association of scholars working and teaching at European
Universities in the field of modern Arabic literature. EMTAr intends to
promote discussions and exchange about research and teaching of modern
Arabic literature.

LIST OF PAPERS

ALLEN Roger (University Of Pennsylvania, USA)
The Muwaylihi coterie

BALDISSERA Eros (Universita' Ca' Foscari, Venezia)
La ligue des ecrivains arabes (Damas 1954) selon la revue al-Thaqafa
al-'arabiyya

BOUSTANI Sobhi (Universite' de Lille III, France)
Po?me en prose et rytme: les ecrits de 'Unsi al-Hajj

CORRAO Francesca (Istituto Universitario Orientale, Napoli, Italia)
Il ruolo della rivista Shi'r nell'innovazione della poetica contemporanea

DE MOOR Ed (University of Nymegen, The Netherlands)
Shi'r the shape of a literary rewiew

DEHEUVELS Luc (Institut National des Langues et Civilisations orientales
(INALCO), Paris,
France)
Positionnement et investissement generique: al-masrah li-l-qira'a

DORIGO Rosella (Universit? Ca' Foscari, Venezia)
Introduction

EISSA Ashraf (University of Salford, Greater Manchester, England)
Al-Jinan Magazine and its role in formulating the early foundations of
Arabic narrative
discourse

FAIQ Said (University of Salford,Greater Manchester, England)
Arabic Literature in French: resistance or compliance

HAFEZ Sabri (SOAS University of London, England)
The role of Al-Adab in the Formation of the 1960s generation

HAIST Andrea (University of Bamberg, Germany)
Literary innovation. A topic in Egyptian Literary criticism 1990-1930

HALLAQ Boutros (Sorbonne Nouvelle, Paris III, France)
Al-Katib al misriyy de T. Hussein

LADKANY Gilles
Literary innovation and Palestinan poetics the case of Mahmud Darwish

MICHALAK-PIKULSKA Barbara (Jagiellonian University, Cracow, Poland)
>>From at-tabatiba'i to rabita al-udaba' in Kuwait

OSTLE Robin (University of Oxford, England)
The "Apollo" phenomenon

OUSFOUR Gaber (Cairo, Egypt)
The role of al Fusul in Modern Arabic Literature

PARADELA Nieves (Universidad Autonoma, Madrid, Espana)
Sukhiyyat al-Nay de M. Tahir Jashin: un exemple d'innovation litteraire

RUOCCO Monica (Istituto Universitario Orientale,Napoli,Italia)
Qadaya wa Shahadat: nascita e morte di una rivista indipendente

STARKEY Paul (University of Durham, United Kingdom)
The Egyptian "generation of the sixties": a literary school?

STEHLI-WERBECK Ulrike (University of Munster, Germany)
The Egyptian journal Galiri 68 Innovation and diversity

VAN LEEUWEN Richard (The Netherlands)
Literary journalism and the field of literature: the case of Akhbar al-adab'.

WIEBKE Walther (Universit? de Strasbourg, France)
The Development of the Realistic School of Narrative Prose in Iraq


Eros Baldissera
Dipartimento di Scienze dell'Antichita' e del Vicino Oriente
Sezione arabistica - Universita' Ca' Foscari di Venezia
Palazzo Cappello - S. Polo 2035 - 30125 VENEZIA -ITALY
http://hydra.unive.it/~qsa/homepage.htm
tel. +39-041-2578803, +39-041-5287220 - fax +39-041-5241891
Ole'
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr  6 20:15:47 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:15:47 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: adverbs and adverbializers query
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Date: 06 Apr 1999
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Subject: reference query: adverbs and adverbializers in dialects

a colleague who is doing comparative research on adverbs and adverbializers
in tunisian and maltese has asked me for references on adverbs and
adverbializers in any arabic dialects.
this is a bit out of my own field of interest.  do any of you who are closer to
the issue know of any references?

thanks

david wilmsen
arabic and translation studies division
american university in cairo

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr  8 23:20:43 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:20:43 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Cambridge Conference Response
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Date: 08 Apr 1999
From: MOHAMMED M JIYAD <mmjiyad at unix.amherst.edu>
Subject: Cambridge Conference Response

MarHaban,

The Cambridge Conference is held every two years. The next one is
scheduled for April 2000. For further details you may contact Dr. Ubaydli
at the following e-mail address:
ahmad ubaydli <au100 at hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Best.
Mohammed Jiyad

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr  8 23:17:41 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:17:41 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Educational & Reference CD-ROMs
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Date: 08 Apr 1999
From: giovany <giovany at homeinteractive.com>
Subject: Home Interactive

Home Interactive involved in development and localizing
of high quality educational & reference Multimedia CD-ROM
software in Arabic language.

We carry the Jumpstart series in Arabic version.

These CDs are curriculum based and help on learning the Arabic Language
as well as teaches different subjects. Some of the CDs are bi-lingual.

Home Interactive have the following award winning quality Arabic titles:

Toddler Arabic, $45
Preschool Arabic $45
Kindergarten Arabic $45
First Grade Arabic $60
My First Arabic Encyclopedia $55
Tasha & the Magic Geese Arabic/English $35
Imo & the King Arabic/English $35
Mega Math Blaster Arabic/English $50
Virtual Arabic Blocks Arabic/English $35

For additional information please visit our site at:
http://www.homeinteractive.com
http://www.arabiclibrary.com

I would like to know if your company will be interested in exploring
potential business opportunity between our two companies.

Please keep me inform. Thank You.

Best Regards
Giovany
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr  8 23:19:57 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:19:57 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Cairo Immersion Programs Query
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Date: 08 Apr 1999
From: "Eric B. Gerow" <megerow at gsbpop.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Cairo Immersion Programs Query

Greetings,

I am seeking information on any Arabic immersion/full-time language
programs in Cairo this summer.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Eric

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:18:51 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: Literature Query
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Date: 08 Apr 1999
From: msyfried at mscc.huji.ac.il
Subject: Literature Query

Dear colleagues,
	does anyone know about an edition of Ibn al-Jawzi's "Kitab
al-luqat min hikayat al-salihin"? Does anyone work on the edition of this
work?

