From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  2 16:34:55 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:34:55 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Enrollment Bump responses
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2) Subject: Enrollment Bump response
3) Subject: Enrollment Bump response; 'boutique majors'  query

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1)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: Raji Rammuny <raram at umich.edu>
Subject: Enrollment Bump response

Dear Kirk:
Slamat;

We have 2 students who wanted to add Arabic, but at this late date we
discouraged them to enroll. However, we allowed 2 journalists and 1
professor of Archeology and 1 graduate student of Anthropoloy to
audit Arabic classes at their levels. Best.

Raji

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2)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: John Nawas <John.Nawas at arts.kuleuven.ac.be>
Subject: Enrollment Bump response

Dear Kirk,
A European perspective:
Here at the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium -- classes have just
started -- the enrollment is exactly the same as it was last year: 14 new
majors for Arabic and Islamic Studies. During the week of the tragedy the
pre-registration remained the same. Some of us thought more would want to
study Arabic and Islam while others thought that the events would have the
exact opposite effect: stay away.
(On the other hand, I have been told that the enrollment for Japanese has
surprisingly jumped this year to 28 new majors -- wasn't there a recession
in Japan?)
In other words, I, too, share your interest but I cannot explain ..... All
the best, John Nawas.

John Nawas, PhD
Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies
Katholieke Universiteit Leuven

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3)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: dwilmsen <dwilmsen at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: Enrollment Bump response; 'boutique majors'  query

Apropos of bumps in enrollment, I have just seen an unfamiliar term in an
article about low enrollments in Arabic and Middle East studies programs (I
can't remember where, I am reading a lot of forwarded articles lately).  The
article described these programs as "boutique majors".  Any idea what that is
supposed to mean?

David Wilmsen
Director, Arabic and Translation Studies
The American University in Cairo
28 Falaki Street
Bab El-Louk
Cairo, Egypt
tel:  2 02 7976872
fax:  2 02 7957565

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  2 16:32:35 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:32:35 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:need addresses
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1)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: Catherine Miller <miller at mmsh.univ-aix.fr>
Subject: need addresses

I 'm looking for Janet Watson's and Farida Abu Haidar's addresses
(email or post)

Thank you
Catherine Miller

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  2 16:31:04 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:31:04 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LIT: JAL: Current and Upcoming Issues, Call for Papers
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Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: reposted from Arabic-Info
Subject: JAL: Current and Upcoming Issues, Call for Papers

****THE JOURNAL OF ARABIC LITERATURE****


Executive Editor, Suzanne Stetkevych		Publisher, E. J. Brill
Indiana University				P.O. Box 9000
                                                 2300 PA Leiden
Editorial Board:				The Netherlands

Federico Corriente
University of Saragossa

Muhsin Jassim Al-Musawi
American University in Sharjah

Editorial Assistant, Paul B. Nelson
Indiana University

"jal at indiana.edu"
----------------------------------------------------------

CURRENT ISSUE (JAL 32:1)

Articles:

SENSIBILITY AND SYNAESTHESIA: IBN AL-RUMI'S SINGING SLAVE GIRL
AKIKO MOTOYOSHI, Notre Dame Women's College of Kyoto

AL-RABITAH AL-QALAMIYAH, 1916
RICHARD ALAN POPP, Georgetown University

BLINDNESS TO BLINDNESS: TRAUMA, VISION AND POLITICAL CONSCIOUSNESS IN
GHASSAN KANAFANI'S RETURNING TO HAIFA
IAN CAMPBELL, Emory University

Review Article:

ABU TAHIR AL-SARAQUSTI, Las sesiones del Zaragoci : relatos picarescos
(maqamat) del siglo XII.  Tr. Ignacio Ferrando (reviewed by Douglas C.
Young, Stanford University)

Reviews:

JAMES E. MONTGOMERY, The Vagaries of the Qasidah: The Tradition and
Practice of Early Arabic Poetry (reviewed by Devin Stewart, Emory
University)

HOSSAIN BOUZINEB, Literatura de " castigos " o adoctrinamientos : Edicion,
estudio linguistico y literario y glosario (reviewed by Maria T. Narvaez
Cordova, University of Puerto Rico)

***************
UPCOMING ISSUE: Special issue on 'Abd al-Wahhab al-Bayati

**********************************************************************

Vol. 32, No. 2	Special Issue:  "PERHAPS A POET IS BORN OR DIES":
				THE POETICS OF 'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI
**********************************************************************

'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI'S "ODES TO JAFFA"
HUSSEIN N. KADHIM, Dartmouth College

THE MASKS OF 'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI
ISSA J. BOULLATA, McGill University

THE LIVES OF THE SUFI MASTERS IN 'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI'S POETRY
SAADI A. SIMAWE, Grinnell College

THE MISE-EN-SCENE OF 'WRITING' IN AL-BAYATI'S AL-KITABAH 'ALA AL-TIN
MOHAMMAD R. SALAMA, University of Wisconsin, Madison

DEFAMILIARIZATION IN THE POETRY OF 'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI AND T. S.
ELIOT: A COMPARATIVE STUDY
AIDA O. AZOUQA, The University of Jordan

'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI'S POETICS OF EXILE
MUHSIN JASSIM AL-MUSAWI, The American University in Sharjah



                         CALL FOR PAPERS

THE JOURNAL:

Since its inception in 1970 the Journal of Arabic Literature has provided
an international scholarly forum for the discussion of Arabic literature.
The Journal publishes literary critical, comparative and historical
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and literary theory, in addition to specialists in Arabic and Middle
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NOTES FOR CONTRIBUTORS:

We invite you to contribute to the Journal.  Please send submissions to:
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English, submissions are also accepted in French and German.  Manuscripts
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  2 16:31:54 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:31:54 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:More Acronyms
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2) Subject: More Acronyms

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1)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: Tim Buckwalter <TimBuckwalter at aol.com>
Subject: More Acronyms

Here are some native Arabic acronyms that take the form of verbal nouns:
basmala, Hamdala, Hawqala, and sabHala.
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2)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: Iman Soliman <halleluiah3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: More Acronyms

Hello
Here are some more
El Commissa Comesa
(Al fao) FAO
(Al opec) OPEC
(El si ai eh) CIA
(Al ke gi bi0 KGB
Al Em bi si ) MBC
Eh are ti) ART
El bi bi si) BBC
Si en en ) CNN

Hope these are helpful
Good luck
Iman

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct  4 15:06:26 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:06:26 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:Acronyms
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1) Subject: Acronyms vs. blends
2) Subject: more acronyms
3) Subject: more acronyms
4) Subject: UNSCOM

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1)
Date:  04 Oct 2001
From: "sattar.izwaini at stud.umist.ac.uk" <Sattar.Izwaini at student.umist.ac.uk>
Subject: Acronyms vs. blends

It is important to differentiate between acronyms and blends. Some
of the examples given, such as basmala, Hamdala, Hawqala, and
sabHala, are actually blends where words are clipped and joined
together to generate a new word that produces other words such
as verbs, adjectives and adverbs, e.g. basmala: yubasmil,
mubasmilan etc.
Acronyms, on the other hand, are roughly initialisms. First letters
of words that compromise an expression are put together. An
acronym are usually pronounced as a word. It normally refers to an
entity, such as organizations and governmental institutions etc.
Examples: UNESCO, FatH.

Kind regards

Sattar Izwaini

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2)
Date:  04 Oct 2001
From: mughazy <mughazy at students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: more acronyms

Dear members of the list
Here are some more acronyms that are read as independent letters

Sad, laam, meem     Salla allhu 3alihi wasalam
geem, meem, 3ien    gumhureyyet maSr al-3arabiyya (Arab Republic of Egypt)
sheen, meem, meem   sharika maSreyya musaahima
qaaf, meem          qabl al-meelad (B.C.)
meem                meeladeyya (A.D.)
heh                 hijreyya (A.H.)
qaaf, 3ein          qiTaa3 3aam (public sector),
                     Also quwaat musallaHa (armed forces)
teh                 telifoon (phone)
seen, teh           segel tugaari (business record)
Saad,beh            Sandooq bareed (Postal Box)
sheen               street
Saad                SabaaHan (a.m.)
meem                masaa?an (p.m.)
geem                geneih (Egyptian pound)
kaaf, meem          keelo metr (kilometer)

Some titles
alef                ustaaz (Mr.)
daal                doctor (Dr.) or (prof.)
alef, daal          ustaaz doktoor
meem                muhanddis (engineer)
seen                sabeq (former)

There are many more register-specific ones that you can find only in
classified ads.
Hope these help

Mustafa A. Mughazy
Graduate student
Depatment of Linguistics
University of Illinois
Urbana Champaign

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3)
Date:  04 Oct 2001
From:  Jackie Murgida <jmurg at star.net>
Subject: more acronyms

Also, there's sl`m [sallaa allahu `alayhi wa-sallam, I think]...right? Which
I've seen as PBUH in English. And AlAkh [for ilaa aakhirihi].
Jackie

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4)
Date:  04 Oct 2001
From:  Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: UNSCOM

Greetings / tahaiya tayyiba wa b3ad...
Yaa halla biljemaa3.

UN Special Commission on Iraq (common English acronynm of UNSCOM) appears in
Arabic media as

        unsiikowm < alif-noon-seen-kaf-waw-miim,
                        also sometimes as < alif-noon-seen-yaa-kaf-waw-miim >.

American media reference were: "UNS-com" ("uns" pronounced as in "buns").

HTH. Khair, in sha' Allah.
Regards,
Stephen H. Franke
(UNSCOM inspector, Baghdad, 1991)

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct  4 15:07:01 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:07:01 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Enrollment Bump response
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Date:  04 Oct 2001
From: Farouk Mustafa <fawm at midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Enrollment Bump response

Enrollment in Elementary Arabic at the University of Chicago has
tripled; we now have three sections compared to just one in the past.
Farouk

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:26:39 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:26:39 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:New Book
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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Ignacio Ferrando Frutos <ignacio.ferrando at uca.es>
Subject: New Book:History of Arabic Language

A new book on the history of Arabic language (in Spanish) written by
Ignacio Ferrando (Cadiz University, Spain).
A new book has appeared dealing with the history of Arabic language:
Its title is "Introducción a la historia de la lengua árabe. Nuevas
perspectivas", Zaragoza, 2001 (270 pages). It offers a comprehensive
view of the main phases of the Arabic language, starting from its
position within the Semitic languages phylum, following with the
contrast between Southarabic and Northarabic, Protoarabic
inscriptions, Arabic before Islam (ancient dialects), the emergence
of the so-called poetic koiné, the Coran and preislamic prose and
poetry, the work of Arabic grammarians and their efforts to
standardize the language, the emergence of diglossia and the
Neo-Arabic lingual type, Middle Arabic, the emergence of Neo-Arabic
dialects, Modern Standard Arabic and the nowadays linguistic
situation in the Arab world. It includes, at the end of each chapter,
a "further reading" section, and also a commented comprehensive
bibliography (45 pages). As an appendix, readers will find a
selection of ten texts edited in Arabic and translated into Spanish
dealing with some aspects of the history of Arabic, trying to bring
the reader closer to Arabic sources and critical studies.
The overall aim of the book is to present a critical review of what
we know about Arabic language through its history. In doing so,
attention is constantly paid to the dialects of Arabic, for classical
standard Arabic, in spite of its historic and cultural primary
importance, is nothing but another variety of Arabic, and it is well
known that many an archaic linguistic feature is better preserved in
the dialects than in classical usage. So it is important not to
forget the data provided by Arabic dialects in trying to explain
diachronic development.

Orders may be sent to Portico Librerias (e-mail
portico at zaragoza.net). The current prize is 22.84 € euros (about 20
U.S. $).

Ignacio Ferrando
Area de Estudios Arabes
Facultad de Filosofía y Letras
Universidad de Cádiz

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:35:25 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:35:25 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:Transliteration of Arabic in Quark
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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: "Prof D.J. Mattingly" <djm7 at leicester.ac.uk>
Subject: Transliteration of Arabic in Quark

Dear list members,
I have a query about the transliteration of Arabic (use of long vowels,
etc) within the DTP package Quark. Does anyone have experience of (a)
setting these up in Quark and (b) (better still) know of a way of not
losing this formatting when importing text from Word into Quark. I am
trying to assist a copy editor in this process, so any help will be most
gratefully received.

Thank you,

David Mattingly
Professor of Roman Archaeology,
School of Archaeological Studies,
University of Leicester,
Leicester, LE1 7RH, UK
Tel: (00-44-)-(0)116-2522610
Fax: (00-44-)-(0)116-2525005
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:39:36 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:39:36 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Acronyms
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1) Subject: Acronym refs query
2) Subject: More Acronyms
3) Subject: Alternate meanings of Acronyms

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1)
Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Kirk Belnap <rkb at email.byu.edu>
Subject: Acronym refs query

I'd be curious to know if anyone could recommend any work done on Arabic
acronyms.  I'm asking for a colleague.
Best,
Kirk

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2)
Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: More Acronyms

How about, for an example in the Qur'aan,  Suura[t]  Taa'  haa'
for Suurah #20.                  --Mike Schub

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3)
Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Waheed Samy <wasamy at umich.edu>
Subject: Alternate meanings of Acronyms

>qaaf, 3ein          qiTaa3 3aam (public sector),

I would like to add, as a bit of background information,
that, for some, qaaf 3ein, which used to be a plate that
was affixed to automobile license plates, also signified qat3an 3arS

There are other such instances.  For example,
there was a soap called G 11 (giim HidAshAr).
One interpretation of that G 11 was
gawa3tuuna waaHid waaHid

Waheed
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:36:12 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:36:12 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:bosta info
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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Srpko Lestaric <srpkole at EUnet.yu>
Subject: bosta info


A year ago we had this topic discussed on the list. However, just
have a look at what I found out the other day in A Dictionary of
Vernacular Terms and Expressions (qaamuus al-muSTalaHaat wa
at-ta3aabiir al-sha3biyya -- mu3jam lahji ta'Siili folklori) by Ahmad
Abu Sa'd, Librairie du Liban, Beirut, 1987, p.365:

buusTa: (min al-'iiTaaliyya Posta, naxla L159): ma3naahaa fi al-'aSl
markaba 'aw miHaffa xayl li-naql al-musaafiriin wa al-bariid, wa
tuTlaq 3indanaa 3ala sayyaara naql al-rukkaab al-kabiira. j: buusTaat.

and a few lines before that:

'uutuubiis: (min al-faransiyya Autobus): sayyaara kabiira tanqul
al-rukkaab. wa lafZa 'uutuubiis shaa'i3a fi al-madiina 'ammaa fi
al-qura fa-yaquuluun "buusTa".

The author is a Lebaneese and the dictionary is more than a piece of cake.

Regards,
Srpko Lestaric

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:29:38 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:29:38 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:@
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1)
Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu.
Subject: @

I have been asked by an editor what Arabs call @.  It seems like this
has been brought up here before, but I couldn't remember the answer.
So:
1) what do you call it when referring to the typological symbol (the
'at sign')?
2) what do you call it when spelling out an e-mail address?
thanks,
Dil
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:33:44 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:33:44 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Tufts , Birmingham, Wellesley Jobs
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1) Subject: Tufts job
2) Subject: Birmingham Job
3) Subject:Wellesley Job

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1)
Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: reposted from Arabic-Info
Subject: Tufts job

Tufts University
Assistant Professor of Arabic Language and Literature
beginning Sept. 2002; tenure track

Area of research interest: Arabic literature/culture, period open

Required: PhD in Arabic literature/culture by time of appointment; native or
near native fluency in both Arabic and English; teaching experience at the
college level highly desirable;

Responsibilities include: teaching two courses per semester in Arabic
language and literature; advising students and directing independent studies;
building and, in the future, directing the Arabic Program; active research
and publication; demonstrated excellence in scholarship.

Letter of application, CV and three letters of recommendation should be sent
directly to: Professor Vida Johnson, chair, Department of German Russian and
Asian Languages and Literatures, Tufts University, Medford, MA 02155. Review
of applications begins November 15 and continues until the position is
filled.

Tufts University is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity employer. We are
committed to increasing the diversity of our faculty. Members of
underrepresented groups are strongly encouraged to apply.

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2)
Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: reposted from Arabic-Info
Subject: Birmingham job

THE UNIVERSITY OF BIRMINGHAM

LECTURER IN ISLAMIC STUDIES

Required with a specialism in Qur'an and Hadith and to contribute
especially to the development of the undergraduate programme in Islamic
studies. You will have a PhD or be very close to completing a PhD in a
relevant field, be fluent in English and competent in Arabic language and
have teaching experience at degree level. Ref A30916/01


LECTURER IN ARABIC LANGUAGE AND CULTURE

Required to contribute to the undergraduate programme in Islamic studies
and to the development of Arabic language teaching in the Department and
the School. You will have a PhD or be very close to completing a PhD in a
relevant field, be fluent in both Arabic and English Language and have
teaching experience at degree level. Ref A30917/01

For both posts, salary on a range 20,267 - 24,193.