With best regards, Yohanan Friedmann


Institute of Asian and African Studies
The Hebrew University
Jerusalem 91905, Israel

Fax: +972-2-588-3658

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr  9 18:19:11 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:19:11 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PED: Learning Arabic on my own
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Date: 09 Apr 1999
From: Rick L Sheridan <rlsquad at juno.com>
Subject: Learning Arabic on my own

I have just begun to study Arabic on my own.  I am using "Introduction to
Koranic and Classical Arabic" by W.M.  Thackston of Harvard's Near
Eastern Languages Center.  I chose this book for three specific reasons:

1.   All of the Arabic text is given unvocalized.  A transcription is
used where necessary,       e.g., new vocabulary, verb paradigms.
2.   All of  the readings - except for the first few lessons -- are from
the Qur'an, the Hadith       or classical literature.
3.   There is an answer key!

In the introduction to his book, Thackston states: "? yet by and large
not only the grammar but even the vocabulary of a modern newspaper
article display only slight variation from the established norm of
classicized Koranic Arabic."

My reading goals are: the Arabic Bible, Arabic web pages and eventually
"A Reader in Modern Literary Arabic" by Ziadeh.  I have Ziadeh and
Winder's textbook somewhere in my house but can't put my finger on it.

I am also using volume 1 of the Foreign Service Institute's "Modern
Written Arabic".  It too uses unvocalized text with transcriptions.  Each
chapter is short on vocabulary and grammar, but has abundant practice
exercises.  The vocabulary and style of Arabic is that which is found in
newspapers and official speeches.  The book's stated purpose is to each
students to r-e-a-d Arabic not just decipher it.  There are three volumes
in the course and approximately 1400 pages of written Arabic will be
read.  About 3/4 of the way through the course the student is ready to
read front page Arabic newspaper articles.  Cassettes are available on
which the lessons texts are read in standard broadcast style, but they
are very expensive.

Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr  9 18:17:58 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:17:58 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Cairo Immersion Programs Response
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Date: 09 Apr 1999
From: Andrew Freeman <andyf at umich.edu>
Subject: Cairo Immersion Programs Response

Hi,

  I highly recommend ILI in Cairo. There is not a lot of funding available
but it is cheap.  You can do a 2 month stint for under $2000 including
airfare (I think).

  They are the only people in more than 1000 classroom hours of
studying Arabic who taught me at my level.  In my humble but strongly held
opinion nobody does it quite as right as ILI does it.

The guy they paid to do their WEB site did a good job.  Andy
by'uul itfarrag  9alayy
--------->>> http://www.ili.com.eg/
Andrew Freeman
Ph.D. student, Arabic Linguistics
University of Michigan

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 12 21:07:55 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:07:55 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Introduction
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Date: 12 Apr 1999
From: Zuhair Maalej <zmaalej at gnet.tn>
Subject: Introduction

Dear colleagues,

I am an assistant professor of English at the University of Tunis I. My
name is Zouhair Maalej, a native speaker of Tunisian Arabic (TA). My
e-mail address is: zmaalej at gnet.tn

My interests include, among other things, Arabic rhetoric, Arabic
dialectology, contrastive rhetoric, the translation of metaphor
(English-Arabic). I have written a paper on the passive construction in
MSA and TA (forthcoming) and another one on conceptual metaphors in TA
(forthcoming). I am currently working on (i) the linguistics and
cognition of colours in TA and (ii) the translation of metaphor from TA
into English from a cognitive perspective (to be read in Tilburg next
July).

I hope to be able to exchange views with researchers having the same
interests, and I am sure that I will learn a lot from members of this
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 12 21:11:07 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:11:07 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: More on Immersion Programs
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1) Subject: A Similar Program
2) Subject: Information Websites

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Date: 12 Apr 1999
From: Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: A Similar Program

Greetings.

That impressive ILI program in Cairo sounds OK for basic acquisition. A
similar program available at UAE University in Al-Ain, Abu Dhabi, is
excellent for refreshing or enhancing one's foundation in MSA and
familiarization with the Gulf (Emirati) dialect of Arabic.

HTH.

Regards from Los Angeles,

Stephen H. Franke

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2)
Date: 12 Apr 1999
From: waheed samy <w_samy at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: Information Websites

Please visit one of the following two sites for information about
Arabic at the American University in Cairo.

http://mishmish.aucegypt.edu/~waheed/ali.htm
http://bdingana.aucegypt.edu/ali.htm

Waheed Samy

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 12 21:12:47 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:12:47 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: Arabic Literature Query
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Date: 12 Apr 1999
From: Ali Hussin <ahussin at study.haifa.ac.il>
Subject: Arabic Literature Query

I want to know if any one knows any references about the hudhaylians
poets. Is any body searching this field? If there any information, please
let me know.

Hussein Ali
University of Haifa
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Apr 13 20:55:49 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:55:49 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Gulf Arabic
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Date: 13 Apr 1999
From: John Leake <jleake at shikar.demon.co.uk>
Subject:  Gulf Arabic

Dear list members,

Does anyone know of any reviews - or have personal experience of -
Hodder & Stoughton's new "Teach Yourself Gulf Arabic"?  How does it
compare with Holes' "Colloquial Arabic of the Gulf and SA", or, indeed,
other Gulf Arabic materials?  Thanks for any aid on this!

John Leake

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 14 19:08:25 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:08:25 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Gulf Arabic Response
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Date: 14 Apr 1999
From: Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: Gulf Arabic Response

Greetings.

Could you kindly post here, or e-mail privately to me, the publisher data,
ISBN and address for this new book < Hodder & Stoughton's new "Teach Yourself
Gulf Arabic" > so I might examine a copy?

I doubt that there are many other one-volume "teach-yourself" types of books
on Gulf Arabic (GA) available.

Bruce Ingham's jewel of a paperback, entitled "The Simple Guide to Customs
and Etiquette in Arabia and the Gulf States" has many social expressions and
amenities.

Sir Donald Hawley's (1978) paperback entitled "Customs and Courtesies of the
Gulf Region" is very good and extremely useful for most-probable social and
private occasions. While that fine book is now out of print, it is worth your
tracking down from used bookstores or libraries.

====================

A few locally-published "Gulf Arabic Made Easy"-style paperbacks I saw for
sale in some hotel bookstores in UAE in late 1995 were pretty shoddy and of
very limited usefulness (plus each work had its own tortuous transliteration
system).

Most of those works resemble the trash churned out during the 1970s OPEC-boom
era when there was a wave of books of the genre of "Learn instant Arabic for
your business success in the Gulf."

===================

Another candidate, although a multi-volume product is:

Hamdi Qafisheh's series of paperback texts on Gulf Arabic, which series
consists of:

o  Basic GA level

o  Intermediate GA level

o  Reference Grammar

Published in the 1970s-1980s by the University of  Arizona Press in Tucson,
Arizona, might be helpful, although they require considerable time to get
through reading plus getting familiar with their unique systems of
transliteration. Audiocassette tapes are available for the first volume
(Ordered separately from the U of AZ Press or Dept of NE Studies).

===================

There are several larger and more academically-rigorous (plus better
researched) books (most in English and several in Arabic) on Saudi Arabian
and Gulf Arabic dialects, but they are beyond the genre of "teach yourself."

===================

Hope this helps.

Khair, in sha' Allah.

Regards from Los Angeles,

Stephen H. Franke

E-mail: < mutarjm at aol.com >
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 14 19:08:26 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:08:26 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: zaka:t & sha:wurma
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Date: 14 Apr 1999
From: Jim Rader <jrader at m-w.com>
Subject: zaka:t & sha:wurma

By way of introduction:  I am an etymologist at Merriam-Webster, a
dictionary publisher in Springfield, Massachusetts.  I have no
qualifications as an Arabist, in fact, I scarcely know any Arabic,
which is why I am addressing my questions to this list.  (Our
editorial department  is currently and for the near future without a
Semitic specialist.)

My first query concerns the word <zaka:t> (I use ":" to mark long a).
This word, according to the _Encyclopaedia Britannica_ article I am
reviewing, refers to "an obligatory tax required of Muslims, one of
the Five Pillars of Islam."  The English version of Hans Wehr's
Arabic dictionary, one of the few immediate references to which I
have access, has an appropriate-sounding entry for this word,, but
under <zaka:h>, not <zaka:t>.  In Wehr, <zaka:h> is defined as
"purity; justness, integrity, honesty; justification, vindication;
almsgiving, alms, charity; alms tax."  Is <zaka:t> the so-called
"construct form" and should <zaka:h> be shown as the primary form?
Or is <zaka:t> an independent word derivationally related to
<zaka:h>?  Any elucidation would be appreciated.

My second query concerns the Levantine Arabic word <sha:wurma> or
<sha:wirma>, defined by Wehr as "charcoal-broiled mutton, cut in thin
slices and arranged conically on a vertical skewer."  This word is
not listed under any root.  Is there an accepted etymology for the
word?  Any proposed etymology?

My gratitude for your patience and time.

Jim Rader
Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr 15 21:54:31 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:54:31 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: zaka:t and sha:wirma responses
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1) Subject:  zaka:t (same entry) & sha:wurma (Turkish)
2) Subject: sha:wirma (cevirme) & zaka:t (no neat solution)
3) Subject: Shah-warma = the king of meat
4) Subject: Shawarma is Turkish

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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Muhammad Deeb <mdeeb at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject:  zaka:t (same entry) & sha:wurma (Turkish)

(1) Zaka:h / zaka:t:

	*** "Zakaah" ("zaka:h") & "zakaat" are one and the same entry.  The
first is so pronounced in a pausal reading; the second, in either the
construct form, i.e., as first part of a genitive construction, or when it
is fully voweled.  Your observation that "zaka:h" should be at the head of
the entry rather than "zaka:t," which is contrary to the Hans Wehr system,
is more appropriate.  I would imagine Hans Wehr is following the Levantine
tradition of rendering the feminine suffix ("taa' marbuuTah / tied taa'")
into a taa', irrespective of its parsing, or position in given parlance.
Conversely, Egyptian & Sudanese pronunciation of the word in question is
"zaka:h," and of the Arabic daily, published in London, "Al-Haya:t."  Your
perceptive observation and a few other flaws in Hans Wehr, should be taken
into consideration in issuing updated and properly edited of this otherwise
indispensable dictionary.


(2) Etymology of Shawirmah:

	*** Because of its twin spellings (the first syllable being
variously short and long), this word is cross-referenced twice in Hans Wehr,
but without any etymological gloss, save its currency in Syria!  I, too,
this "oversight" surprising.  "Shawirmah" / "shaawirmah" ("sha:wirmah") is
of Turkish origin ("cevirme,"with a cedilla under letter "c.")

							M. Deeb

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University of Alberta,
Edmonton, Alberta,
Canada T6G 2E6

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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Michael Fishbein <FISHBEIN at humnet.ucla.edu>
Subject: sha:wirma (cevirme) & zaka:t (no neat solution)

Dear Mr. Rader,

I think I can help with the etymology of sha:wirma or sha:wurma. The word
is not
listed by Wehr under an Arabic root because it is a loan-word from Turkish.
The New
Redhouse Turkish-English Dictionary (1968) gives the following:

cevirme (begins with c-cedilla): lamb, etc., roasted on the spit.

The word is derived from the Turkish verb cevirmek (again, beginning with
c-cedilla,
pronounced like English ch): to turn, turn round; to rotate, spin; to roast
on the
spit.

So the etymology of shawarma (or however it is most commonly spelled in
English)
should be given as: "from Arabic sha:wurma or sha:wirma, from Turkish
cevirme" (c-
cedilla).

By the way, the word now used in Turkey for this style of roasted meat is not
cevirme, but doner kebap (o-umlaut), meaning "rotating kabob," from another
verb
meaning "to rotate." So, although the Arabic is derived from Turkish, it is
not
derived from the current Turkish word.