Application forms (returnable by 23 October 2001) and details from
Personnel Services, The University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, Birmingham
B15 2TT, tel: 0121 414 6481 web: (http://www.bham.ac.uk/personnel/).
Please quote relevant reference.

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3)
Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: reposted from Arabic-Info
Subject: Wellesley job


Wellesley College, Massachusetts
Arabic

Wellesley College seeks applications for a one-year, non-tenure
track appointment (with possibility of renewal) in Arabic language,
beginning in Fall 2002. The successful candidate will have responsibility
for teaching two courses in Elementary and two courses in Intermediate
Modern Standard Arabic. Native or near-native fluency is required, and
language teaching experience is preferred. Salary is competitive and
commensurate with credentials. Wellesley College is an Equal Opportunity,
Affirmative Action educational institution and employer; successful
candidates must be able to work effectively in a culturally diverse
environment. Applications from women, minorities, veterans, and candidates
with disabilities are encouraged. Please send letter of application,
curriculum vitae, graduate transcripts and three letters of reference to
Arabic Search Committee, c/o Department of Religion, Wellesley College,
106 Central Street, Wellesley, Massachusetts 02481. Deadline for
applications: December 14, 2001.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:40:27 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:40:27 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Enrollment Bump response
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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Raji Rammuny <raram at umich.edu>
Subject: Enrollment Bump response

We at the U  of M have  four sections of Elementary Arabic, two
sections of Intermediate Arabic, 19 Undergrad concentrators in Arabic
and 20 graduate students in Arabic and Islamic Studies.
Raji

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  9 15:19:32 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:19:32 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:@ response
Message-ID: <TUE.9.OCT.2001.091932.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1)
Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Hossam Ibrahim <hdilinguistics at yahoo.com>
Subject: @ response

Dear Dil,
It's rather controversial.  As a native speaker of Egyptian Arabic, I
refer to the symbol saying "at" when spelling emails.  Otherwise,
there is a tendency to avoid referring to these symbols as much as
possible (@#^).  I only know the English words for them, and most of
the people use the English word when they refer me to any of these
symbols.  However, I am not sure if it is a coincident that happens
with me alone.
Regards,
Hossam

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  9 15:16:16 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:16:16 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Statement Text query
Message-ID: <TUE.9.OCT.2001.091616.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu>
Subject: Statement Text query

Hi,
I have had several students ask me where they can find the text of
Bin Laden's statement in Arabic.  I was easily able to find what
looked like a couple of good translations of it in English on the
Web, but was unable to locate a copy of the Arabic original.  Does
anyone have a web address where I could get it?
Thanks,
dil

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  9 15:17:51 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:17:51 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Acronyms
Message-ID: <TUE.9.OCT.2001.091751.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Acronyms
2) Subject: Acronyms refs ref

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1)
Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Manfred Woidich <mwoidich at hotmail.com>
Subject: Acronyms

Another Egyptian acronym:  shiin kaaf 3een is used to ridicule the
Shara'wa, i.e. the inhabitants of the province ishSharíyya. It is an
abbreviation of shar'aawi kawirk 3abiiT and is of course
reinterpreted by the Shara'wa as shar'aawi kariim 3aZiim.

Manfred Woidich

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2)
Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: Acronyms refs ref

  Dear Kirk,
      Please contact  <sattar.izwaini at student.umist.ac.uk>
about acronyms.
      Best wishes,                --Mike Schub

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  9 22:10:16 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:10:16 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Statement websites
Message-ID: <TUE.9.OCT.2001.161016.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Statement websites

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1)
Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu>
Subject: Statement websites

I got over twenty responses to my request for sites.  Thanks to
everyone.  I'm not going to post them all, but will post the first
ones that arrived and one with a little extra info. Translations (not
necessarily perfect) of the text can be had at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1585000/1585636.stm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/08/world1/world13.html

One Arabic class in our department had students listening, following
along, and looking up words in the translation that they were
unfamiliar with and it was pretty exciting for them to feel
'current'.  So thanks again for your help.
Dil

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Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Youb Benyoucef <sakhrus at erols.com>
Subject: Statement websites

[these URLs include both the written text in Arabic and the streaming video]

http://www.elaph.com:9090/elaph/arabic/frontendProcess.jsp?SCREENID=article&
COMMAND=fe.article&FEPAGEPARM=1002493570416644600

http://alsaha.fares.net/sahat?14 at 154.0q7sbFRX3oc^5 at .eedc2e9


http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/streams/video/2001/10/7/1_59233_1_12.ASF

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Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Dale Frakes <dfrakes at egr.up.edu>
Subject: Statement websites

Hello everyone!
I was lucky enough to be recording Al Jazeera when they released his taped
statement.  I have recorded into my computer the statement made by Bin
Laden after the bombing started in Afghanistan. This recording is
available on my website in MP3 format at:
http://www.egr.up.edu/contacts/dfrakes/arabic
Look down at "news" and it's the first item.  It is just over a megabyte,
so even over a modem, it should only take about 5 to 10 minutes to
download.
This isn't the full text that was requested, but he speaks in a clear
manner, and with the texts of the translations available as a reference,
it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with a transcription.
I hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Dale Frakes
PS I also have the statements of Aiman Al-Thowahari (sp?) the leader of
Islamic Jihad Movement (from the same tape).  If anyone wants that, I can
produce it as well.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:22:29 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:22:29 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:More Info on Statement
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.112229.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: More Info on bin Laden Statement
2) Subject: More Info on bin Laden Statement
3) Subject: Info on handwritten note source
4) Subject: request for handwritten note text

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1)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: nagwa hedayet <nhedayet at yahoo.com>
Subject: More Info on bin Laden Statement

The text is in an article on page #4 in   the Egyptian news paper "
al- djomhouriyya" dated Mon. 8th of Oct.  May be you can get it from
their home page.
Nagwa Hedayet

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2)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Ola Moshref <omoshref at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: More Info on bin Laden Statement

Bin Laden's statement was published in the Egyptian Al-akhbar newspaper of
Monday October 8th, page 6.

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3)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: Info on handwritten note source


FYI, re the multi-page letter left by the terrorists on the Sep 11
attacks: The FBI has released images of the letter that had been sent
to the terrorists who carried out the attacks on New York and
Washington.

You can find them on the FBI Press Release pages:
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/attack/arabic/letter.htm
Quality of the imagery is not too great, plus parts of the
handwriting are hard to discern.
HTH.  Khair, in sha' Allah.
Regards from Los Angeles,
Stephen H. Franke

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4)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Brian D Bishop <bdb at email.byu.edu>
Subject: request for handwritten note source

I've seen images of the handwritten Arabic note that was found in the
luggage left by the hijackers, but have not been able to locate a copy
of the text.  Would anyone know where that could be found?  Thank you,
Brian Bishop

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:29:21 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:29:21 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:@ sign
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.112921.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: @ sign
2) Subject: @ sign

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1)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: "Christopher M. Bennett" <cbennett3 at cox.rr.com>
Subject: @ sign

There is a discussion of the ³@² at the following link

<http://home.bluemarble.net/~langmin/@name.htm>http://home.bluemarble.net/~langmin/@name.htm

and a somewhat longer discussion

<http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/7/7-968.html>http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/7/7-968.html

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2)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: ahmed abboud <ahmedabboud at hotmail.com>
Subject: @ sign

Hossam's question is quite relevant to what almost the majority of
Arabic speakers feel(I'm an Iraqi living in Sweden).
Dear Hossam,
You know that when there's no correspondence to certain terms in a
foreign language the best way is to transliterate that term into
Arabic that's to say to render a phonetic transfer of the term into
Arabic and the second step is to make that term as suitable as
possible to the Arabic sound system(phonology), ex.:Democracy.
Best regards,
Ahmed

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:25:55 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:25:55 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:ALC Arabic Linguist job
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.112555.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: ALC Arabic Linguist job

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Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: American Association of Teachers of Arabic <aata at wm.edu>
Subject: ALC Arabic Linguist job


>  ALC is currently recruiting experienced Arabic linguist that meet the
>following qualifications:
>
>  * Must be a US Citizen
>* Must have been granted or be able to obtain a minimum of a DoD SECRET
>security clearance  (no Felony record)
>* Must be able to pass the US State Department Test for Arabic into English
>and English into Arabic (both written and spoken)
>* English ability must be at a minimum of a ninth grade US High School level
>* Must pass a medical physical to determine your fitness to deploy into one
of the locations where we have personnel
* Must have a valid US Driver's license (issued by any State) and obtain an
International Driver's license
* Recommend you have a US issued Tourist Passport although not required (we
will process you for an Official US Passport)
* Must have or obtain all required immunizations for travel into overseas
locations
* Must be familiar with word processing programs (Microsoft Word) and be
somewhat computer literate
If you meet the following qualifications and you're interested please send
an updated resume by email to Humanresources at alcinc.com or fax to
301-881-6877.

Dolores Hernandez
Marketing Specialist
AllWorld Language Consultants Inc.
172 Rollins Ave.
Rockville, Maryland 20852
301-881-8884
888-818-0101
301-881-6877 fax
www.alcinc.com
www.alc.tv
www.alcsecurity.com

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:26:37 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:26:37 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Needs info on History of Arabic Language Book
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.112637.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: "Abu-Abbas, Khaled Hasan" <kabbas at ku.edu>
Subject: Needs info on History of Arabic Language Book

Greetings all,
I'm very interested in the new book"History of Arabic Language". The problem
is that I don't know Spanish.I wonder if the author could provide me with
the English references he used. I'll be grateful.
My e-mail is kabbas at ku.edu
Thank you all.
Khaled Abu Abbas
University of Kansas

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:23:41 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:23:41 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LIT:Iraqi Literature and Art Expo
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.112341.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Iraqi Literature and Art Expo

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1)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Saadi Simawe <simawe at grinnell.edu>
Subject: Iraqi Literature and Art Expo

A Symposium and exhibition on Iraqi literature and art to be held at
Grinnell College in Iowa next year on 29-31 January, 2002. The
exhibition of Iraqi painting will continue through March. For more
information, contact Saadi Simawe and Kay Wilson Jenkins, at
simawe at grinnell edu and jenkins at grinnell.edu

And visit the site

http://www.grinnell.edu/faulconergallery/iraq/
Saadi A. Simawe

E-Mail:simawe at grinnell.edu   English/Africana Studies Concentration
(641) 269-4804 office
Grinnell College                                 Fax:(641)269-4985
Grinnell, IA 50112

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:27:23 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:27:23 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:More Acronyms
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.112723.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: More Acronyms

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1)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Jan Hoogland <j.hoogland at let.kun.nl>
Subject: More Acronyms

Here some acronyms which I can't remember to have seen in the earlier
responses:

taa'		tilifuun
jim		jawaab (in police reports for ex)
sin		su'aal (same)
dhal		'ustaadh (lawyer, judge etc.)
sin taa'	sijill tijaariyy (trade register)
sin mim	centimetre
shin		shaari3 (street)
Saad		SafHa (page)
Saad Baa'	Sunduuq al-bariid (P.O. Box)

Jan

Jan (Abu Samir) Hoogland
Department of Arabic, Nijmegen University (the Netherlands)
PO Box 9103, NL 6500 HD Nijmegen, the Netherlands
phone +-31-24-3615676, fax +-31-24-3500719, E-mail: J.HOOGLAND at LET.KUN.NL
website: http://www.let.kun.nl/~j.hoogland/

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:42:10 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:42:10 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:the Phoenix
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.114210.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu>
Subject: the Phoenix

A colleague of mine is researching the myth of the phoenix, and he
finds refernces to an origin in Arabic (the word 9anqaa').  He would
like to know if there is a myth associated with this legendary bird
in Arabic, and if anyone knows of any mideaval sources for this myth.
thanks.
dil

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:16:21 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:16:21 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Phoenix responses
Message-ID: <FRI.12.OCT.2001.161621.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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2) Subject: Phoenix response

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1)
Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: "Munther A. Younes" <may2 at cornell.edu>
Subject: Phoenix response

Part of the story "Wakeel al-Bahr wal-TayTawa" in the "Lion and Ox"
chapter of Kalila wa Dimna by Ibn al-Muqaffa9 deals with al-9anqaa',
the queen of the birds.

Munther Younes
Cornell University

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2)
Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: Phoenix response

See *1001 Nights* (translated by E. Lane), Chap 20, n.22; and
Lane's Dictionary, p. 2177, Column 1, middle.
[The Hebrew cognate means "giant."]  Best wishes,
                                       Mike Schub

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:07:14 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:07:14 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:@ sign
Message-ID: <FRI.12.OCT.2001.160714.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1)
Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: Devin Stewart <dstewar at LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Subject: @ sign

It might interest people to know that the name for @ in Spanish is
actually of Arabic origin:
@ in Spanish is  arroba < Ar. ar-rub3
originally meaning 25 pounds, or one quarter of a qinTaar > Sp. quintal.

Devin Stewart, Chair
Department of Middle Eastern Studies
Emory University
Atlanta, GA 30322
(404) 727-4625 ; fax (404) 727-2133

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:17:13 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:17:13 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Online Arabic to English Translation from Sakhr
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Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: Digitek <sakhrus at erols.com>
Subject: Online Arabic to English Translation from Sakhr

Press Release_________________________________________________________

Digitek International,
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Online Arabic-to-English Translation from Sakhr

Online Version Gives the Gist of Al-Jazeera and Other Arabic Sites

Washington, October 11, 2001- Get the gist of Arabic news and
websites, such as Al-Jazeera TV's website at
<http://www.aljazeera.net/>www.aljazeera.net, in English. Digitek
International is pleased to announce that Sakhr Software has put the
latest beta version of its Arabic-to-English translation software
online at
<http://tarjim.ajeeb.com/ajeeb/default.asp?lang=1>http://tarjim.ajeeb.com/ajeeb/default.asp?lang=1.

Like beta versions of all machine translation tools, the output is
not perfect but it certainly does give a good sense of the Arabic
article it translates. Try it on leading news sites such as
<http://www.al-hayat.com/>www.al-hayat.com,
<http://www.alahram.org.eg/>www.alahram.org.eg,
<http://www.moheet.com/>www.moheet.com, or
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/arabic>www.bbc.co.uk/arabic and read what the
Arab press is saying in Lebanon, Egypt, and elsewhere.

The Tarjim website is a free service to the world community. It
translates webpages as well as copied or typed in text. Once you use
Tarjim to translate one page on a website such as Al-Jazeera, a click
on any link on that page will take you to another automatically
translated webpage. Tarjim also enables you to use Arabic search
engines such as Dalil to search for a story and get the results in
English.

For a taste of what Sakhr's Arabic to English translator will soon
become try the English to Arabic direction on Tarjim. Sakhr's English
to Arabic translator was its first machine translation product and
yields much higher quality results. The free online English to Arabic
translator allows you to choose specific topic areas to sharpen the
accuracy of the translation.

Sakhr Software's translation development team updates the Tarjim
Arabic to English translator daily with improvements. While most
software development houses would hesitate to give public access to
an unfinished product, Sakhr realizes that many people are more
interested in knowing what the Arab press and websites are saying
than in having a perfectly constructed translation. For the curious,
the translation site provides an opportunity to track daily the
improved accuracy and speed of a work in progress.

Sakhr is the world's leading developer and publisher of Arabic and
bilingual speech, translation, and document handling software. It's
product line includes a wide range of customized solutions as well as
retail products for language learning, language resources, children's
entertainment, and family software. Digitek International represents
Sakhr Software in North America.

For more information, contact:

Mark Meinke, Digitek International, (703) 8830134

or email: info at sakhrus.com


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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:17:59 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:17:59 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Harvard Job
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Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: William Granara <granara at fas.harvard.edu>
Subject: Harvard Job

Please post. Many thanks, wg


POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT

PRECEPTOR IN MODERN ARABIC LANGUAGE

Harvard University

The Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations
seeks applications for a preceptor in Modern Arabic beginning September
2002.  The position is renewable on a yearly basis, not to exceed eight
years.

The successful applicant should be familiar with the issues of
teaching Arabic as a foreign language, have experience in teaching all
ilevels of Modern Standard Arabic, have native or near native proficiency
in Arabic, and must be able to conduct upper level courses in Arabic.
Specialization in modern Arabic literature or Arabic intellectual history
is highly desirable.

Letters of application (accompanied by CV and names and addresses
of referees) should be sent no later than December 30, 2001 to:

Prof. William Granara
Harvard University
Center for Middle Eastern Studies
1737 Cambridge St.
Cambridge, MA  02138

[Harvard University is an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer
and does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, sex, sexual or
affectational preference, age, religion, national or ethnic origin.]