As for the problem of zaka:t or zaka:h, they are the same word. There
really is no
neat solution. Ordinarily, Arabic nouns are cited in their so-called pausal
forms,
that is, without the desinential endings that mark case. In effect, one is
citing the
stem of the word (as one does in citing Sanskrit nouns). In most Arabic
words, the
pausal form coincides with the stem, since in pause short vowels and final
n are
suppressed. The exception to this is nouns ending in the grammatical marker
-(a)t-
(the feminine marker, but it also has other functions). The pausal form of
such words
ends in -(a)h, not the expected -(a)t. Thus, the pausal form of zaka:t- is
zaka:h,
while the context form would be zaka:t- plus desinential ending, e.g.
zaka:tum,
zaka:tim, zaka:tam, for the nominative, genitive, and accusative respectively.

Another factor to consider is ordinary modern pronunciation. Most speakers
of modern
Arabic use zaka:t (with the t) as the spoken form of the word in all
occurrences.
This means that they treat words ending in -a:t/-a:h differently from words
ending in
-at/ah, where -at is preserved as the construct form, while -a(h) is
preserved as the
absolute form.

I suppose that to be consistent, one should cite zaka:h, if one cites words
like
madrasa(h), ka'ba(h), su:ra(h) in their pausal form. However, zaka:t (and
sala:t, dot
under the s) better reflect the typical pronunciation among Arabic speakers
today.
Furthermore, the Encyclopaedia of Islam, 2nd edition, uses salat (dot under
the s and
macron over the a) and zakat (macron over the a) for spelling and
alphabetizing the
words. So I think that salat and zakat would be preferable in your
etymology. It is
always safe to go with the Encyclopaedia of Islam.


********************
Michael Fishbein
Dept. of Near Eastern Languages & Cultures
University of California, Los Angeles
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1511

(310) 206-2229 (office, 389A Kinsey Hall))
(310) 206-6456 (fax)
fishbein at humnet.ucla.edu
********************

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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: "Chouairi, R. MR           DFL" <GR6548 at exmail.usma.army.mil>
Subject: Shah-warma = the king of meat

Friend
Shah-warma, means the king of meat.  It is not an Arabic word, although in
Levantine cooking Awarma is meat cooked in fat to be eaten mostly in winter.

I hope that helped you.
				Rajaa Chouairi
				  Abou Fouad

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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Haidar Moukdad <moukdad at GSLIS.Lan.McGill.CA>
Subject: Shawarma is Turkish

The word Shawarma is Turkish, as is the the case with many food item
names in the Middle East. That's why you can not find a root for this
word. Other examples are for Shish Tawuq (Grilled chicken) and Yabraq
(stuffed vine
leaves).

Haidar Moukdad
McGill University

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr 15 21:56:57 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:56:57 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L:PEDA: Arabic textbook
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1)
Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Rick L Sheridan <rlsquad at juno.com>
Subject: Arabic textbook

On the web I ran across the following book:

"Arabic Grammar: A First Workbook" by G. M. Wickens

This is described as a book for beginners. Is this for absolute beginners
or someone who has had a semester of Arabic?
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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:58:47 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: zaka:t & sha:wurma thanks
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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Jim Rader <jrader at m-w.com>
Subject: zaka:t & sha:wurma thanks

My collective thanks to those members of the list (Muhammad Deeb,
Hanna Kassis, Antoine Lonnet, Zouhair Maalej) who sent me copious and
helpful information on these words.

For list members who might be curious, the consensus is that
<sha:wurma> (and variants) is a borrowing from Turkish <cevirme>
(<cevirme> with a cedilla under the c for those who can't read it).
<Cevirme> is a verbal noun meaning literally "turning, rotation,"
from the verb stem <cevir-> "to turn."

Jim Rader
Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr 15 22:04:00 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:04:00 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: More zaka:t & sha:wurma Responses
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1) Subject: zak?h & sh?wurma
2) Subject: zaka:t & sha:wurma
3) Subject: 'zaka:t' & 'shawirma'

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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: Robert Langer <rlanger at ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
Subject: zak?h & sh?wurma

ad: zak?h

To quote from the standard in German orientalistics which is:

Die Transliteration der arabischen Schrift in ihrer Anwendung auf die
Hauptliteratursprachen der islamischen Welt. Denkschrift, dem 19.
internationalen Orientalistenkongre? in Rom vorgelegt von der
Transkriptionskommission der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft:
Brockelmann, Carl; [... et al.], mit Beitr?gen v. Ronkel, Ph. S. van und
Otto Spies. [The Transliteration of the Arabic Script in Its Application to
the Main Literature Languages of the Islamic World. Memorandum Submitted to
the 19th International Congress of Orientalists at Rome by the Commission
for Transcription of the German Oriental Society: [...]]. Leipzig: Deutsche
Morgenl?ndische Gesellschaft in Kommission bei F. A. Brockhaus, 1935. 2nd
ed. Wiesbaden, 1969: (p. [25]: [Transl. Langer: ...] this submissions of the
memorandum are valid as recommendations of the International Congress of
Orientalists [1935]);

which is identical to (although the above mentioned is far more detailed):

Umschrift des arabischen Alphabets./Conversion of the Arabic Alphabet. DIN
[= German Industrial Norm] 31 635. Normenausschu? Bibliotheks- und
Dokumentationswesen (NABD) im DIN Deutsches Institut f?r Normung e. V. (DK
003.332.5.034/.035) [s. l.] April 1982. {= more or less: ISO/DIS 233
Documentation: International System for the Transliteration of Arabic
Characters. Revision. Draft 1975; by the way: I would like to know if more
recent ed. of this stayed the same)}.

Die Transliteration [...]: III. 5) (p. 14-15) [Transl. Langer]
"The T?` marb?Tah (the t of the nominal feminine ending) [...] After long ?
it should be expressed  [...] always as -h (e. g. Sal?h, quD?h [and zak?h];
the usage to express it like Sal?t, quD?t [zak?t] a. s. o. which has become
common even in scientific papers should be dismissed!)."

ad: sh?wurma

The Arabic form sh?wurma (or sh?wirma) is of (Ottoman-)Turkish origin:
chevirme (?evirme), verbal noun of the verb chevirmek (?evirmek).
To quote from the standard dictionary for Ottoman Studies:

[Redhouse, Sir James/RadH?wS al-`Inkl?z?, Dj?ms]: Redhouse Yeni T?rk?e -
?ngilizce S?zl?k./New Redhouse Turkish - English Dictionary. Ed.: Alk?m, V.
Bahad?r; [... et al.] ?stanbul: Redhouse Yay?nevi, 1968; 12th ed. 1992.

p. 250:
"?evir=ir [?evirmek (chevirmek), in Arabic script:] ch-w-r-m-k
ch-w-y-r-m-k    ch-y-w-y-r-m-k    1. /?/ to turn, turn round; to rotate,
spin; to roast on the spit. [...]
?evirme [(chevirme), in Arabic script:] ch-w-y-r-m-h    1. verbal n. of
?evir=.    2. lamb, etc., roasted on the spit.    3. sweet made of sugar and
fruit juice. [...]"

Its the same meal as: "d?ner kebap    meat roasted on a revolving vertical
spit" (p. 311)

and the Greek "g?ros".

Robert Langer
Ruprecht-Karls Universit?t Heidelberg
Seminar f?r Sprachen und Kulturen des Vorderen Orients, Islamwissenschaft:
Osmanistik
Sandgasse 7
D-69117 Heidelberg, Neckar

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Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: MOHAMMED M JIYAD <mmjiyad at unix.amherst.edu>
Subject: zaka:t & sha:wurma

MarHaban,
The word <zaka:t> is the independent word derived from the root z-k-w, and
<zaka:h> is the dialect/spoken version of it. The most common meaning of
it is "almsgiving". As for the word <sha:warma> or <sha:wurma>, I believe
it is a word that is borrowed from Turkish.
Best.
Mohammed Jiyad

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3)
Date: 15 Apr 1999
From: akhalil at mail.bethlehem.edu
Subject: 'zaka:t' & 'shawirma'

Dear Jim,

With regard to 'zaka:t', the form ends with a -t in the construct
form but with -h pre-pausally.

As regards the word 'shawirma', the first vowel is short in
Palestinian Arabic. It could be a derivative of the verb 'shawaa",
which means 'to broil'.

Aziz Khalil

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 19 18:59:51 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:59:51 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: More zaka:t
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1) Subject: transcribing zaka:t
2) Subject: archaic (Aramaic?) convention

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Date: 19 Apr 1999
From: "R. Hoberman" <rdhoberman at ccmail.sunysb.edu>
Subject: transcribing zaka:t

Let me suggest a practical solution for transcribing the Arabic etymon of
English zakat and the like in English-language dictionaries.  The
normative Standard Arabic pausal form zaka:h doesn't explain the -t in the
English form zakat.  Since the word is often pronounced by Arabic
speakers as zaka:t, why not transcibe it as "zaka(t)"?  This should
satisfy the requirements of Standard Arabic, those Arabic speakers who say
zaka:t, and, most important of all, the curious English speaker who knows
no Arabic.  This would also work well in a revision of Wehr, too.

Bob
robert.hoberman at sunysb.edu

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Date: 19 Apr 1999
From: Klaus Lagally <lagally at linde.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>
Subject: archaic (Aramaic?) convention

As to <zaka:t> etc. :

I am not an Arabist, and I am far from my office now so that I cannot get
at any sources; but I recollect from memory that <zaka:t>, <.sala:t> as
well as <.haya:t> and <mi^ska:t> are special insofar as they obey an
archaic (from Aramaic?) writing convention, introducing a (silent) waw
before the final ta' marbuta instead of the expected 'alif which is
turned into a Qur'an madda instead; and that might well influence the
pronunciation in the pausal form to be -a:t instead of the common -a:h.

Any specialists around?

Klaus Lagally
--
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Institut fuer Informatik | Tel.  +49-711-7816392 |  Zeige mir deine Uhr,
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 19 18:54:12 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:54:12 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: "al-xubz al-Haafii" sequel
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1) Subject: "al-xubz al-Haafii" sequel

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Date: 19 Apr 1999
From: "A. FERHADI" <af3 at is2.nyu.edu>
Subject: "al-xubz al-Haafii" sequel

For those interested in the "al-xubz al-Haafii" discussion which started on
this list a while ago, there is some more in Arabic.  In today's (Thurs.
April 15th) London-based "Al-Hayaat" newspaper P. 17, Abbas El-Tonsi has
responded to what Ali Hasan Dawud had written in the same paper on Feb 4
under the rubric  "The Case of the 'al-xubz al-Haafii.'"

______________________________
Ahmed Ferhadi, PhD
Associate Professor
MES, New York University
______________________________

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 19 19:01:28 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:01:28 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: More sha:warma (sha:wirma)
Message-ID: <MON.19.APR.1999.130128.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: sha:wurma etymology

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Date: 19 Apr 1999
From: Louis Boumans <louis.boumans at gironet.nl>
Subject: sha:wurma etymology

" (..) Levantine Arabic word <sha:wurma> or <sha:wirma>, defined by Wehr as
"charcoal-broiled mutton, cut in thin slices and arranged conically on a
vertical skewer."?
?
The origin of this word is Turkish - as for many culinary terms in the
former Ottoman empire - : / c,evirme / a verbal noun derived from /
c,evirmek / "to turn around (sth.) " i.e. the skewer above or against
burning charcoal.
?
The current Turkish term for shoarma seems to be / do"ner kebab /; perhaps
in Turkish the two terms denote slightly different types of roasting,
depending on the kind of meat or the horizontal (c,evirme) versus vertical
(do"ner) orientation of the skewer?
?
Louis Boumans
Rijksuniversiteit Leiden, CNWS, Postbus 9515, 2300 RA Leiden, +31-71-527 41 36?

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 21 21:57:51 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:57:51 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: Mafia Query
Message-ID: <WED.21.APR.1999.155751.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Mafia

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Date: 21 Apr 1999
From: Peter A. Puleo <papuleo at prodigy.net>
Subject: Mafia

In doing research on the Mafia, it is my thinking that this word if
Arabic in origin.  I believe that the island of Mafia off the coast of
Tanzania may historically have an Arabic meaning.