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:19:36 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:19:36 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:CBS Wants You
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Date:  12 Oct 2001
From:  GnhBos at aol.com
Subject: CBS Wants You

Dear List Members,

Please respond to the following message, directly. You may mention
how you got his contact information:

--
Hi, I'm a segment producer for a Major News Network in New York City.
I'm researching a story on Arab Americans who are interested in helping
the U.S. government by working as translators.  If you have applied to be
a translator for a government agency,  I'd love to chat with you as to
why you're interested in helping.  I'm looking to profile someone for a
news story I'm doing.  If you're interested in chatting with me please call
or email me.  My name is Michael Kaas.  My email is:  mk1 at cbsnews.com
My phone number at work is 212-975-7805. Thanks so much.
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:20:36 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:20:36 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Help in Understanding Bin Laden Statement
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Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: "Robert R. Ratcliffe" <ratcliffe at tufs.ac.jp>
Subject: Help in Understanding Bin Laden Statement

?I downloaded a text of Bin Ladin's statement on Monday from the
Labanese newspaper as-Safiir, and have been reading it with my
students. There are some things in it I don't understand. There also
appear to be some mistakes and omissions in the English version
available on Yahoo, but perhaps there are different versions of the
original. Anyway, I wonder if list members could help me with the
following

1. What does "mujanzar" mean? Wehr's dictionary gives "track-laying
vehicle,"  but does it refer to some specific piece of equipment?

2. How do you translate "taCiith fasaadan". Wehr gives "wreak havoc,
lay waste" But the Yahoo (AP?) translation is "infest"

The relevant passage is: daxala dabbaabaat wa mujanzaraat
isra'iiliiya l-taCiith fii 'arD filisTiin fasaadan.
Yahoo's translation:"Israeli tanks infest Palestine"
I believe this says "Israeli tanks and ?mujanzaraat? entered
Palestinian territory to wreak havoc"

3. My text has the phrase "Calaa hadhihi al-fi'a alatii xarajat
taqarru bi-diinihaa (?bi-dainihaa) ilaa allah"

The last part of this phrase is obscure to me, but I think it says
"Against this group which has gone out committed in its religion to
God." (or possibly to settle their debt to God?)

The Yahoo translation of this bit has " to this treachery , and they
want to wag their tail at God." This makes me think that their
original has "fitna" for "fi'a" and dhail (dhal-yaa-lam) for diin
(dal-yaa-nuun). The phrase following this doesn't correlate at all
with my Arabic text, by the way.

Anyway, thanks for your help with this.

Salaam,

Robert

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:21:29 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:21:29 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Degree Via Distance Learning?
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Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: Chris Holman <veracocha at hotmail.com>
Subject: Degree Via Distance Learning?

Hello friends...

I am curious as to what schools, if any, in the U.S. or abroad offer
a degree in Arabic, Middle Eastern Studies, or related fields through
a distance learning program. I have a student who has accumulated
Arabic credits through his schooling at the Defense Language
Institute and he is trying to apply them to a degree in Arabic but
the University of Oregon doesn't offer one at this time. Any help
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris Holman
Arabic Instructor
Yamada Language Center
University of Oregon
Chrish at oregon.uoregon.edu

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:23:37 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:23:37 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:Needs Translations of Words in Transliteration
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Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: Mischa KK Bagley <mischa333 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Needs Translations of Words in Transliteration

Greetings. Would anyone be good enough to give me the
Arabic words for the following 10 terms with your
answers in the Roman alphabet: (1) life; (2) activity;
(3) active; (4) busy person; (5) curious; (6) meeting
place; (7) party; (8) society; (9) going out; (10)
gregarious.

Also, can anyone refer me to a website where I can
consult an English-Arabic dictionary or get an
English-Arabic translation with responses in the Roman
alphabet.  I'm a writer with a fairly frequent
requirement for this facility at the moment.  Many
thanks in advance.  Mischa KK BAgley

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 15 14:04:00 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:04:00 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Degree Via Distance Learning response
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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: GnhBos at aol.com
Subject: Degree Via Distance Learning response

The Arab Academy is pleased to announce the launching of its School.
The school offers Arabic as a Foreign Language for Years 1 - 12.  The
school is the perfect solution for families as it allows young children
to study Arabic from wherever they are and be supervised by
professional teachers who are native speakers of Arabic.  Group
Licensing for educational institutions is also available.  Huge
reductions for family registration.

To register for the school visit:
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The Arab Academy's university has been running since
September 2000 and over 2500 students from 90 countries
have studied Arabic online via the Academy.  The university
serves individuals and institutions.

To register for the university visit:
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The Arab Academy's library serves institutions with ongoing
Arabic language programs as it provides them with a large
variety of online interactive resources: activities, games and tests.

To register for the library (institutions only) visit:
http://www.arabacademy.com/Subscription_Resource_Center_e.htm


For more information, contact AramediA.

Best Regards,

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 15 14:02:34 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:02:34 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:'Needs Translations' Responses
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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: GnhBos at aol.com
Subject: 'Needs Translations' Response

Salaam Mischa,

An Nakel, Machine Translation software, provides an online
free service. For more information: Contact AramediA.

Dictionary online:
http://www.cimos.com/DictNet.htm

Translation online:
http://www.cimos.com/TradNet.htm

Best Regards,

George N. Hallak
http://www.aramedia.com
mailto:info at aramedia.com
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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: dwilmsen <dwilmsen at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: 'Needs Translations' Response

Hello,

One thing you should take into account is that translation is usually carried
out into the so-called "modern standard Arabic", which is a variety that
no-one speaks.  So if you are looking to pepper your text with realistic terms
from dialogue, you had better not just rely upon any translation (there is an
entry on Arabic-L about an on-line English to Arabic translator, have you seen
it?).

That is one thing.  The other is that the colloquial terms for everyday
concepts will vary from place to place, usually falling out into broad dialect
areas (eg. Egyptian, Levantine, Penninsular and Gulf, Yemeni, North African)
with many sub-dialects within those broad areas.

Lastly, the transaltion of any individual terms often depends upon context
(this is true, of course, with any language).

That being said, the Egyptian Arabic for your terms are as follows:



(1) life

el-hayaa

(2) activity

nashaat Pl. anshita

(3) active

do you mean an active person?

if so  nashiit, fem nashita

(4) busy person

do you mena he or she is busy right now or very often busy?

then he is mashghuul, she is mashghula


(5) curious

do you mean he or she is curious, in the sense of wondering about things?

then he is faduul, she is fadula

(6) meeting place

There is no particular name for this in Egyptian, if by that you mean a
regular hangout for the gang.  There are some such words in highly classical
Arabic, which someone might use humoroulsy - and perhpas not be understood.
The word for "place" is "makaan".

i'll ask my wife if there is any particularly Egyptian word for hangout.

(7) party

hafla

(8) society

mugtama

(9) going out

I suppose you mean this as it migh be used in "I am going out tonight?"

the actual event is called khuruga, I coould say "ana (I) khaarig" i.e., "I am
going out"  You would say "ana kharga".  The two of us would say "ihna
khargiin"

(10)gregarious

igtima'i  (ther is an Arabic sound represented here by the apostrophe.  this
is not to accurate since there is another sound also represented in
transliteration by the apostrophe.  The sound in igtima'i is also somtimes
represented as an a superscript c or a backwards questiopnmark or sometimes a
9.  In smoothly flowing English writing none of these, excpet perhaps the
superscript, are terribly appealing.  What are you writing, BTW?)

Good luck

David Wilmsen
Director, Arabic and Translation Studies
The American University in Cairo
28 Falaki Street
Bab El-Louk
Cairo, Egypt
tel:  2 02 7976872
fax:  2 02 7957565

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 15 14:05:47 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:05:47 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Phoenix response
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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: Srpko Lestaric <srpkole at EUnet.yu>
Subject: Phoenix response

There is an article on al-3anqaa' by 3abd al-jabbaar maHmuud
al-saamarraa'i in Baghdadi periodical "al-turaath al-sha3bi", 9/1972,
pp.97-102.

Best wishes,
Srpko Lestaric

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 15 14:05:01 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:05:01 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Acronyms
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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: nagwa hedayet <nhedayet at yahoo.com>
Subject: Acronyms

Dear colleague,
I do not think that dhal is used for  'ustadh or judge  but in all
instances I know of it is used for  : doctor (physician) or
university professor.

Nagwa Hedayet
Hedayet Institute for Arabic Studies
72,Rd. # 10
Maadi ,Cairo, Egypt

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 15 13:59:41 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:59:41 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Gulf Pidgin Arabic query
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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: catherine miller <catherine.miller at wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Gulf Pidgin Arabic query

I'm looking for references on a 'Gulf Arabic Pidgin'
Thanks
Catherine Miller

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 15 14:11:30 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:11:30 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Understanding Bin Laden text
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3) Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text
4) Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text
5) Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

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1)
Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: Ola Moshref <omoshref at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

1. mujanzar: from janziir (Persian) = a chain ('il-munjid dictionary)
                                                     in MSA it means a large
steel chain
what we understand from mujanzaraat is strong bulky equipment of war or
destrruction.

2. taCiith = to spoil  / Catha fii maali-h = wasted his money ('il-munjid)
we usually use it in collocotion with fasaad to mean spread evil.

3. Cala hadhihi il-fi'a allati xarajat tafirru bi-diini-ha ila alla
he said tafirru meaninig to flee
when someone leaves one's country, that is oppresive, seeking God's refuge,
one is fleeing away to God in hope that God would safeguard one's religion
and beliefs from being corrupted.

Ola

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2)
Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: Chris Holman <veracocha at hotmail.com>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

1. What does "mujanzar" mean?

Answer: Mujanzara is an Armored Vehicle.  

2. How do you translate "taCiith fasaadan". Wehr gives "wreak havoc,
lay waste" But the Yahoo (AP?) translation is "infest"
The relevant passage is: daxala dabbaabaat wa mujanzaraat
isra'iiliiya l-taCiith fii 'arD filisTiin fasaadan.

Answer: I'm not sure what you are representing with the C in taCiith
but it could be ta'sees which would mean
establishing/instituting/forming......fasaadan is talking about
corruption/immorality/vainness/etc.  So in summary this phrase could
mean that the Israeli tanks and armored vehicles entered, for the
establishment/making/creating a corrupt/perverted/unsound Palestinian
Land.  (Due to their presence...much like the U.S. presence in
Saudi...at least to Bin Laden.)  

3. My text has the phrase "Calaa hadhihi al-fi'a alatii xarajat

taqarru bi-diinihaa (?bi-dainihaa) ilaa allah"

The last part of this phrase is obscure to me, but I think it says
"Against this group which has gone out committed in its religion to
God." (or possibly to settle their debt to God?)

Answer: I think you are right.  However, Diin is a more correct
transliteration because dain, to me, when said would mean Debt.
Dain/Dayoon.  Whereas Diin or Deen is religion.  deen/adeean.  Fia is
more like organization than group but the meaning is still there.

I haven't looked at the Arabic text yet but this is my take going off
of your transliteration.  Hope it helps a bit.

Chris Holman

<mailto:Chrish at oregon.uoregon.edu>Chrish at oregon.uoregon.edu

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3)
Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: Akram Khabibullaev <athabib at ias.edu>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

Dear colleague,

"mujanzara" means caterpillar vehicle, and "'aatha (ya'iith, ta'iith)
fasaadan" - to sow evil. Baranov's dictionary gives these meanings.

Best wishes,
Akram Khabibullaev

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4)
Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: Waleed Al-Amri <waleed at talk21.com>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

in order to understand the Bin Laden discourse and how it came to be
translated as such one has got to keep in mind a number of things:

1- that bin laden's discourse combines the political tirade and, to a much
greater degree, the religious sermon, to address the mind and stir emotions,
respectively. Such a combination of generic elements is entirely appropriate
in socio-textual practice of language cultures such as militant religious
Arabic. It has been used by intellectual sheikhs in Saudi Arabia in their
lectures (sermons) since the late 80s or what is known as Sahwa (lit.
awakening). This type of discourse is characterised by lexical repetition,
parallelism, intertextual references, sustained metaphors and
over-lexicalisation which is a means of foregrounding by drawing attention
to prominent lexical choices that relay a discourse and create a text world
in which external enemies are identified on both political and moral
grounds.

2- When such a text is given to a translator he/she has to make a number of
decisions based on linguistic necessities, at the level of lexical selection
(collocation imagery and so on), and political constraints (pressures). Both
will be informed by the skopos (purpose) that the initiator (the one who
gives the task) puts forward. There are broadly two techniques for the
translation of such a text: domestication, i.e. getting rid of the foreign
element, or more likely  foriegnization, keeping the form and the flavour of
the original, which in a way works to highlight the "alienness" of the
original and thus supporting the fear of the unknown that some people might
have: whatever the translator is told to do my guess is the feel of Bin
Laden's stamen is very different between the Arabic original and its English
translation (s). It also has to be said that such a translation is
characterised by hetro-glossia, presenting many voices. The translator's
draft will be subjected to mediation by, say, the editor to make it serve
certain purposes. It is a media war as much as any other form of war!

3- As for 'dabbaabaat wa mujanzaraat' my guess is that they both mean one
and the same thing and that is only a tautology necessiated by the occasion
and/or how people are used to them both coming together in Arabic just like
"aiding and abetting", "null and void", "ways and means". Mujanzaraat comes
from Janzeer which is the metal chain that tanks use instead of tyres.

4- "Calaa hadhihi al-fi'a alatii xarajat taqarru bi-diinihaa (?bi-dainihaa)
ilaa allah", it is interesting how Yahoo superimpose a reading over this
sentence through a clearly mediated translation. The last part is confusing
because 'taqarru' should have been 'tafirru', i.e. flees with its religion
to God from temptations and pressures just like the young people of the cave
in the Quran. The group that Bin Laden talks about think that if they stay
in their "corrupt" "unislamic" societies they will be swayed away from their
beliefs by the temptations of life or the conniving and coercion of their
governments.

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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: ahmed abboud <ahmedabboud at hotmail.com>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

Good Day Robert R, Ratcliffe!
You know very well that when it comes to the translation of religious
quotations one has to consult a good tafsiir-book (al-jalaalayn ,for
example).Then once the meaning is clear there'll be no problem in
translating the texts,because we're talking about a high-styled
language,especially when it comes to arabic.Besides,personal opinions
in this respect can be very misleading.Good luck.
Best regards,
Ahmed
Sweden
Zenitgatan 8,
415 21 Gothenburg

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Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:36:03 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Classical Arabic Computer Corpus to be available
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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Abdel-Hamid Elewa <Abdel-Hamid.Elewa at student.umist.ac.uk>
Subject: Classical Arabic Computer Corpus to be available

I am happy to announce that a Classical Arabic Corpus will be
available soon. This 10m. word corpus includes a variety of genres:
theology, philosophy, linguistics, science, fiction, biography,
proverbs, poetry in addition to Hadith and Qur'an. Its lifespan covers
the first four centuries of Islam.
   yours
   AbdelHamid Elewa
Elewa
Department of language engineering
Centre for Computational Linguistics
UMIST
Manchester
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Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:34:38 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:U. of Washington Job
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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Terri Deyoung <tdeyoung at u.washington.edu>
Subject: U. of Washington Job

Lecturer Position in Arabic Language

The Department of Near Eastern Languages & Civilization, University of
Washington, invites applications for a three-year full-time lecturer
position in modern Arabic language, to begin in September 2002, with the
possibility of further renewals subject to professional review in
accordance with university regulations.  Ph.D. required.  Applicants must
have native or near-native competency in Modern Standard Arabic and
English. In addition, they should have similar fluency in at least one
colloquial Arabic dialect.  They should be thoroughly familiar with the
principles of proficiency-based language instruction and have at least one
year of experience in teaching in such a program. Duties will include
teaching and supervision of Beginning, Intermediate and Advanced Arabic
and working with faculty on the assessment of the program, training of
teachers, and materials development. Candidates are also expected to have
expertise in the applications of Computer Assisted Language Learning
(CALL) and/or Distance Learning technologies. Please submit a CV, cover
letter with brief description of teaching philosophy and methodology, and
three letters of recommendation, as soon as possible to Prof. Terri
DeYoung, Chair, Arabic Search Committee, NELC, Box 353120, University of
Washington, Seattle, WA 98195-3120. Teaching evaluations and other
supporting materials may be included at the applicant's discretion.
Priority will be given to applications received by December 15, 2001. The
University of Washington is building a multicultural faculty and strongly
encourages applicants from female and minority candidates.  The University
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Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:41:15 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Discussion Group on use of Islamic terms in English
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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: reposted from LINGUIST
Subject: Discussion Group on use of Islamic terms in English

[moderator's note: I thought some of you might like to see this note
about a discussion list that will include as part of the discussion
the nature and perception of Islam in the West and of Muslim terms as
used in English.]