I would appreciate it if you may be able to help me with the above idea.

Thank you,

Peter A. Puleo
papuleo at prodigy.net

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 21 21:54:12 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:54:12 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: "Silk al-`ayn li-idhhab al-ghayn" Query
Message-ID: <WED.21.APR.1999.155412.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: "Silk al-`ayn li-idhhab al-ghayn"

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Date: 21 Apr 1999
From: msyfried at mscc.huji.ac.il
Subject: "Silk al-`ayn li-idhhab al-ghayn"

Dear colleagues,
	does anyone know about an edition of the Sufi poem by `Abd
al-Qadir b. Muhammad b. `Umar al-Safadi (died in 1509 AD), entitled "Silk
al-`ayn li-idhhab al-ghayn"? Does anyone work on the edition of this work?

With best regards, Yohanan Friedmann


Institute of Asian and African Studies
The Hebrew University
Jerusalem 91905, Israel

Fax: +972-2-588-3658

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr 23 21:13:54 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:13:54 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: Mafia Response
Message-ID: <FRI.23.APR.1999.151354.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date: 23 Apr 1999
From: William Granara <granara at fas.harvard.edu>
Subject: Mafia Response

A more likely theory is that the word is a derivative of the Arabic root
ayn, fa', waw, which has the meaning of to guard, protect (forms III and
IV). This seems even more likely given the early history of the Mafia as a
vigilante group which protected the local population against the abuses of
outside (foreign) rulers. See Danilo Dolci's work.
 Regards, William Granara, Harvard U.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Apr 23 21:16:05 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:16:05 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: zakaat, hayaat, salaat
Message-ID: <FRI.23.APR.1999.151605.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: zakaat, hayaat, salaat
2) Subject:  Zakaat, etc. corrections

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Date: 23 Apr 1999
From: James Dickins <James.Dickins at durham.ac.uk>
Subject: zakaat, hayaat, salaat

There does seem to have been something special about the 'aa' vowel in
these words in Classical Arabic. The following are worth looking at:

1. Kitaab Sibawayh, Vol. 4, p. 85 'Baab cadad al-huruuf' (Maktabat
al-Khaanji edition, 1988)

2. Chaim Rabin, Ancient West Arabian, pp. 105-106 (London, Taylors Press,
1951)


James Dickins

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2)
Date: 23 Apr 1999
From: James Dickins <James.Dickins at durham.ac.uk>
Subject: Zakaat, etc. corrections

Sorry, I'll try again:

The Sibawayh page should have been p. 432.

Another reference I should have mentioned is:

A.A. al-Nassir, Sibawayh the Phonologist, p. 103 (pub. Kegan Paul
International)


James Dickins

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 26 16:10:01 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:10:01 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: More on Mafia
Message-ID: <MON.26.APR.1999.101001.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date: 26 Apr 1999
From: Paul Auchterlonie <J.P.C.Auchterlonie at exeter.ac.uk>
Subject: More on Mafia

Although published in 1972, Giovan Battista Pellegrini's Gli arabismi
nelle lingue neolatine is still a standard reference for Italian
(including Sicilian) words derived from Arabic. Pellegrini lists five
possible etymologies for "mafia" including the Arabic root `Ayn Fa
Waw.

----------------------
Paul Auchterlonie
Librarian for Middle East Studies
University of Exeter
Old Library
Prince of Wales Road
Exeter EX4 4PX
U.K.
Tel.: 01392 264051
Fax.: 01392 263871
E-Mail: J.P.C.Auchterlonie at exeter.ac.uk

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Apr 26 16:09:10 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:09:10 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Printing in MS Arabic Word
Message-ID: <MON.26.APR.1999.100910.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date: 26 Apr 1999
From: "Br. Sumair, GM/F" <sumair at iname.com>
Subject: Printing in MS Arabic Word

why is it that when i TYPE a document under MS Arabic Word 97 (and MS Win 98
with Arabic Support) i have no problems, but when i try to PRINT all the
diacritics vanish??

am i the only person who cannot print the diacritics/harakaat?


Br. Sumair, GM/F

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:49:50 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:49:50 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Arabic Word Responses + New Question
Message-ID: <WED.28.APR.1999.114950.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: tools\options\print
2) Subject: Response + New Question

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: waheed samy <w_samy at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: tools\options\print

You might be able to get rid of this problem if you go to
tools\options\print
and disable background printing.

Waheed

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2)
Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Jan Hoogland <j.hoogland at let.kun.nl>
Subject: Response + New Question

Sumair,
change the settings to No Background Printing
(Options, printing etc.).

However, Arabic diacritics come out well after changing this setting,
but printing the roman characters with diacritics, like e', e", e^ etc.
doesn't work with me, as a matter of fact whole lines simply disappear in
printing.
So, one question answered, new question posed.
Who can answer mine?

Jan


Jan (Abu Samir) Hoogland
Department of Arabic, Nijmegen University (the Netherlands)
PO Box 9103, NL 6500 HD Nijmegen, the Netherlands
phone +-31-24-3615676, fax +-31-24-3500719, E-mail: J.HOOGLAND at LET.KUN.NL

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:51:09 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:51:09 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: GEN: Job announcement
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1) Subject: Arabic Lecturer

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Farouk Mustafa <f-mustafa at uchicago.edu>
Subject: Arabic Lecturer

The Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations at the
University of Chicago announces the opening of the position of Lecturer in
Arabic starting the Autumn Quarter, 1999 (late September), for two years,
renewable.  Duties will include teaching Elementary and Intermediate Modern
Standard Arabic.  This is not a tenure-track position.

Applicants should have native or near-native proficiency in Modern
Standard Arabic and extensive teaching experience. A Ph. D. is desirable
but not required.