Date:  Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:32:50 +0100
From:  "Sarah Nichols" <sarah at sarahnichols.com>
Subject:  ET Electronic - new English Today electronic discussion group

English Today: The International Review of the English Language has just
launched a new, moderated electronic discussion group. The discussion has
been kicked off by a thoughful piece from Tom McArthur on English and 'the
war on terror'.

'The explosions of the 11th September in Manhattan continue to reverberate,
and English is reverberating with them. To date, three broad language issues
appear to have emerged in response to unprecedented disruption and
destruction: first, the implications for the English of politics, religion,
economics, war, peace, technology, and terrorism itself; second, the
actions, style, and usage of the American president and government; third,
the nature and perception of Islam in the West and of Muslim ('Islamic')
terms as used in English.'

If you would like to participate in this discussion, or initiate others on
any aspect of the English language, join in at
http://www.cambridge.org/forums/etelectronic

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:45:13 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Gulf Pidgin Arabic Response
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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: kassem wahba <kassem_wahba at yahoo.com>
Subject: Gulf Pidgin Arabic Response

Dear Professor Miller,

Unfortunately, not much is written about pidgin
Arabic spoken either in the Gulf or in Pakistan or
Afghanistan. As for the Gulf Arabic, You can find few
hints in Hamdi Qafisheh works  (1975,1977,1979) on
generally gulf Arabic, but his focus was on United
Arab Emirates Arabic (AbuDhabi educated dialect. Here
is his works
Qafisheh, Hamdi A. 1975. A Basic Course in Gulf
Arabic. Tucson: University of Arizona Press.

Qafisheh, Hamdi A. 1977. A Short Reference Grammar of
Gulf Arabic. Tucson: University of Arizona Press.

Qafisheh, Hamdi A. 1979. Gulf Arabic: Intermediate
Level. Tucson: University of Arizona Press.

There are few Hints also in Clive holes works in 1984,
and 1990, on Gulf Arabic.
  The problem is most of these people have worked on
the Arabic spoken mainly by Arab speakers, but not on
the Arabic spoken by non-native speakers of other
nationalities such as Indians,Pakistani,
Afghani, Persians and others especially when
they communicate either with the native Arabic
speakers or within themselves.

Regards
Kassem Wahba
Johns Hopkins University
The Arabic program

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct 16 19:57:07 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:57:07 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Understanding bin Laden response
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1) Subject: muhanzar
2) Subject: video of text
3) Subject: Understanding Bin Laden Text
4) Subject: Understanding Bin Laden Text
5) Subject: Where's the Bismallah?
6) Subject: bin or ibn, and other comments

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1)
Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: mujanzar

Greetings to all / tahaiya tayyiba wa b3ad..

Re: << mujanzar >>  in the context of the cited news item = tracked combat
vehicles (not tanks) that carry soldiers ==> proper term is

              armored personnel carriers (APC)

Variant term is "infantry figthing vehicle," if the troops being transported
will stay and fire weapons from inside the APC, rather than dismount and
disperse on foot. 

APCs customarily operate with tanks for mutual protection.

Arabic media tend to use the generic term "mujanzar" (tracked objects)
instead of the more cumbersome phrase "Haamila meshaat mudarra3a."

Media refer to tanks distinctively as "dabaabaat" or "mudarra3aat" (armored
objects).

HTH. Khair, in sha' Allah.

Regards from Los Angeles,

Stephen H. Franke

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2)
Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Albrecht Hofheinz <Albrecht_Hofheinz at web.de>
Subject: video of text

It may help not only to read, but also to listen to the Arabic text
of Bin Laden's speech. The video is at

http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/streams/video/2001/10/7/1_59233_1_12.ASF

Regards, Albrecht Hofheinz

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3)
Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Jackie Murgida <jmurg at star.net>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

I've been listening to and reading about Islam and "Allah" in the U.S. media
and getting more and more disappointed at the way a lot of translators (and
people speaking or writing about Islam in English) miss the point that
Muslims worship God. Not translating "allaah" as "God" is very misleading,
making it unclear to the average listener/reader that this is the same God
as the one in the Old and New Testaments of the Bible.

Friends ask me questions about Arabic and Islam and are amazed [and even
argumentative] when I tell them this, as well as that the Koran has Jesus,
born of a virgin, and so on.

I was very pleased to see Waleed's point about this in the message below.
I've always wondered why Muslims, themselves, when talking about their own
religion often say "Allah," as well. It certainly does increase the
foreigness, and exoticness of Islam, and maybe emphasizes the differences
and specialness of the religion, to some believers.

The danger in this type of translation (not limited to this one word, but
exemplified by it), is to distance Us from Them, and to make it easier to
demonize Them, label them as Evildoers, bomb them, and so on. It also makes
it more difficult to make the crucial distinction between the criminal
element that exists in every society and the vast majority of people
belonging to such an "alien" religion.

I urge everyone who works with the Arabic language to be on the alert for
such gratuitous "foreignization" in translation, and to have students and
novice translators follow the "perfectly good word" rule: if English has an
existing, perfectly good word for a concept, use it. Don't use the Arabic
word for it in transliteration.

Thank you, Waleed, for an excellent posting on this subject.
Best regards,
Jackie

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4)
Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: andyf <andyf at umich.edu>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

Hello all good people,
there are two problematic passages:
   In the first problematic passage there is the word mujanzaraat.  I would
like to suggest that it means bulldozer in this context.  Because tanks and
bulldozers are the two items that Isrealis are sending into Palestinian
farming villages, farms and refugees camps.  My informants here in Yemen
tell me that mujanzaraat can mean any all-terrain vehicle with metal tractor
treads as opposed to the regular kind of vehicle with synthetic rubber
tires.

As for the second problematic passage:"Calaa hadhihi al-fi'a alatii xarajat
taqarru bi-diinihaa (?bi-dainihaa) ilaa allah", the Arabic texts that I was
able to find on hte web as per Dilworth's forwarded links, do not contain
the very problematic taqiiru.
I downloaded two copies of the texts in Arabic.  They both match each other
word for word here:
˒¦Ý‘‹ÃË«ÝÆÆÝ»‹Ã«”ÁÂÝˑ͔Á¨Ý˒¦Ýˆ”»Ë«Ý”ÍÊ«ÝÕ ÈÝ«”¦Ë”Ý«” ÍÝ Ê ²»Ý‰”È
«”«²”«Âݍ”ÈÝÁ­ÁÝ«”·ŠÝ«” Íݑ‹Ã ÝÆÆÝ»¦ÍÊÁ«Ý‰”ÈÝ«””Áݲ»Õ«ÊÁÝÝÝË «”Ȩݠˆ»È݈Ê
  ×ÍÝ«”¦Ê͊ݷÍݦÍÊÁ«¨Ý‘‹ÃË«Ý͋ͦËÊ݈ÊÝÍÕ«‹»Ë«Ý«”«²”«Â

The offending word "taqirr" or "tafirru" is interestingly enough not there.
I will supply my own transliteration:
waqad xarajuu . . birijaalihim waxaylihim, waqad ?allabuu 9alaynaa HattaY
d-duwalu llatii tantasibu ?ilaY l-?islaami 9alaY haadhihi l-fi?ati llatii
xarajat bidiinihaa ?ilaY llaahi subHaanihi wa ta9aalaY, ya?baY ?an tu9Tiya
d-daniiyata fii diinihaa, xarajuu yuriiduuna ?an yuHaaribuu l-?islaama.

My close translation
     And they (meaning George Bush et. al.) have brought out their men and
their horse(s), and have gathered against us even those nations that
affiliate themselves with Islam, against this group (meaning Bin Laden and
co.) which has brought out its religion to God (for protection), most high
and praiseworthy, (and which is) refusing to give baseness in its religiion.
They have gone out wanting to paractice war with Islam.

My slightly more idomatically correct for modern English translation.
     They have assembled all of their forces, even including those nations
affiliated with Islam, against us, against this group who have sought the
protection of God, most high and praiseworthy,  for their religion, refusing
to debase their religion.
They have gone out seeking to make war upon Islam.

If we insert "tafirru" into the appropriate palce, ie
     haadhihi l-fi?ati llatiy xarajat bidiinihaa
     haadhihi l-fi?ati llatiy xarajat tafirru bidiinihaa
I don't see how it shifts the meaning at all.

cheers,
Andrew Freeman

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5)
Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Frantz <erkidego at yahoo.com>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

Why this text did not start with the words of the Bismallah?

Frantz

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6)
Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: nagwa hedayet <nhedayet at yahoo.com>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

Hi Dil,

Do we pronounce his name Osama ibn Laden despite the fact that we do
not write the 'alif between two names?  We say for example 'Abdallaah
ibn ' Umar but of course we write the word ibn without the
'alif..........I am not sure; what do you think?

Here is  al-djomhouriyya news paper
site: <http://www.eltahrir.net>http://www.eltahrir.net

  I think I tend to agree with the interpretation of Ms. Ola Moshref
that "modjanzaraat" means war vehicles and equipments that have heavy
iron chain like wheels and that " ta'eethu fasaadan" as an expression
usually means to devastate, spoil fiercely or destroy  blindly or
without discrimination. "yafirru ila allaah" or "yafirru bedeenihi"
are used by midieval Muslim scholars when one seeks refuge in God
leaving worldly pleasures ( for fear of the last day), or tries to
rescue one's faith and life ( fearing a tyrant's rule or an
aggression ) by leaving one's country. As far as I remember the
modern "djihaad" group used the same expression in their doctrine.

Nagwa Hedayet
Hedayet Institute for Arabic Studies
72, Rd.# 10
Maadi, Cairo, Egypt

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:00:21 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:dikka query
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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu>
Subject: dikka query

A colleague is teaching a course that covers Islamic architecture,
and he is uncertain about the use of the piece of furniture called
the 'dikka' which can be found in numerous medieval Cairo mosques,
including the Sultan Hassan mosque.  It is a kind of raised platform
that is out in the open (unlike the minbar, for example, which is up
near the mihrab near the wall).  Does anyone know either the
etymology of this word, or the function of the item of furniture?
Thanks,
Dil

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 18 15:47:47 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:47:47 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Phoenix response
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Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: Phoenix response

  FYI:  In his Qur'aan Commentary on Q2.7 [/xatama/],
al-Zamaxshari (died 1155 C.E.)(and al-BaiDaawi copies) notes that
if a person is absent for a long time, one says of him:

/?Taarat  bi-hi  l-9anqaa'u/ = "the Phoenix has flown off
with him", metaphorically.

                                           Mike Schub

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 18 15:48:44 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:48:44 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:Gratuitous 'foreignization'
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Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Vito Evola <vito.evola at libero.it>
Subject: Gratuitous 'foreignization'

Jackie-

you're email on the English translation of Allah made me think. Could
it be that the reason why the term for "God" has had resistance in
modern translation (esp. of Muslims) because of the sacrality of the
Quranic language?

Interested,
Vito Evola

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:54:21 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:'dikka' responses
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Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Yaser Al-Onaizan <yaser at isi.edu>
Subject:  'dikka' response

Greetings,

I do not know the etymology of the word, but the word is commonly used (at
least in Saudi) in two contexts. A sport's team substitutes bench is called
"dikat al-iHtyaaT" which obviously took its name from the bench that the
players set on. It is also used to refer to an outdoor setting place that is
typically higher than the level of the ground. I'm not sure if and how this
is related to the English word Deck.

Regards,
Yaser
USC/ISI

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2)
Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Waheed Samy <wasamy at umich.edu>
Subject: 'dikka' response

From a modern Egyptian perspective, as opposed to an
Islamic architecture one, a dikka is a simple bench.
The sort found by the entrance to a house, for example.

Waheed

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3)
Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: mughazy <mughazy at students.uiuc.edu>
Subject:  'dikka' response

Hi Dil
Dikka is exactly what you described. It is some sort of a raised platform or
‘couch’ (a big kanaba 3arabi) made of wood and usually it has no cushions. It
is long enough for at least four people to sit comfortably, and wide enough to
sit cross legged (merabba3). You can see it anywhere in rural Egypt whether in
Upper Egypt or the countryside. Sometimes, it is replaced by a bench-like
brick or mud structure attached to the front of the house. The function of
that piece of furniture is for male visitors to use if they are not welcome to
the house. That might be because they arrived unexpectedly, the patriarch is
not at home, or the house is not ready for receiving guests. Also, it is used
as the place where ‘the guys hang out’ without causing discomfort or
imposition on the female members of the household. It also has a social
function in that it signals the social status of the household; the bigger and
nicer it is, the higher status attributed to the family especially that it
represents hospitality.

Unlike the dikka you see in front of houses, the one in mosques is very
decorative. It has a high back and legs, and it is upholstered usually with
red velvet and the wood is painted with some golden color. It functions as a
seat for the moqre` or whoever reads the Qur`an (sometimes two individuals who
alternate) or for a sheikh while giving a religious lesson. That explains why
it is high; students or the mureedeen can see the imam, and he can see them
when they ask questions.

As for the etymology, I do not know. However, I would guess that it is derived
from the verb (ittaka`) meaning to lean or sit comfortably, and the initial
stop was devoiced into /t/.
Hope that helps.
Thanks

Mustafa A. Mughazy
Graduate student
Depatment of Linguistics
University of Illinois
Urbana Champaign

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Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Humphrey Davies <hdavies at aucegypt.edu>
Subject:  'dikka' response

A description of the "dikka" in the mosque and of its function for the
Friday prayer may be found in Lane's "Manners and Customs of the Modern
Egyptians" (pp.81 and 85 in the 1860 edition; Lane transliterates "dikkeh").
In the same Lane also provides descriptions of the use of the dikka in
domestic and other contexts.  In his Lexicon (under "dakka", the literary
form), Lane does not give an etymology , but notes that Arab lexicographers
relate the word to "dukkaan", which some regard as Persian in origin (which
would fit with its being a one-off, with no relation to other items under
the root d-k-n).

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Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: dwilmsen <dwilmsen at aucegypt.edu>
Subject:  'dikka' response

Both Wehr and Hinds/Badawi call identify the word as "bench", from the verb
"to tamp down" or "to level off".  It looks like it is a perfectly good native
Arabic word.

As far as I know, the purpose of the piece of furniture was for someone sit
(or stand in prayer) to relay the utterances of the Imam back to the faithful
as they prayed.  This would have been before the age of the microphone!  I
have seen it used for just such a purpose in more modern mosques, even those
equipped with microphones.

David

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6)
Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: MaryAnn Walter <walterma at MIT.EDU>
Subject:  'dikka' response

In Hadramaut and some other areas of Yemen, where houses are built from
mud brick, the 'dikka' or 'dukka' is a raised area around the base of
the house, also made from mud.  It can be from a few inches to three feet
high -- the function is to protect the foundation of the house from
erosion by flash floods.

I believe Salma al-Damluji's books on mud brick architecture in Yemen
might have more information, and illustrative photographs.

MaryAnn Walter
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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7)
Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Alfordwelch at aol.com
Subject:  'dikka' response

I'm sure others are better qualified to provide a definitive answer
to this question, but I can shed a little light on the function of
the dikka. The term comes from the verb dakka, and means a "bench" or
a "level platform". This structure, which is most frequently seem in
Turkish mosques, is also called a dakka. The origin of the structure
I don't know, but I do know at least a couple uses it has.

I was told by an art history specialist in Cairo that its purpose was
originally to keep the congregation together when performing the
Friday prayers, in the large, usually domed mosques, where many, if
not most, of the worshippers could not see or hear the imam. An
assistant would perform the Salat while standing and sitting on the
dikka, a raised platform in the center (or often to the right of
center, near a column) of the worship area. From the beginning, I
found this explanation curious.

I know that in some mosques the dikka is used by professional Qur'an
reciters, sometimes during the Friday services, but more prominently
during special services, such as those held during the evenings of
Ramadan, when one-thirtieth of the Qur'an was recited each night of
the month.

One curious thing about the dikka is that, unlike the minbar (which
normally has just enough space for the khateeb, it is often large
enough for several "performers". I have heard that in some mosques
two or more Qur'an reciters will sit together on the dikka to recite
on special occasions.

My comments, as you can tell, are more in the nature of a further
inquiry into the origins and uses of the dikka, rather than an
authoritative answer to the questioner. Surely my comments will
elicit a number of responses from people who have first-hand
experience or specialist knowledge, neither of which, I must admit, I
have.

Alford T Welch
Michigan State University

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7)
Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu>
Subject:  'dikka' response

Thanks for all the responses!  My colleague was thrilled to get so
much information, and I personaly learned a lot.  Thanks again.
Dil

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:55:27 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Gulf Pidgins response
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Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Louis Boumans  <L.Boumans at let.kun.nl>
Subject: Gulf Pidgins response

This reference contains all the key words! Maybe you found it already.

Smart, J. R. (1990). "Pidginization in Gulf Arabic: a first report."
Anthropological Linguistics 32.1-2: 83-119.