Applicants should send a curriculum vitae and three letters of
recommendation, by June 15, 1999, to:

                             Arabic Search Committee
                             Department of Near Eastern ?Languages and
Civilizations
                             1155 East 58th Street
                              Chicago, IL  60637

The University of Chicago is an equal opportunity employer

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:55:44 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:55:44 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: Modern South Arabian research
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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Sam Liebhaber <slieb at uclink4.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Modern South Arabian research

I would like to contact either Marie-Claude Simeone-Senelle or Antoine
Lonnet about their field research in Yemen and Oman.  Is it possible to
contact them through e-mail?  And if so, are their e-mail addresses
available?

thank you,
Sam Liebhaber, graduate student, UC Berkeley
slieb at uclink4.berkeley.edu

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:45:46 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:45:46 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: Dictionary of Semantic Associates
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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Sami Boudelaa <sami.boudelaa at mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Dictionary of Semantic Associates

  Any body knows of a reliable Arabic-Arabic dictionary of semantic associates?

Sami Boudelaa
MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit,
15 Chaucer Road,
Cambridge,
CB2 2EF. UK
Telephone : +44 1223 355 294 ext 522
Fax: +44 1223 359 062

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:46:55 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:46:55 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Textbooks Query
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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: "Nadia G. Yaqub" <nyaqub at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Textbooks

I am posting this message for a friend who will be teaching a 5-week, 6
hour per week Arabic course in Seattle.  The students are community
members with a variety of goals--some are interested in Business Arabic,
others in just learning some words before a planned trip to the M.E., and
others have more academic interests.  As currently organized, the course
involves a combination of MSA and something approximating educated spoken
Arabic. Majid, who will be teaching the course will be keeping the
combined format, but is having trouble finding suitable textbooks.  He is
using Alif Baa by Brustad et al. which he finds to be satisfactory, but
would like some advice on good textbooks that teach dialect (preferably a
Levantine dialect, but Egyptian would also be fine).  He is not interested
in textbooks that use transliteration rather than the Arabic script for
teaching dialect.  Any suggestions or advice that you can provide would be
much appreciated.  Majid can be reached at:

mshihade at u.washington.edu

Thanks, Nadia

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 23:19:50 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:19:50 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: AML Call for Papers
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1) Subject: Conference on Analogical Modeling of Language (AML)

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Kirk Belnap <rkb at email.byu.edu>
Subject: Conference on Analogical Modeling of Language (AML)

FYI: We expect at least two or three papers focusing on Arabic at this
conference.  For example, Dil Parkinson and I are working on Arabic broken
plurals.

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     	Conference on Analogical Modeling of Language (AML)
                       Call for Papers


 Date:	Thursday and Friday, 23-24 March 2000
 Location:	Brigham Young University (BYU)
                Provo, Utah USA


The purpose of this conference will be to bring together researchers in
Royal Skousen's theory of analogical modeling of language (AML) as well as
various other exemplar-based approaches to describing language. Most of the
conference will concentrate on AML, but invitations to present are extended
to other exemplar-based researchers who have compared AML with their own
work.

Brief description of AML:

During the last two decades, as rule approaches have encountered
difficulties explaining language behavior, several competing non-rule
approaches to language have been developed. First was the development (or
rejuvenation) of neural networks, more commonly known in linguistics as
connectionism. More recently, numerous researchers have turned to
exemplar-based systems (sometimes known as instance-based systems or "lazy
learning") to explain language behavior. These exemplar-based learning
systems involve hunting for the most similar instances ("nearest
neighbors") to predict language behavior. A more general theory of the
exemplar-based approach is Royal Skousen's analogical modeling of language,
which permits (under well-defined conditions) even non-neighbors to affect
language behavior.

Confirmed invited speakers:

Walter Daelemans
(Antwerp, Tilburg)
Comparing nearest neighbor approaches and AML

Bruce Derwing
(University of Alberta)
Experimental testing

Steve Chandler
(University of Idaho)
Psycholinguistic evidence

David Eddington
(Mississippi State)
Applying AML to Spanish morphology

Doug Wulf
(University of Washington)
Applying AML to German plurals


Submission information for papers to be presented at conference:

      Detailed abstract (approximately 1000 words) due 1 December 1999
      Submit by email to aml-conf at byu.edu (plain ASCII, PDF or Postscript
only)
      or by regular mail to:

      Royal Skousen
      Department of English
      Brigham Young University
      Provo, Utah 84602
      USA

      Preliminary draft of full paper due at time of conference
      Publication plans: major academic publisher, negotiations underway

In addition to the public conference on 23-24 March 2000, there will be:

      Tutorial sessions on AML on Wednesday, 22 March 2000:

            overview of AML
            developing datasets
            running the AML software
            using other instance-based approaches

      Expert sessions in research on Saturday, 25 March 2000

            groups applying AML to specific language problems


Local organizing committee for the conference:

Royal Skousen
Deryle Lonsdale
Dil Parkinson
Bill Eggington

with the assistance of other members of the AML research group at BYU:

Paul Baltes
Don Chapman
Dana Bourgerie
Kirk Belnap

For more details about the conference, as well as papers and the Perl
program that runs AML, see the AML website:
http://humanities.byu.edu/aml/homepage.html

For specific correspondence with the organizing committee, send e-mail to:
aml-conf at byu.edu or write to:

 Royal Skousen
 Department of English
 Brigham Young University
 Provo, Utah 84602
 USA

Possible support available from BYU's Kennedy Center for International
Studies for scholars from outside the U.S.

Anticipated costs:

Nominal conference fee: includes lunches on Thursday and Friday, plus
handout materials (abstracts)

Similar nominal fee for the tutorial sessions on Wednesday

Travel to Salt Lake City; shuttle services from airport to Provo (currently
about $40 for roundtrip) or car rental

Hotels and motels in Provo area:
            currently from $38 to $79 per day
            hotels include breakfast, plus shuttle to BYU

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 23:17:45 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:17:45 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: MA in E/A Translation Query
Message-ID: <WED.28.APR.1999.171745.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: MA in English/Arabic Translation in North America

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Salah Maduh <salmaduh at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: MA in English/Arabic Translation in North America

Hi,

Anyone out there knows of a university in North America that offers a full
MA program in English/Arabic translation or interpreting!

Thanks in advance.