Regards, Louis Boumans

Louis Boumans
Katholieke Universiteit Nijmegen, ATD
Postbus 9103, 6500 HD Nijmegen
Tel. +31-24-361 13 79, fax +31-24-361 21 77
L.Boumans at let.kun.nl

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:43:54 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Lexicography Conference
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1)
Date:  19 Oct 2001
From: reposted from LINGUIST
Subject: Lexicography Conference

[moderator's note: I thought that some of you would be glad to know
that there existed an Association de la Lexicologie Arabe en Tunisie)

Date:  Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:17:19 +0200
From:  Ibrahim Ben Mrad <Ibrahim.Benammar at ceres.rnrt.tn>
Subject:  Lexical Semantics

        The (Association de la Lexicologie Arabe en Tunisie-ALAT)will
organize its Vth International Colloqium of Lexicology (ICL),in
Tunis,from May 3 till 6,2002,on Lexical Semantics.The Scientific
Committee of ALAT is pleased to invite lexicologists and semanticists to
participate in this Vth ICL.
           Topics:The topics of the Colloquium are:
           1-The theory of meaning in classical and modern linguistics:
a-the meaning in lexicon; b-the meaning of linguistic units;
c-intensional meaning vs extensional meaning
            2-Semantic relations: a-synonymy; b-polysemy;
c-antonymy;d-hyponymy.
            3-The theory of lexical field :a-semasiological field;
b-onomasiological field; c-semantic field and lexicon organisation.
            4-Lexical semantics and cognitive scinces: a-conceptual
semantics; b-reference theory; c-semantic categorization; d-conceptual
categorization.
            5-Semantic structure in dictionary: a-semantics and
linguistic definition; b-semantics and lexicographical definition;
c-semantics and logical definition.
            6-Lexical  semantics and applied linguistics: a-sematics and
translation: b-semantics and language processing.
            7-Lexical semantics and automatic dictionary processing:
a-semantics and word processing; b-semantics and corpus processing.
             Papers presentation:
             1- The papers will be dealt with in plenary sessions (25 mn
for exposition).
             2-Languages : Presentations may be in Arabic,English or
French.
             Participation:
             1-Papers must be original and umpublished.
             2-The full texts should not exceed 25 A4 pages,including
figures and references.
             3-Authors should submit either by email to the President of
ALAT,Mr.Ibrahim Benmrad: <Ibrahim.Benammar at ceres.rnrt.tn>,or preferly by
fax to (2161885094),or by post to: Association de la Lexicologie Arabe
en Tunisie,77 bis,Avenue Bellevue,El-ouardia,1009-Tunis,Tunisia ,
abstracts typed or printed on one side of the paper only.Abstracts
should not exceed tow A4 pages,written in the language in which the
paper will be presented and in one of the tow other languages of the
Colloquium.
               4-Submission of application form and abstract:before
November30,2001.
               5-Notification of acceptance:before December 31,2001.
               6-Final typed text:before March 30,2002.
               7-The proceedings of the Vth ICL will be published in the
Vol. 16-17 of the Journal of ALAT: Revue de la Lexicologie.
               Colloquium Application Form:
              1-Full name:
              2-Date and place of birth:
              3-Nationality:
              4-Home adress:
              5-Home phone and fax:
              6-email:
              7-profession:
              8-Academic title:
              9-Business adress:
             10-Proposed title of paper:
             11-Language used in the presentation:
      With the best thanks of the Committees of ALAT.


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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 19 17:45:30 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:45:30 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Phoenix
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Date:  19 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: Phoenix

  "...symbols of regeneration such as the Phoenix (al-9Anqaa')
and Christ, became newly powerful symbols of both indigenous cultural
values and modernity in [modern Arabic] poetic expression."--
              p. 214 mid.  Roger Allen.  *The Arabic Literary
Heritage*  Cambridge  1998.

      Best wishes,
                                   Mike Schub

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 19 17:48:32 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:48:32 -0600
Subject: Arabic-l:TRANS:gratuitous foreignization
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1)
Date:  19 Oct 2001
From: Jackie Murgida <jmurg at star.net>
Subject: gratuitous foreignization

<<you're email on the English translation of Allah made me think. Could
it be that the reason why the term for "God" has had resistance in
modern translation (esp. of Muslims) because of the sacrality of the
Quranic language?>>

Yes, Vito, I think that's part of it. The belief that the Arabic Koran is
sacred and is untranslatable probably adds to the other reasons to leave
some of the concepts in romanized Arabic, rather than to translate them. I
understand these reasons, such as the fact that the concept of the deity and
the relationship that human beings have to the deity  are different in
Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. However, we normally don't use the Hebrew
words for the deity of Judaism when we discuss Judaism in English, so I
strongly believe we should do the same thing for Islam. Otherwise we
definitely imply stongly that this deity is very foreign and exotic (and
maybe even pagan, to unaware Christians), and we obscure the fact that Islam
is monotheistic, Abrahamic, has prophets and stories in common with
Christianity and Judaisum, and so on.

Of course, I'm not a Muslim, nor am I even a scholar of Classical Arabic.
I'm basing my opinion on what I consider to be sound translation practice of
MSA into English.
~ Jackie

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2)
Date:  19 Oct 2001
From: zouhair maalej <zmaalej at gnet.tn>
Subject: gratuitous foreignization

Dear List memebers,
I have been lurking in the background. The issue of translating Allah into
God is what Nida* classifies as a mistake of "religious culture." The reason
for refraining from translating Allah into God is not the sacredness of
Quranic language as Vito Evola mentioned (e.g. ?ar-rasul is simply
translated as the prophet in all the translation I know of), but has to do
with deep religious reasons: (i) the fact that in Islam Allah is not part of
the Trinity as in Christianity, and (ii) the fact that Allah is not the
father of Jesus Christ. In cognitive linguistic terms, the Idealized
Cognitive Model for Allah in Islam and for God in Christianity simply do not
fully overlap as the concepts show different packaging of meaning in the two
cultures.

*Nida, Eugene (1964). "Linguistics and Ethnology in Translation-Problems."
In D. Hymes (ed.), Language in Culture and Society: A Reader in Linguistics
and Anthropology. New York: Harper & Row, pp. 90-97.

I hope this will help.
Best

**********************
Dr Zouhair Maalej,
Department of English, Chair,
Faculty of Letters,
University of Manouba,
Tunis-Manouba, 2010, Tunis, Tunisia.

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3)
Date:  19 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: gratuitous foreignization

But why not in Italian??:  "Nel nome di Dio, clemente
misericorioso!"...etc.

      Best wishes,
                                              Mike Schub

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct 23 16:37:53 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:37:53 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:translate/transliterate Allah
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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: jolandaguardi <jolandaguardi at iol.it>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

dear lista members,
as Mike Scrube notet in Italy we prefer to translate Allah with God.
Generally scholars here thinks that, as Allah means God, not
translate it would mean that God and Allah were different Gods. And
as God is one, so it's better to write the term in italian. There
also some muslims' groups in Italy that prefer to maintain the term
in arabic just for the same reason.
Best regards,
Jolanda Guardi

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2)
Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Jackie Murgida <jmurg at star.net>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

>I have been lurking in the background.
Zouhair, I'm glad this discussion drew you out into the foreground!

>The issue of translating Allah into God is what Nida* classifies as a
mistake of "religious culture."

Thanks for making this point and mentioning the Nida reference. It
highlights the difficulty of translating concepts that don't fully overlap,
and our discussion has highlighted the pitfalls involved when there isn't a
nice, one-to-one correspondence between the two languages.

Best regards,
Jackie

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3)
Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: zeinab Ibrahim <zeinabib at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

Allah is one of the proper names of God in Islam. /'ilah/ or /rabb/ stands for
God in general, but Allah  is one of his proper names.  In addition, there is
in the Qur'aan,/wa lilah 'al'asmaa' 'alHusna/.  The usage of Allah is
referring particularly to the Islamic faith but the other two terms are used
as well in the Qur'aan to refers mainly to other Gods,the statues, which were
worshipped in the Peninsula before Islam.
Zeinab Ibrahim

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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: "Robert R. Ratcliffe" <ratcliffe at tufs.ac.jp>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

>Dear List memebers,
>I have been lurking in the background. The issue of translating
>Allah into God is what Nida* classifies as a mistake of "religious
>culture." The reason for refraining from translating Allah into God
>is not the sacredness of Quranic language as Vito Evola mentioned
>(e.g. ?ar-rasul is simply translated as the prophet in all the
>translation I know of), but has to do with deep religious reasons:
>(i) the fact that in Islam Allah is not part of the Trinity as in
>Christianity, and (ii) the fact that Allah is not the father of
>Jesus Christ. In cognitive linguistic terms, the Idealized Cognitive
>Model for Allah in Islam and for God in Christianity simply do not
>fully overlap as the concepts show different packaging of meaning in
>the two cultures.

An interesting point of view. But I can't really agree. First, words
referring to abstract concepts virtually never FULLY overlap between
different languages. Second, I'm not convinced that the common
English word "God" is necessarily heard and interpreted as a
technical term of Christian theology. The word has Germanic roots and
predates the advent of Christianity in England, and we use it to
refer to related concepts in other religions (the gods of Greek myth,
e.g.). Similarly with "Allah", the word comes from def. art. al- plus
Common Semitic etymon ilah, which predates the appearance of Islam.
Arabic speaking Christians use "Allah" in the translations of the
Bible, etc., and non-Arabic speaking Muslims often use terms derived
from their own languages (Persian Xoda, Indonesian Tuhan, etc.)
rather than "Allah" to express this concept. Although most Arabic
speakers are Muslim and most English speakers are Christian, the
thought-world of a given speech community (the range of concepts that
can be expressed by a given language) is not necessarily restricted
to the conceptual framework of the predominant religion in the
community. For most English speakers, I don't believe the word "God"
necessarily implies Jesus and the Trinity unless it is used in a
specifically Christian context where such a presupposition is
expected.

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5)
Date:  23 Oct 2001
From:  dparvaz at unm.edu
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

Dear all,

While I certainly understand the reasons offered for wanting to use
the word "God" as a more user-friendly description of the deity
worshiped by Muslims, I also see Zouhair's rationale for maintaining
the use of "Allah" -- in using the English word, we stand in danger
of glossing over some deep theological differences.

One possible response to Zouhair's invocation of Idealized Cognitive
Models is that ICMs (as G. Lakoff will tell anyone who can't
physically run away) are not for classical categories. There is a not
inconsiderable overlap between the Christian, Muslim, and Jewish
conceptions of God, and this intersection might serve as the set of
"core" (or "universal") attributes. So the creation of the earth,
covenant with Abraham, deliverance of Moses, and so on would often be
attributed to the same agent. Once you start talking about Jesus and
Mohammed, creedal councils, and so forth, you introduce more
peripheral (or "less universal") attributes. To follow the previously
proposed logic, Muslims should always refer to Jesus as "Isa" because
the Jesus of (most of) Christianity would be in violation of the
shahada and the dictum in surat ul-ikhlaS. In Langacker's terms, it
may be a question of profiling and construal.

Another thing to consider (and perhaps more on the other hand) is
more of the social side of things: is the word "Allah" in insider
term like tafseer, sahih, zakat, etc. or an "outsider" term like
"Koran?" It may be that the term is not only in wide currency but
pretty much understood.

Cheers, from the sunny southwest,

Dan.

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6)
Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Joan Smith/Kocamahhul <j.smith at ling.canterbury.ac.nz>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

If 'Allah' is only transliterated when referring to Islam, then it hides
the fact that Arabic-speaking Christians also use the name Allah for God
(I don't know about Arabic-speaking Jews, but I'm guessing they may well
use it too). This perpetuates the impression that some conservative
Christians (that I've met) have that Muslims worship a different god. I
think it contributes to the perceived 'otherness' of both Muslims and
Arabs (of all religions).

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7)
Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Louis Boumans <louis.boumans at freeler.nl>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

Dear list members,

Is it possible to summarise the discussion about the rendering of
Arabic "Allah" in European languages as follows:

- Muslims prefer the word Allah in references to the islamic concept
of the deity
- non-Muslims are divided over "Allah" and "God", depending on their
ideological persuasions.

Or is there also an important Muslim section who would prefer a
translation like "God" in English?

It seems obvious that Muslims view Islam as something really unique,
so for them Allah is not like any other conception of supranatural
power. Atheists and sceptics, on the other hand, are more inclined to
perceive and stress the similarities between religious movements.

Yours, Louis Boumans

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct 23 16:39:30 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:39:30 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LIT:Yahya Haqqi query
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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Muhammad S Eissa <eissa at umich.edu>
Subject: Yahya Haqqi query

Could someone get me a reference to the actual day/date that Yahya
Haqqi, the Egyptian writer, departed from this mortal world?  Thanks
in advance.

salaam

Muhammad S. Eissa, Ph. D.
Department of Near Eastern Studies,
University of Michigan,
2097 Frieze Building,
Ann Arbor, MI 48109

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct 23 16:40:46 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:40:46 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:iCab query
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1)
Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Dan Parvaz <dparvaz at unm.edu>
Subject: iCab query

I noticed on Arabic-L that some are using iCab to view Arabic
webpages on a Mac. I'm running OS X; since Apple hasn't delivered any
bi-di capability in X (all their Unicode promises notwithstanding),
I'm use iCab in Classic mode for my Arabic needs. However, it seems
to freak out whenever it encounters certain kinds of punctuation,
since iCab doesn't appear to know whether a period is Arabic or
English, for example. Have you found any fixes for that?

Thanks in advance.
Cheers,

Dan.
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct 23 16:41:59 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:41:59 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:U of Virginian/Yarmouk Summer Arabic Program
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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Mohammed Sawaie <ms at virginia.edu>
Subject: U of Virginian/Yarmouk Summer Arabic Program

The University of Virginia ­ Yarmouk University Summer Arabic Program, 2002

v June 12 ­ August 11
v Location: Yarmouk University is in Irbid, Jordan.
v Description: An intensive 8-week program in Modern Standard Arabic,
designed for undergraduate and graduate students currently pursuing a
university degree.  Three levels of instruction:
ß Lower Intermediate (prerequisite: 1 year of college-level Arabic or
the equivalent)
ß Upper Intermediate (prerequisite: 2 years of college-level Arabic
or the equivalent)
ß Advanced (prerequisite: 3 years of college-level Arabic or the equivalent)
v Cost: $ 3,365 (including international airfare, tuition, housing,
and 2 educational trips)

v NEW LEVEL: Islamics Arabic

ß Study of the language of Islamic literature in classical and modern texts
ß Prerequisite: 4 years of college-level Arabic or academic equivalent
ß Cost: $ 3,565 (including international airfare, tuition, housing,
and 2 educational trips)

For information, contact the University of Virginia-Yarmouk
University Summer Arabic Program:

	University of Virginia ­ Yarmouk University
	Summer Arabic Program
	PO BOX 400781
	B027 Cabell Hall
	Charlottesville, VA22904-4781

Phone: (434) 982-2304
Fax (434) 924-6977
Email: UVAYARMK at virginia.edu
http://www.virginia.edu/~arabic/yarmuk_program.htm

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 16:40:52 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:40:52 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:intifada translate or transliterate?
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1) Subject: intifada translate or transliterate?

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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Waleed Al-Amri <waleed at talk21.com>
Subject: intifada translate or transliterate?

Since the notion of foriegnization has been brought to the attention of the
respected members of the list, what about Intifada?

Why has the Arabic name for the Palestinian uprising been transliterated in
English?

I am well aware that there is not a perfect match to it in English but I
believe that any of the many English synonyms of uprising could have done
the job just as perfectly. Anyway linguists since the linguistic relativity
of Sapir and Whorf, although to a much lesser degree believed that a perfect
match between concepts in languages is well and truly a chimera (a mythical
creature) for the simple reason that languages are used to fulfil social
functions which could be different among different cultural realities. Just
think about the obvious Arabic translation of "spy", i.e. "Jasoos" and the
connotative differences between the two: the former is romanticised in the
English speaking cultures (thanks to Ian Fleming and 007), and the latter is
over laden with negative overtones. So if we want to justify such
transliterations as Intifada on the grounds of incongruity of meaning, we
might as well transliterate the whole Arabic language into English.

I am also aware that this is not an isolated case in English as there is the
very famous glasnost and perestroika.


One explanation could be that such a social semiotic adoption of an element
that does not exist in the repertoire is to avoid the connotative meanings
associated with the indigenous elements that could have done the job whether
these connotations are positive or negative. 'Uprising' is over laden with
meaning: it is not just the dictionary meaning but how people tend to use
this word (or the idea of semantic prosody in corpus linguistics). Is it
then a matter of borrowing an element form another language, i.e. importing
the frame (or container)  and filling it up with the meanings that we deem
appropriate?!

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 16:38:15 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:38:15 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Arabic semantic richness query
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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: David Wacks <davidwacks at hotmail.com>
Subject: Arabic semantic richness query

Dear Arabic-L-iyyiin,

I'm looking for a source on the semantic richness of Arabic, especially in
comparison to Spanish. What has been written on Arabic's characteristic
semantic depth and flexibility? Thanks - please respond to my email.