Salah
New Jersey

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 23:14:18 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:14:18 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: New Members of AATA Exec. Board
Message-ID: <WED.28.APR.1999.171418.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: New Members of AATA Exec. Board

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: AATA <aata at byu.edu>
Subject: New Members of AATA Exec. Board

To all members of the American Association of Teachers of Arabic:


The votes have been tallied and we are pleased to announce the new
members of the AATA Executive Board for the year 2000.  Congratulations
to Nabil Abdelfattah, Hussein Elkhafaifi, and Jackie Murgida, we are
excited to have you on our Board!   We appreciate so much all the
nominees who were willing to serve.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Wed Apr 28 23:12:32 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:12:32 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Textbook Response
Message-ID: <WED.28.APR.1999.171232.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: RE: Textbook for integrated approach

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Date: 28 Apr 1999
From: Kirk Belnap <rkb at email.byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Textbook for integrated approach

If your friend prefers to do Levantine alongside MSA, I would suggest
Munther Younes' Elementary Arabic: An Integrated Approach (Yale Univ.
Press).  If he would like to take a look at a sample chapter, he can order
it from AATA.  See: http://humanities.byu.edu/AATA/packetrequestform.html
or contact my assistant at <aata at byu.edu>.

Here is the blurb contained on the website:

_____ Living Arabic [the pre-publication title, I believe], Part One.
Munther A. Younes (Pre-publication version)
Combines the teaching of MSA with the Levantine dialect. Designed to teach
students to read, write, and speak Arabic in order to live in Arab
countries. Functional rather than structural syllabus. Teacher's manual,
accompanying tapes.

I'm sure Munther <may2 at cornell.edu> would be happy to send your friend some
info. on the book.  It's definitely worth taking a look at.  Your friend
may also want to take a look at Munther's article:

"An Integrated Curriculum for Elementary Arabic," pp. 233-55 in:

Al-Batal, Mahmoud (ed.). 1995. The Teaching of Arabic as a Foreign
Language: Directions and Issues. Provo, Utah: American Association of
Teachers of Arabic.

(This is an important book for those involved in teaching Arabic.  If your
friend doesn't have it, it is available from AATA <aata at byu.edu> for $19.99
for AATA members, $25 for other individuals, and $35 for institutions.)

At BYU we also employ a combined approach, simultaneously teaching Cairene
as the spoken variety while using MSA mostly for print matter.  We're very
pleased with the results, as are the students.  We use a packet of
materials to supplement the textbook.  We switched this year from EMSA to
AL-KITAAB and are currently revising our packet to better work with
AL-KITAAB.  At least one other institution is using our packet--as is (or
was).  If your friend would like to take a look at our approach, have him
get in touch with me.  That goes for anyone else who might be interested.

Best,

Kirk


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            Kirk Belnap
	    Executive Director
	    American Association of Teachers of Arabic
            4072 JKHB
            Brigham Young University
            Provo, Utah 84601
            telephone: 801/378-6531
            fax: 801/378-5866
            email: rkb at email.byu.edu
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr 29 17:17:16 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:17:16 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LIT: MA in E/A Translation Response
Message-ID: <THU.29.APR.1999.111716.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: MA in E/A Translation Response

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Date: 29 Apr 1999
From: Bill Turpen <BTURPEN at ossm.edu>
Subject: MA in E/A Translation Response

     I believe there is such a program at the King Fahd Middle East
Studies Center at the University of Arkansas.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr 29 17:18:56 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:18:56 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: PEDA: Textbooks Response (#2)
Message-ID: <THU.29.APR.1999.111856.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Interactive Multimedia

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Date: 29 Apr 1999
From: GnhBos at aol.com
Subject: Interactive Multimedia

We wish Majid and the community students the best at learning Arabic.
AramediA carries Arabic language learning interactive multimedia.
Although all titles that we have will teach you Modern Standard Arabic
(MSA), "Arabic Made Easy" will teach the Egyptian dialect, and may
be  most  suited for your needs. Moreover there is a Free Demo that
you may download from our site:

  http://www.aramedia.com/atutors.htm

Best Regards,

George N. Hallak        Microsoft Sakhr Arabic Islamic Software
AramediA Group          T 617 825-3044 F 617 265-9648
761 Adams Street        mailto:sales at aramedia.net
Boston, MA 02122, USA   http://aramedia.com

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Apr 29 17:21:27 1999
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:21:27 -0600
Subject: ARABIC-L: LING: Spanish Fish Names in Arabic
Message-ID: <THU.29.APR.1999.112127.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Spanish Fish Names in Arabic

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Date: 29 Apr 1999
From: DWILMSEN at aucegypt.edu
Subject: Spanish Fish Names in Arabic

I have a list of common names of fish in Spanish which I have been asked to
translate into Arabic for the Hilton Hotel in Cario.  Apparently they want
to make an order of some cases of fish (hundreds of them) and want to know
what they are buying (or what they might want to buy).

I have found some of the names on on-line dicitonaries (of course not the
Arabicnames) and will eventually proceed to look for their Arabic
equivalents.

I have also asked the translators on Lantra-L and have, as ususal, been
answered quickly.  (That is a wonderful resource.  We have used it repeatedly
to solve problems in translation.  Of course there are no Arabic translators
on that list, or at least not many.  But at least we can find someone who
knows something and then nitSarraf ba'a.)

The trouble is that I now have many names for these fish.

I am going to try to find matches in al-mawrid, and then will assume that those
are the ones known in the Arab world.  And then check them against Hinds and
Badawi.  We'll see what turns up.

I make this request by means of sharing an intersting problem with you all,
maybe in the hopes of opening up a discussion about Arabic translation in
general on this list.  And also to see if I can save a little time.

Those pesky fish are as follows:

verrugato
sable
gallina
pargo
burro
besugo
roncador
corvina
pompano
sargo

bi alf hana wa shifa

David Wilmsen
Arabic and Translation Studies
American University in Cairo

Oh and by the way.  Notice that some of the names are common Spanish names
but clearly with specialized meanings.

I am nearly native in Spanish, and a fisherman to boot.  But I don't know any
fish names in Spanish.  Actually the Arabic ones confuse me too.  I know them
and I know what I like to eat (nearly all of them), but I cant tell you which
ones are which without having recourse to good old Badawi and Hinds!

eat up y'all

david

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