David Wacks (wacks at uclink4.berkeley.edu)
Dept. Spanish & Portuguese
UC Berkeley

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 16:37:34 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:37:34 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LIT:Yahya Haqqi response
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1) Subject: Yahya Haqqi response
2) Subject: Yahya Haqqi response

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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Wim Raven <Raven at em.uni-frankfurt.de>
Subject: Yahya Haqqi response

According to Robert B. Campbell, S.J., Contemporary Arabic Writers.
Biographies and Autobiographies, Beirut 1966, Vol. 1, p. 497, Yahya Haqqi
died the 12th of September 1992.

Best Wishes,
Wim Raven, University of Frankfurt

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2)
Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: Yahya Haqqi response

/'Allaahu  'a9lamu/  = "only God (Dio) knows:"  "...YaHyaa
Haqqii (d. 1933?) [sic]..."  P. 298 top.  Roger Allen.
*The Arabic Literary Heritage*  Cambridge  1998.
      Best wishes,
                                       Mike Schub

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 16:44:20 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:44:20 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:allaah discussion
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1) Subject: allaah discussion
2) Subject: allaah discussion
3) Subject: allaah discussion
4) Subject: allaah discussion
5) Subject: allaah discussion

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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Yaser Al-Onaizan <yaser at ISI.EDU>
Subject: allaah discussion

Greetings all,

One thing we should be aware of that the Arabic word "allah" predates islam. In
fact the name of  prophet Mohammed's father is Abdullah. So,  I believe it is
wrong to say that the word "Allah" specifically refers to the god in Islamic
theology.  The word was used by Arabs well before islam.
Additionally, allah is one of the islamic names of god, there are more than 90
others that are used in the Koran. For example, al-rahim (the
merciful). All the
others are almost always translated into English and not transliterated.

This issue is related to the use of alternative spellings for other
islam-related
terms (e.g., Makkah instead of Mecca,  Quraan instead of Koran, etc.).

Regards,
Yaser Al-Onaizan
USC/ISI

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2)
Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: David Chambers <david.chambers at usa.net>
Subject: allaah discussion

Dear Colleagues,

IMHO, the burden, alas, falls on the translator for the use of "Allah" or
"God."

If a work in translation were theologoical, say about the Religions of
"the Book" (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), I might avoid "God"
altogether and use "Allah" to contrast with "Yahweh" for Judaism and
"Jehovah" for Christianity, thus equally distancing all three
terms/concepts/religions for readers, so no reader would be biased.
Otherwise, if I fell into the common trap of referring to the Christians'
God as "God," then I would be prejudicing my readers against the rather
foreign sounding terms of "Yahweh" and "Allah."  Of course, one would
have to consider which was the main language of Christianity (Latin,
Greek, modern European), etc., when determining the best term in English
for "God" -- I suggested Jehovah but even that has strong sectarian
connotations...

On the other hand, if the text were persuasive and "reaching out" to
embrace readers, I would probably use "God" wherever possible, perhaps at
points differentiating with terms such as "God in Islam" or "Allah" vs.
"God in Christianity" or "Jehovah" or "God in Judaism" or "Yahweh," as
very likely the author's intention would be to show commonality rather
than contrast.

The point is to understand the terms in each language and then when
translating to find the best meaning according to the author and not
ourselves, right?

No matter how it is translated or transliterated, I would always note
such issues to the reader beforehand and probably refer them to various
discussions about it.

BTW, "God" seems to be the very closest one can translate "Allah" into
English, and I must beg to modify Dr. Zeinab Ibrahim's statement:  god
with a capital "G" is the nearest thing in English to "ilah" with the
definite "Al-" prefix, while small "g" for god or gods has its Arabic
equivalents, right?  My CASA days are on trial here!        :)

Best to all - David

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3)
Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Rahel Halabe <rahel at telus.net>
Subject: allaah discussion

As assumed by (6) Joan Smith/Kocamahhul <j.smith at ling.canterbury.ac.nz>
Arabic speaking Jews do refer to God as Alla.

Rahel

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4)
Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: allaah discussion

Dear Rob't,

      /rasuul/  "means" "prophet; emissary."
      The foreign form /nabiiy/ was borrowed to indicate "prophet."
      The originally foreign terms /zakaat/ and /Salaat/ even retain
their foreign spellings  [with /waaw/].
      These and expressions such as  /al-Hayy  al-qayyuum/,
/al-muhaymin/,  /9illiyyuun\iin/, etc. were all recognized by
Tabari, SuyuuTi, and other Islamic scholars to be of foreign
origin.  See Arthur Jeffery.  *The Foreign Vocabulary of the
Koran*  Baruda  1938.

      Best wishes,
                               Mike Schub

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5)
Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Iman Soliman <halleluiah3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: allaah discussion

Hello
As an Egyptian Christian and a native speaker of the
language, the term allah always means God.  The Arabic
translation of the Bible speaks of allah meaning God
definitely not the Islamic word meaning allah.  I
think the tendency towards using Allah as a proper
noun meaning the God of islam to emphsis that we do
not all worship the same God has emerged in the late
seventies and eighties with the strength of Islamic
extrimists.
Well, I may not be an expert on translation but this
is simply what the word means to me.
Thank you
Iman

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 16:35:45 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:35:45 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:iCAB responses
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1) Subject: iCAB response
2) Subject: iCAB response

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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Michael Fishbein <fishbein at humnet.ucla.edu>
Subject: iCAB response

I have found iCab to be a very useful tool for viewing Arabic web
pages on the Mac. However, the program does have a problem with line
breaks. Parts of one line sometimes appear on the next line down. As
you suggest, this may have to do with the program's not
distinguishing between Roman and Arabic spaces, commas, and periods.

The only work-around that I have been able to come up with is to copy
the offending text to the clipboard, paste it into a Nisus document,
and convert the text to an Arabic font (Geeza, for example).( You
need to depress the shift key while selecting the new font in order
to do this.) For some reason, this operation fixes the incorrect line
breaks. If anyone out there knows why it does so, I'd be curious to
know.

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2)
Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: YemenLC at aol.com
Subject: iCAB response

I think there is a bug in iCab for OS X 2.5.3. Try to download 2.6.
I am using iCab with OS 9.1 and I don't have any problem.
Try also to use the Language Register program to register iCab for Arabic.
When You register it, it forces it to read the Arabic pages correctly.
I hope apple will fulfill its commitment by providing support for Arabic for
OS X.
We may eventually have to move to M$ Windows.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 16:39:11 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:39:11 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:'mediation' query
Message-ID: <THU.25.OCT.2001.103911.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: mediation' query

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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: jgreenman at t-online.de (Joe Greenman)
Subject: mediation' query

Hi from Berlin,

My 1001 and Arabic-English, English-Arabic, Arabic-German, and German-Arabic
dictionaries all list "waSaaTah" as the translation of "mediation".

Because of their ages and the political / journalistic emphasis of the corpuses
upon which most of the dictionaries are based, though, I'm wondering if that's
the same word that is used in Arab-American communities to describe what's also
known as "alternative dispute resolution". I'm especially interested in
"mediation" in the context of common American (and British) contemporary
concepts such as "family mediation", "community mediation", "neighborhood
mediation", and "divorce mediation" (as opposed to "political" or "labor").

For fear of being repetitive, I'm _not_ looking for a theoretical or
dictionary-based word; I'd like to know what "real people" are actually using.
(Of course, I realize it might be "waSaaTah", but that's part of the question).

Thanks very much.

Best regards,
Joe

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 17:28:00 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:28:00 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Intensive program for natives query
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Date:  52 Oct 2001
From: leila safi <leilasafi at excite.com>
Subject: Intensive program for natives query

Hello,
Does anyone know of an intensive Arabic program designed for native speakers
to brush up on their language skills located in the Middle East or North
Africa(preferably Tunisia)or in the US? I know there is the possibility of
auditing language and lit classes at a university, but am curious to know
whether there are specialized intensive programs.
Thanks
Leila

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 18:57:08 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:57:08 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:'mediation'
Message-ID: <MON.29.OCT.2001.115708.0700.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: 'mediation'
2) Subject: 'mediation'

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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Waheed Samy <wasamy at umich.edu>
Subject: 'mediation'

The word for mediation is: waCaaTa

Waheed

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2)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From:  Iman Soliman <halleluiah3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: 'mediation'

In Egypt, we would use also ( shafa3ah)and (wesatah)
between friends and families and with religious
connotations as well
Iman

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 19:08:33 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:08:33 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:Unix hack for Arabic Web Pages
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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: dparvaz at unm.edu
Subject: Unix hack for Arabic Web Pages

Sometimes all you have is a UNIX terminal window. Here's a quick hack
that will grab a web page and display it in a transliteration system
based on Arabic morse code. In this transcripion the alphabet looks
like this:

ABTCJHODZR;S:XVUY"GFQKLMN?WI, and E=hamza.

Here's the two-line shell script:

#!/bin/sh
curl -Ls $1 | tr "A-Z" "a-z" | tr "\r\n" "  " | sed  -e "s/<p>/||/g"
-e "s/<.tr>/|/g" -e "s/<br>/||/g" -e "s/<[^>]*>//g" -e "s/&nbsp;/ /g"
| tr
"\301\302\303\304\305\306\307\310\311\312\313\314\315\316\317\320\321\322\
323\324\325\326\330\331\332\333\335\336\337\341\343\344\345\346\354\355"
"EAAWAEAB?TCJHODZR;S:XVUY\"GFQKLMN?WII" | tr "|" "\n" | tr -s " "

Cheers,

Dan.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 18:54:46 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:54:46 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:richness of Arabic responses
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2) Subject: richness of Arabic response

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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: "Miriam R. L. Petruck" <miriamp at cogsci.berkeley.edu>
Subject: richness of Arabic response

Re/Arabic semantic richness query: Have a look at _The Semantics of Form
in Arabic in the Mirror of European Languages_ by David Justice.  It was a
dissertation in Linguistics at Berkeley, then published by Benjamins.

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2)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Jamal Attar <jamattar at cyberia.net.lb>
Subject: richness of Arabic response

Dear respectful colleague
May I suggest on the richness of Arabic, my contribution entitled "A Rich
Concept of Arabic / al-'Arabiyya: al-Jahiz's Original View of "Arabic" in
relation to the Holy Qur'an: Concept transcending language to culture and
socio-moral code" at  http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~hdeley/attar2.htm.
  Medieval sources as al-Zamakhshari's "  Asaas al-Balagha  " is another
suggestion.
Best.
Jamal el-'Attar, PhD (Edinburgh, 1996)
Arabo-Islamic and Civilizational studies

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 18:52:03 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:52:03 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:iCab
Message-ID: <MON.29.OCT.2001.115203.0700.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: iCab
2) Subject: iCab
3) Subject:OSX and Arabic

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1)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Frantz <erkidego at yahoo.com>
Subject: iCab

I had not problem at all with iCab.  It works better than any other browser
to read Arabic.  You have to be sure that in the text coding you choose the
right Arabic system that was used to create the page you are viewing.
There are three options in the menu.

I have been able to copy and paste from the html document into NisusWriter
without any problem at all.

Frantz

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2)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Albrecht Hofheinz <Albrecht_Hofheinz at web.de>
Subject: iCab

Thanks YemenL for pointing out the need to *register iCab for Arabic*
using Apple's Language Register program. This does indeed do the
trick. I haven't tried it under OS X yet, but it works fine in 9.2.
Really should have thought of this myself.

For the benefit of the list, here's what Knut Vikør
<fmikv at alf.uib.no> of the University of Bergen, Norway, kindly wrote
in response to the original query:

QUOTE

I was forwarded this to see if there was a cure. In fact, I am not
yet up to OS X, so I may not be the best to answer. But briefly, what
I know:
- Under Mac WorldScript (systems up to 9), all punctuation is
duplicated, there is an Arabic period and a Latin period, an Arabic
comma and a Latin comma etc. Only the Mac does this. In all other
systems (ISO 8859, Unicode, Windows), a distinction is made between
those punctuation that has a different shape in Arabic (is reversed:
comma, question mark, semicolon) and those that are identical from
left and right (period, colon, exclamation mark). The former have a
separate Arabic identity, the latter do not, they have only one
period and require some other code to tell the display whether to use
an Arabic or English font.

The Mac's way of doing things simplifies matters, but that does not
mean much netwise as long as no other platform does this. So, all
Arabic texts on the net follow the "single period" rule; i.e. only
the Latin period exists. Thus when iCab sees a period in an Arabic
text, it - according to the Mac's system - sees it as an English
period, and acts accordingly.

When English and Arabic texts appear on the same line, the
application must decide which language dominates; i.e. whether the
Arabic and English text blocks are to be ordered from left to right
on the line or right to left. Good Arabic programs like Nisus allow
the user to decide this; but iCab is not made with Arabic in mind. It
is hard wired to Latin left-right domination, and thus will always
organize the text blocks left to right; even if the "English block"
is just a single period.

Thus, this is not a bug, but just following from the logic of Mac/net
discrepancy. Once Unicode is implemented, this will go away, since
Mac of course then will follow the same Unicode standards in this
respect. -- I have alerted iCab's developers to this situation, but I
suspect they will not give priority to what may be a major rewrite on
this OS 9-only problem, but rather go for Carbonization.

As for OS X; Arabic is as you know not implemented yet, but I am told
by knowledgeable people (not having upgraded myself), that if you
install a full Unicode font that contains Arabic characters, while
you cannot yourself yet write Arabic, you should be able to read
Unicode Arabic pages on the Web using the OmniWeb browser for OS X. I
copy from his message:

>As for right to left languages, OmniWeb can display web pages in
>UTF-8 correctly if the text direction is set to R to L and direction
>marks are inserted properly.
>
Yusuke Kinoshita

I cannot thus confirm this, but it may indicate that things may be
looking up. (I have also heard that Netscape 6.sth has some support
for Arabic, but as far as I understand, it is not properly working
yet. However, it should perhaps be monitored in upgrades).

Knut S. Vikør

END OF QUOTE

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3)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: dparvaz at unm.edu
Subject: OSX and Arabic

I went ahead and tried OmniWeb's "sneakypeek" release of their
browser (bad Javascript and DOM implementations have kept me from
them in the past), but all I get in Arabic pages (say, aljazeera.net)
is an Arabic keycaps-style glyph which screams "not yet implemented."
When I install an Arabic font (like Geeza), I get Arabic characters,
but they're all stand-alone (i.e., no "joining"), and everything is
still left-to-right.

The same problem exists in OS X's stock mail application, which would
indicate that both programs are relying on nonexistent OS-level
support.

*Sigh*,

Dan.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 18:49:05 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:49:05 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:allaah responses
Message-ID: <MON.29.OCT.2001.114905.0700.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: allaah in Maltese
2) Subject: allaah in Dutch e-mails
3) Subject: allaah response

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1)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Mark Camilleri <markcam at mail.global.net.mt>
Subject: allaah in Maltese

Hello,

We Maltese, though our language is classified as an Arabic dialect 
by some linguists, we are of the Catholic religion. As far as "Allah"
goes we call him "Alla" and for "Rabb" we use "Mulej" (Mula in Arabic).
Malta was a Muslim colony in the Middle Ages an though our language
changed much since then, the name of "Alla/h" remained the same
because our forefathers saw the similarities between Christianity and
Islam and between Allah and Alla.

Thank you,
Mark

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2)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From:  Louis Boumans <louis.boumans at freeler.nl>
Subject: allaah in dutch e-mails

Some emperical data on the Allah versus God discussion:

For other purposes, I collected a sample of bulletin board messages
composed in Dutch by (mainly) Moroccan young people living in the
Netherlands and Flanders. The sample consists of 40333 words divided
over 237 messages posted under 196 differents nicknames.

The sample contains 137 tokens [!] of <Allah> versus 18 tokens of
<God>. In other words, this particular Muslim community prefers the
word Allah over the Dutch alternative, even when communicating in
Dutch.

Yours, Louis Boumans

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3)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From:  ahmed abboud <ahmedabboud at hotmail.com>
Subject: allaah response

Hello everybody,
I do agree with Mr. Chambers concerning the distinction of allah and
other names in other religions.I think it's important to make such
distinctions ,because we're dealing with nouns that refer to
concepts.For the same reason I have reservation against the following
translation(laa illaaha illaa allaah) into(there's no God but allah)
instead I suggest the following(Allah is one and only).Thank you.
My regards,
Ahmed

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 19:06:32 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:06:32 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:Translator needed
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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: LaTonya M. Lowe <LOWE at ALCINC.COM>
Subject: Translator needed

[REPOSTED FROM LINGUIST]

Areas Required: translation
University or Organization: ALC INC
Department: Human resources
State or Province: MD
Country: USA
Final Date of Application: 31 DEC 2001
Contact: LATONYA M. LOWE LOWE at ALCINC.COM

Address for Applications:
172 ROLLINS AVE
ROCKVILLE
MD 20852
USA

Translator needed ASAP in the following languages: Arabic, Hindu,
Urdu, Punjabi, Turkish, AND Uzbek.  Must be able to interpret and
translate.  Must be a US citizen and willing to work overseas.  Must
have a DOD security clearance or be able to obtain one. Military
experience a plus.

Send resume to: lowe at alcinc.com or fax to 301-881-6877.

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:02:01 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Intensive Program for Natives responses
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2) Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response
3) Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response
4) Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response

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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: nagwa hedayet <nhedayet at yahoo.com>
Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response

Regarding your query, kindly note that we, at the Hedayet Institute
for Arabic Studies situated in Cairo,Egypt, can tailor an intensive
language course to brush up the language skills of a native speaker.
Some of the teachers of the institute have long experience in
teaching CASA III program.

Nagwa Hedayet
Hedayet institute for Arabic Studies
72,Rd.# 10,
Maadi, Cairo, Egypt
Tel: (202)3583915
Cell:(2012) 2261308

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2)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Vito Evola <vito.evola at libero.it>
Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response

There is a wonderful program at the Bouguiba School at IMLV
University of Tunis. A fine school (I've been there!) and there are
two intensive courses at many levels, one in winter, one in summer,
and they also have a course for Tunisian dialect. There are special
offerings for Tunisian emigrants.

Contact me for more information.
Vito Evola
vito.evola at libero.it
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3)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: alaa elgibali <elgibali at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response

I don't know of specific programs that offer language refresher courses for
"native" Arabic speakers.  The closest thing is what the American University
in Cairo offers either to its undergraduate students, to improve their
language skills, or to its graduate students who want to delve a bit deeper
into the language.

Alaa Elgibali
elgibali at aucegypt.edu

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4)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Morgane Mokhtar <morganemokhtar at hotmail.com>
Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response

Hello,
I know of the Institu Bourguiba, Universite de Tunis, where they offer
an intensive one-month course every summer, usually from July 15th to
August 15th approx. There are 12 levels (at least that's what they
offered in 1991 when I went!), and the last ones are suitable for
native speakers who want to brush up their knowledge of Arabic. I
don't have their details anymore, but I'm sure they can be found on
the Net.

Regards,
Morgane Mokhtar
Translator
French, English, Arabic & Spanish
Tel/fax: +2(02)241-6920 (GMT+2)
Mobile phone: +2(010)154-2493

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 19:05:29 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:05:29 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:intifada response
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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Ali Farghaly  <Smith9887 at aol.com>
Subject: intifada response

The word 'intifada', I think is a case of borrowing and has become a
part of the English lexicon. It was borrowed for the following
reasons.
The word &#8220;intifada&#8217;  and not any other English words such
as &#8220;uprising&#8221; was used because, I believe, there was
something unique about the Palestinian uprising. First, it was
primarily the young Palestinian boys ages  who took the initiative
and  the active role and not the adults. Second, what these boys did
was they threw stone at the Israeli troops. They did not have guns
nor machine guns as the Israeli soldiers had. Third, they kept on
doing this for several months in spite of the causalities they had.
It was clearly a unique cry  to human conscience   and to the whole
world that there was a problem there. Videos from there showed how
the Israeli troops responded to these innocent kids who had nothing
but small stones with bullets. I think it is this uniqueness that
prompted Western media to refer to this unique event with a unique
term i.e. &#8216;intifada&#8217;. Notice that any other English word
such as &#8216;uprising&#8217; will never give the same associations
of meanings
hat surrounds the &#8216;intifada&#8217;. Whereas
&#8216;uprising&#8217; can refer to a  similar event any where in the
world by any group of people , &#8216;intifada&#8217; can only refer
to the Palestinian uprising in the West Bank primarily at the hands
of very young innocent kids against the Israeli occupation of their
land.
Ali Farghaly
Senior Linguist
YY Technologies

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 19:04:23 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:04:23 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:Needs linguistics paper written in Arabic
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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Mahmoud Sadrai <sadrai at tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Needs linguistics paper written in Arabic

This is a request for a (any!) paper in linguistics (in any area of
linguistics) that is written in Arabic.

I am a student at the University of Minnesota, and I have the option of
fulfilling my language requirements by translating a paper from Arabic
to English. However, I am having difficulty finding an academic paper in
linguistics written in Arabic. I would appreciate any help, including
sources, authors, and journals I may consult.

you may post to the listserv, or e-mail me directly at
<mahm0007 at umn.edu>.

If there is interest, I'd be happy to compile this information and
submit to listserv for posting

Thanks very much for you help,

Mahmoud Sadrai

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 19:07:31 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:07:31 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Comparative Dialects query
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1)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Mathias van den Bossche <m.vdb at free.fr>
Subject: Comparative Dialects query (new member intro)

Dear all,

I am new to this list, and as required in the welcome/confirmation
message, here is a description of why I'm joining.

So, I am Mathias van den Bossche, and I'll write from m.vdb at free.fr.
Although my name is Dutch, I write from (southern) France.
I am no linguist by education (I have a Ph.D in physics),
but I am fascinated by languages. I am somewhat familiar with
urban Palestinian Arabic dialect (contact with native speakers),
and I have been studying classical Arabic for a few years.

What interests me at the very moment is comparative grammar of
arabic dialects. I would also be delighted to learn more about
the impact of pre-arabic languages on today s dialects where
relevant. I am trying to gather information on any Arabic dialect,
but I realized the web is not that rich on the matter at least
until now. If anybody has URLs to suggest, please do !

I would be very happy to gather enough data to publish web
pages with basic comparative data (simple things to begin with,
some phonetic maps ...).

That's all for the introduction

All the best

Mathias van den Bossche

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  2 16:34:55 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:34:55 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Enrollment Bump responses
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2) Subject: Enrollment Bump response
3) Subject: Enrollment Bump response; 'boutique majors'  query

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1)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: Raji Rammuny <raram at umich.edu>
Subject: Enrollment Bump response

Dear Kirk:
Slamat;

We have 2 students who wanted to add Arabic, but at this late date we
discouraged them to enroll. However, we allowed 2 journalists and 1
professor of Archeology and 1 graduate student of Anthropoloy to
audit Arabic classes at their levels. Best.

Raji

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2)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: John Nawas <John.Nawas at arts.kuleuven.ac.be>
Subject: Enrollment Bump response

Dear Kirk,
A European perspective:
Here at the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium -- classes have just
started -- the enrollment is exactly the same as it was last year: 14 new
majors for Arabic and Islamic Studies. During the week of the tragedy the
pre-registration remained the same. Some of us thought more would want to
study Arabic and Islam while others thought that the events would have the
exact opposite effect: stay away.
(On the other hand, I have been told that the enrollment for Japanese has
surprisingly jumped this year to 28 new majors -- wasn't there a recession
in Japan?)
In other words, I, too, share your interest but I cannot explain ..... All
the best, John Nawas.

John Nawas, PhD
Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies
Katholieke Universiteit Leuven

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3)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: dwilmsen <dwilmsen at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: Enrollment Bump response; 'boutique majors'  query

Apropos of bumps in enrollment, I have just seen an unfamiliar term in an
article about low enrollments in Arabic and Middle East studies programs (I
can't remember where, I am reading a lot of forwarded articles lately).  The
article described these programs as "boutique majors".  Any idea what that is
supposed to mean?

David Wilmsen
Director, Arabic and Translation Studies
The American University in Cairo
28 Falaki Street
Bab El-Louk
Cairo, Egypt
tel:  2 02 7976872
fax:  2 02 7957565

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  2 16:32:35 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:32:35 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:need addresses
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1)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: Catherine Miller <miller at mmsh.univ-aix.fr>
Subject: need addresses

I 'm looking for Janet Watson's and Farida Abu Haidar's addresses
(email or post)

Thank you
Catherine Miller

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  2 16:31:04 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:31:04 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LIT: JAL: Current and Upcoming Issues, Call for Papers
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1)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: reposted from Arabic-Info
Subject: JAL: Current and Upcoming Issues, Call for Papers

****THE JOURNAL OF ARABIC LITERATURE****


Executive Editor, Suzanne Stetkevych		Publisher, E. J. Brill
Indiana University				P.O. Box 9000
                                                 2300 PA Leiden
Editorial Board:				The Netherlands

Federico Corriente
University of Saragossa

Muhsin Jassim Al-Musawi
American University in Sharjah

Editorial Assistant, Paul B. Nelson
Indiana University

"jal at indiana.edu"
----------------------------------------------------------

CURRENT ISSUE (JAL 32:1)

Articles:

SENSIBILITY AND SYNAESTHESIA: IBN AL-RUMI'S SINGING SLAVE GIRL
AKIKO MOTOYOSHI, Notre Dame Women's College of Kyoto

AL-RABITAH AL-QALAMIYAH, 1916
RICHARD ALAN POPP, Georgetown University

BLINDNESS TO BLINDNESS: TRAUMA, VISION AND POLITICAL CONSCIOUSNESS IN
GHASSAN KANAFANI'S RETURNING TO HAIFA
IAN CAMPBELL, Emory University

Review Article:

ABU TAHIR AL-SARAQUSTI, Las sesiones del Zaragoci : relatos picarescos
(maqamat) del siglo XII.  Tr. Ignacio Ferrando (reviewed by Douglas C.
Young, Stanford University)

Reviews:

JAMES E. MONTGOMERY, The Vagaries of the Qasidah: The Tradition and
Practice of Early Arabic Poetry (reviewed by Devin Stewart, Emory
University)

HOSSAIN BOUZINEB, Literatura de " castigos " o adoctrinamientos : Edicion,
estudio linguistico y literario y glosario (reviewed by Maria T. Narvaez
Cordova, University of Puerto Rico)

***************
UPCOMING ISSUE: Special issue on 'Abd al-Wahhab al-Bayati

**********************************************************************

Vol. 32, No. 2	Special Issue:  "PERHAPS A POET IS BORN OR DIES":
				THE POETICS OF 'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI
**********************************************************************

'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI'S "ODES TO JAFFA"
HUSSEIN N. KADHIM, Dartmouth College

THE MASKS OF 'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI
ISSA J. BOULLATA, McGill University

THE LIVES OF THE SUFI MASTERS IN 'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI'S POETRY
SAADI A. SIMAWE, Grinnell College

THE MISE-EN-SCENE OF 'WRITING' IN AL-BAYATI'S AL-KITABAH 'ALA AL-TIN
MOHAMMAD R. SALAMA, University of Wisconsin, Madison

DEFAMILIARIZATION IN THE POETRY OF 'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI AND T. S.
ELIOT: A COMPARATIVE STUDY
AIDA O. AZOUQA, The University of Jordan

'ABD AL-WAHHAB AL-BAYATI'S POETICS OF EXILE
MUHSIN JASSIM AL-MUSAWI, The American University in Sharjah



                         CALL FOR PAPERS

THE JOURNAL:

Since its inception in 1970 the Journal of Arabic Literature has provided
an international scholarly forum for the discussion of Arabic literature.
The Journal publishes literary critical, comparative and historical
studies, as well as reviews and bibliographies, on a broad range of Arabic
material--classical and modern, written and oral, poetry and prose,
literary and colloquial.  Studies that seek to integrate Arabic literature
into the broader discourses of the humanities and social sciences take
their place alongside technical work of a more specialized nature.  The
Journal thus addresses itself to a readership in comparative literature
and literary theory, in addition to specialists in Arabic and Middle
Eastern literatures and Middle East studies generally.

NOTES FOR CONTRIBUTORS:

We invite you to contribute to the Journal.  Please send submissions to:
Editor for Islamic Studies, Brill Publishers, P.O. Box 9000, 2300 PA
Leiden, The Netherlands. Contributions should be original work which has
neither been simultaneously submitted for publication elsewhere nor
published previously.  Although the primary language of the Journal is
English, submissions are also accepted in French and German.  Manuscripts
should be submitted in duplicate, double-spaced throughout (including
quotations, notes, bibliography) with notes at the end, and all pages
consecutively numbered.  They should be accompanied by a disk in
WordPerfect, Microsoft Word or ASCII formatting. The full address of the
author should appear at the end of the manuscript.

Manuscripts should be submitted in final publishable form. Full
and consistent bibliographical annotation is required (suggested systems
are the Chicago Manual of Style and Modern Language Association) and
consistent and appropriate transliteration of Arabic names and terms
(suggested systems are International Journal of Middle East Studies and
Library of Congress).  Authors will be required to supply camera-ready
copy of any Arabic text to be included in their articles.

In accordance with standard academic practice, articles submitted
for publication to JAL are subject to a process of peer review.

Authors of accepted contributions receive two sets of proofs for
proofreading. These should be returned promptly within the period
requested, with no corrections marked other than those made in the
conversion process. In the event of a multi-authored contribution, proofs
are sent to the first-named author unless otherwise requested.

Please note that JAL no longer publishes translations per se, but only
translations that form part of a literary study.

Authors of articles receive three complimentary issues of the journal (for
multi-authored contributions issues are sent to the first-named author).
Authors of book reviews receive one complimentary issue.


For more information, please contact the editor at:
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  2 16:31:54 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:31:54 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:More Acronyms
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1) Subject: More Acronyms
2) Subject: More Acronyms

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1)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: Tim Buckwalter <TimBuckwalter at aol.com>
Subject: More Acronyms

Here are some native Arabic acronyms that take the form of verbal nouns:
basmala, Hamdala, Hawqala, and sabHala.
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2)
Date:  02 Oct 2001
From: Iman Soliman <halleluiah3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: More Acronyms

Hello
Here are some more
El Commissa Comesa
(Al fao) FAO
(Al opec) OPEC
(El si ai eh) CIA
(Al ke gi bi0 KGB
Al Em bi si ) MBC
Eh are ti) ART
El bi bi si) BBC
Si en en ) CNN

Hope these are helpful
Good luck
Iman

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct  4 15:06:26 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:06:26 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:Acronyms
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1) Subject: Acronyms vs. blends
2) Subject: more acronyms
3) Subject: more acronyms
4) Subject: UNSCOM

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1)
Date:  04 Oct 2001
From: "sattar.izwaini at stud.umist.ac.uk" <Sattar.Izwaini at student.umist.ac.uk>
Subject: Acronyms vs. blends

It is important to differentiate between acronyms and blends. Some
of the examples given, such as basmala, Hamdala, Hawqala, and
sabHala, are actually blends where words are clipped and joined
together to generate a new word that produces other words such
as verbs, adjectives and adverbs, e.g. basmala: yubasmil,
mubasmilan etc.
Acronyms, on the other hand, are roughly initialisms. First letters
of words that compromise an expression are put together. An
acronym are usually pronounced as a word. It normally refers to an
entity, such as organizations and governmental institutions etc.
Examples: UNESCO, FatH.

Kind regards

Sattar Izwaini

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2)
Date:  04 Oct 2001
From: mughazy <mughazy at students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: more acronyms

Dear members of the list
Here are some more acronyms that are read as independent letters

Sad, laam, meem     Salla allhu 3alihi wasalam
geem, meem, 3ien    gumhureyyet maSr al-3arabiyya (Arab Republic of Egypt)
sheen, meem, meem   sharika maSreyya musaahima
qaaf, meem          qabl al-meelad (B.C.)
meem                meeladeyya (A.D.)
heh                 hijreyya (A.H.)
qaaf, 3ein          qiTaa3 3aam (public sector),
                     Also quwaat musallaHa (armed forces)
teh                 telifoon (phone)
seen, teh           segel tugaari (business record)
Saad,beh            Sandooq bareed (Postal Box)
sheen               street
Saad                SabaaHan (a.m.)
meem                masaa?an (p.m.)
geem                geneih (Egyptian pound)
kaaf, meem          keelo metr (kilometer)

Some titles
alef                ustaaz (Mr.)
daal                doctor (Dr.) or (prof.)
alef, daal          ustaaz doktoor
meem                muhanddis (engineer)
seen                sabeq (former)

There are many more register-specific ones that you can find only in
classified ads.
Hope these help

Mustafa A. Mughazy
Graduate student
Depatment of Linguistics
University of Illinois
Urbana Champaign

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3)
Date:  04 Oct 2001
From:  Jackie Murgida <jmurg at star.net>
Subject: more acronyms

Also, there's sl`m [sallaa allahu `alayhi wa-sallam, I think]...right? Which
I've seen as PBUH in English. And AlAkh [for ilaa aakhirihi].
Jackie

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Date:  04 Oct 2001
From:  Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: UNSCOM

Greetings / tahaiya tayyiba wa b3ad...
Yaa halla biljemaa3.

UN Special Commission on Iraq (common English acronynm of UNSCOM) appears in
Arabic media as

        unsiikowm < alif-noon-seen-kaf-waw-miim,
                        also sometimes as < alif-noon-seen-yaa-kaf-waw-miim >.

American media reference were: "UNS-com" ("uns" pronounced as in "buns").

HTH. Khair, in sha' Allah.
Regards,
Stephen H. Franke
(UNSCOM inspector, Baghdad, 1991)

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct  4 15:07:01 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:07:01 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Enrollment Bump response
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Date:  04 Oct 2001
From: Farouk Mustafa <fawm at midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Enrollment Bump response

Enrollment in Elementary Arabic at the University of Chicago has
tripled; we now have three sections compared to just one in the past.
Farouk

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:26:39 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:26:39 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:New Book
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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Ignacio Ferrando Frutos <ignacio.ferrando at uca.es>
Subject: New Book:History of Arabic Language

A new book on the history of Arabic language (in Spanish) written by
Ignacio Ferrando (Cadiz University, Spain).
A new book has appeared dealing with the history of Arabic language:
Its title is "Introducci?n a la historia de la lengua ?rabe. Nuevas
perspectivas", Zaragoza, 2001 (270 pages). It offers a comprehensive
view of the main phases of the Arabic language, starting from its
position within the Semitic languages phylum, following with the
contrast between Southarabic and Northarabic, Protoarabic
inscriptions, Arabic before Islam (ancient dialects), the emergence
of the so-called poetic koin?, the Coran and preislamic prose and
poetry, the work of Arabic grammarians and their efforts to
standardize the language, the emergence of diglossia and the
Neo-Arabic lingual type, Middle Arabic, the emergence of Neo-Arabic
dialects, Modern Standard Arabic and the nowadays linguistic
situation in the Arab world. It includes, at the end of each chapter,
a "further reading" section, and also a commented comprehensive
bibliography (45 pages). As an appendix, readers will find a
selection of ten texts edited in Arabic and translated into Spanish
dealing with some aspects of the history of Arabic, trying to bring
the reader closer to Arabic sources and critical studies.
The overall aim of the book is to present a critical review of what
we know about Arabic language through its history. In doing so,
attention is constantly paid to the dialects of Arabic, for classical
standard Arabic, in spite of its historic and cultural primary
importance, is nothing but another variety of Arabic, and it is well
known that many an archaic linguistic feature is better preserved in
the dialects than in classical usage. So it is important not to
forget the data provided by Arabic dialects in trying to explain
diachronic development.

Orders may be sent to Portico Librerias (e-mail
portico at zaragoza.net). The current prize is 22.84 ? euros (about 20
U.S. $).

Ignacio Ferrando
Area de Estudios Arabes
Facultad de Filosof?a y Letras
Universidad de C?diz

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:35:25 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:35:25 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:Transliteration of Arabic in Quark
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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: "Prof D.J. Mattingly" <djm7 at leicester.ac.uk>
Subject: Transliteration of Arabic in Quark

Dear list members,
I have a query about the transliteration of Arabic (use of long vowels,
etc) within the DTP package Quark. Does anyone have experience of (a)
setting these up in Quark and (b) (better still) know of a way of not
losing this formatting when importing text from Word into Quark. I am
trying to assist a copy editor in this process, so any help will be most
gratefully received.

Thank you,

David Mattingly
Professor of Roman Archaeology,
School of Archaeological Studies,
University of Leicester,
Leicester, LE1 7RH, UK
Tel: (00-44-)-(0)116-2522610
Fax: (00-44-)-(0)116-2525005
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:39:36 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:39:36 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Acronyms
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1) Subject: Acronym refs query
2) Subject: More Acronyms
3) Subject: Alternate meanings of Acronyms

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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Kirk Belnap <rkb at email.byu.edu>
Subject: Acronym refs query

I'd be curious to know if anyone could recommend any work done on Arabic
acronyms.  I'm asking for a colleague.
Best,
Kirk

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2)
Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: More Acronyms

How about, for an example in the Qur'aan,  Suura[t]  Taa'  haa'
for Suurah #20.                  --Mike Schub

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3)
Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Waheed Samy <wasamy at umich.edu>
Subject: Alternate meanings of Acronyms

>qaaf, 3ein          qiTaa3 3aam (public sector),

I would like to add, as a bit of background information,
that, for some, qaaf 3ein, which used to be a plate that
was affixed to automobile license plates, also signified qat3an 3arS

There are other such instances.  For example,
there was a soap called G 11 (giim HidAshAr).
One interpretation of that G 11 was
gawa3tuuna waaHid waaHid

Waheed
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:36:12 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:36:12 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:bosta info
Message-ID: <MON.8.OCT.2001.143612.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Srpko Lestaric <srpkole at EUnet.yu>
Subject: bosta info


A year ago we had this topic discussed on the list. However, just
have a look at what I found out the other day in A Dictionary of
Vernacular Terms and Expressions (qaamuus al-muSTalaHaat wa
at-ta3aabiir al-sha3biyya -- mu3jam lahji ta'Siili folklori) by Ahmad
Abu Sa'd, Librairie du Liban, Beirut, 1987, p.365:

buusTa: (min al-'iiTaaliyya Posta, naxla L159): ma3naahaa fi al-'aSl
markaba 'aw miHaffa xayl li-naql al-musaafiriin wa al-bariid, wa
tuTlaq 3indanaa 3ala sayyaara naql al-rukkaab al-kabiira. j: buusTaat.

and a few lines before that:

'uutuubiis: (min al-faransiyya Autobus): sayyaara kabiira tanqul
al-rukkaab. wa lafZa 'uutuubiis shaa'i3a fi al-madiina 'ammaa fi
al-qura fa-yaquuluun "buusTa".

The author is a Lebaneese and the dictionary is more than a piece of cake.

Regards,
Srpko Lestaric

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:29:38 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:29:38 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:@
Message-ID: <MON.8.OCT.2001.142938.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu.
Subject: @

I have been asked by an editor what Arabs call @.  It seems like this
has been brought up here before, but I couldn't remember the answer.
So:
1) what do you call it when referring to the typological symbol (the
'at sign')?
2) what do you call it when spelling out an e-mail address?
thanks,
Dil
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:33:44 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:33:44 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Tufts , Birmingham, Wellesley Jobs
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1) Subject: Tufts job
2) Subject: Birmingham Job
3) Subject:Wellesley Job

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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: reposted from Arabic-Info
Subject: Tufts job

Tufts University
Assistant Professor of Arabic Language and Literature
beginning Sept. 2002; tenure track

Area of research interest: Arabic literature/culture, period open

Required: PhD in Arabic literature/culture by time of appointment; native or
near native fluency in both Arabic and English; teaching experience at the
college level highly desirable;

Responsibilities include: teaching two courses per semester in Arabic
language and literature; advising students and directing independent studies;
building and, in the future, directing the Arabic Program; active research
and publication; demonstrated excellence in scholarship.

Letter of application, CV and three letters of recommendation should be sent
directly to: Professor Vida Johnson, chair, Department of German Russian and
Asian Languages and Literatures, Tufts University, Medford, MA 02155. Review
of applications begins November 15 and continues until the position is
filled.

Tufts University is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity employer. We are
committed to increasing the diversity of our faculty. Members of
underrepresented groups are strongly encouraged to apply.

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2)
Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: reposted from Arabic-Info
Subject: Birmingham job

THE UNIVERSITY OF BIRMINGHAM

LECTURER IN ISLAMIC STUDIES

Required with a specialism in Qur'an and Hadith and to contribute
especially to the development of the undergraduate programme in Islamic
studies. You will have a PhD or be very close to completing a PhD in a
relevant field, be fluent in English and competent in Arabic language and
have teaching experience at degree level. Ref A30916/01


LECTURER IN ARABIC LANGUAGE AND CULTURE

Required to contribute to the undergraduate programme in Islamic studies
and to the development of Arabic language teaching in the Department and
the School. You will have a PhD or be very close to completing a PhD in a
relevant field, be fluent in both Arabic and English Language and have
teaching experience at degree level. Ref A30917/01

For both posts, salary on a range 20,267 - 24,193.

Application forms (returnable by 23 October 2001) and details from
Personnel Services, The University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, Birmingham
B15 2TT, tel: 0121 414 6481 web: (http://www.bham.ac.uk/personnel/).
Please quote relevant reference.

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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: reposted from Arabic-Info
Subject: Wellesley job


Wellesley College, Massachusetts
Arabic

Wellesley College seeks applications for a one-year, non-tenure
track appointment (with possibility of renewal) in Arabic language,
beginning in Fall 2002. The successful candidate will have responsibility
for teaching two courses in Elementary and two courses in Intermediate
Modern Standard Arabic. Native or near-native fluency is required, and
language teaching experience is preferred. Salary is competitive and
commensurate with credentials. Wellesley College is an Equal Opportunity,
Affirmative Action educational institution and employer; successful
candidates must be able to work effectively in a culturally diverse
environment. Applications from women, minorities, veterans, and candidates
with disabilities are encouraged. Please send letter of application,
curriculum vitae, graduate transcripts and three letters of reference to
Arabic Search Committee, c/o Department of Religion, Wellesley College,
106 Central Street, Wellesley, Massachusetts 02481. Deadline for
applications: December 14, 2001.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct  8 20:40:27 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:40:27 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Enrollment Bump response
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Date:  08 Oct 2001
From: Raji Rammuny <raram at umich.edu>
Subject: Enrollment Bump response

We at the U  of M have  four sections of Elementary Arabic, two
sections of Intermediate Arabic, 19 Undergrad concentrators in Arabic
and 20 graduate students in Arabic and Islamic Studies.
Raji

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  9 15:19:32 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:19:32 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:@ response
Message-ID: <TUE.9.OCT.2001.091932.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Hossam Ibrahim <hdilinguistics at yahoo.com>
Subject: @ response

Dear Dil,
It's rather controversial.  As a native speaker of Egyptian Arabic, I
refer to the symbol saying "at" when spelling emails.  Otherwise,
there is a tendency to avoid referring to these symbols as much as
possible (@#^). ?I only know the English words for them, and most of
the people use the English word when they refer me to any of these
symbols.  However, I am not sure if it is a coincident that happens
with me alone.
Regards,
Hossam

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  9 15:16:16 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:16:16 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Statement Text query
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Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu>
Subject: Statement Text query

Hi,
I have had several students ask me where they can find the text of
Bin Laden's statement in Arabic.  I was easily able to find what
looked like a couple of good translations of it in English on the
Web, but was unable to locate a copy of the Arabic original.  Does
anyone have a web address where I could get it?
Thanks,
dil

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  9 15:17:51 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:17:51 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Acronyms
Message-ID: <TUE.9.OCT.2001.091751.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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2) Subject: Acronyms refs ref

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1)
Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Manfred Woidich <mwoidich at hotmail.com>
Subject: Acronyms

Another Egyptian acronym:  shiin kaaf 3een is used to ridicule the
Shara'wa, i.e. the inhabitants of the province ishShar?yya. It is an
abbreviation of shar'aawi kawirk 3abiiT and is of course
reinterpreted by the Shara'wa as shar'aawi kariim 3aZiim.

Manfred Woidich

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Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: Acronyms refs ref

  Dear Kirk,
      Please contact  <sattar.izwaini at student.umist.ac.uk>
about acronyms.
      Best wishes,                --Mike Schub

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct  9 22:10:16 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:10:16 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Statement websites
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1)
Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu>
Subject: Statement websites

I got over twenty responses to my request for sites.  Thanks to
everyone.  I'm not going to post them all, but will post the first
ones that arrived and one with a little extra info. Translations (not
necessarily perfect) of the text can be had at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1585000/1585636.stm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/08/world1/world13.html

One Arabic class in our department had students listening, following
along, and looking up words in the translation that they were
unfamiliar with and it was pretty exciting for them to feel
'current'.  So thanks again for your help.
Dil

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Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Youb Benyoucef <sakhrus at erols.com>
Subject: Statement websites

[these URLs include both the written text in Arabic and the streaming video]

http://www.elaph.com:9090/elaph/arabic/frontendProcess.jsp?SCREENID=article&
COMMAND=fe.article&FEPAGEPARM=1002493570416644600

http://alsaha.fares.net/sahat?14 at 154.0q7sbFRX3oc^5 at .eedc2e9


http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/streams/video/2001/10/7/1_59233_1_12.ASF

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Date:  09 Oct 2001
From: Dale Frakes <dfrakes at egr.up.edu>
Subject: Statement websites

Hello everyone!
I was lucky enough to be recording Al Jazeera when they released his taped
statement.  I have recorded into my computer the statement made by Bin
Laden after the bombing started in Afghanistan. This recording is
available on my website in MP3 format at:
http://www.egr.up.edu/contacts/dfrakes/arabic
Look down at "news" and it's the first item.  It is just over a megabyte,
so even over a modem, it should only take about 5 to 10 minutes to
download.
This isn't the full text that was requested, but he speaks in a clear
manner, and with the texts of the translations available as a reference,
it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with a transcription.
I hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Dale Frakes
PS I also have the statements of Aiman Al-Thowahari (sp?) the leader of
Islamic Jihad Movement (from the same tape).  If anyone wants that, I can
produce it as well.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:22:29 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:22:29 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:More Info on Statement
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.112229.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: More Info on bin Laden Statement
2) Subject: More Info on bin Laden Statement
3) Subject: Info on handwritten note source
4) Subject: request for handwritten note text

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1)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: nagwa hedayet <nhedayet at yahoo.com>
Subject: More Info on bin Laden Statement

The text is in an article on page #4 in   the Egyptian news paper "
al- djomhouriyya" dated Mon. 8th of Oct.  May be you can get it from
their home page.
Nagwa Hedayet

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2)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Ola Moshref <omoshref at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: More Info on bin Laden Statement

Bin Laden's statement was published in the Egyptian Al-akhbar newspaper of
Monday October 8th, page 6.

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3)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: Info on handwritten note source


FYI, re the multi-page letter left by the terrorists on the Sep 11
attacks: The FBI has released images of the letter that had been sent
to the terrorists who carried out the attacks on New York and
Washington.

You can find them on the FBI Press Release pages:
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/attack/arabic/letter.htm
Quality of the imagery is not too great, plus parts of the
handwriting are hard to discern.
HTH.  Khair, in sha' Allah.
Regards from Los Angeles,
Stephen H. Franke

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4)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Brian D Bishop <bdb at email.byu.edu>
Subject: request for handwritten note source

I've seen images of the handwritten Arabic note that was found in the
luggage left by the hijackers, but have not been able to locate a copy
of the text.  Would anyone know where that could be found?  Thank you,
Brian Bishop

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:29:21 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:29:21 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:@ sign
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.112921.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: @ sign
2) Subject: @ sign

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Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: "Christopher M. Bennett" <cbennett3 at cox.rr.com>
Subject: @ sign

There is a discussion of the ?@? at the following link

<http://home.bluemarble.net/~langmin/@name.htm>http://home.bluemarble.net/~langmin/@name.htm

and a somewhat longer discussion

<http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/7/7-968.html>http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/7/7-968.html

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Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: ahmed abboud <ahmedabboud at hotmail.com>
Subject: @ sign

Hossam's question is quite relevant to what almost the majority of
Arabic speakers feel(I'm an Iraqi living in Sweden).
Dear Hossam,
You know that when there's no correspondence to certain terms in a
foreign language the best way is to transliterate that term into
Arabic that's to say to render a phonetic transfer of the term into
Arabic and the second step is to make that term as suitable as
possible to the Arabic sound system(phonology), ex.:Democracy.
Best regards,
Ahmed

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:25:55 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:25:55 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:ALC Arabic Linguist job
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.112555.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: American Association of Teachers of Arabic <aata at wm.edu>
Subject: ALC Arabic Linguist job


>  ALC is currently recruiting experienced Arabic linguist that meet the
>following qualifications:
>
>  * Must be a US Citizen
>* Must have been granted or be able to obtain a minimum of a DoD SECRET
>security clearance  (no Felony record)
>* Must be able to pass the US State Department Test for Arabic into English
>and English into Arabic (both written and spoken)
>* English ability must be at a minimum of a ninth grade US High School level
>* Must pass a medical physical to determine your fitness to deploy into one
of the locations where we have personnel
* Must have a valid US Driver's license (issued by any State) and obtain an
International Driver's license
* Recommend you have a US issued Tourist Passport although not required (we
will process you for an Official US Passport)
* Must have or obtain all required immunizations for travel into overseas
locations
* Must be familiar with word processing programs (Microsoft Word) and be
somewhat computer literate
If you meet the following qualifications and you're interested please send
an updated resume by email to Humanresources at alcinc.com or fax to
301-881-6877.

Dolores Hernandez
Marketing Specialist
AllWorld Language Consultants Inc.
172 Rollins Ave.
Rockville, Maryland 20852
301-881-8884
888-818-0101
301-881-6877 fax
www.alcinc.com
www.alc.tv
www.alcsecurity.com

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:26:37 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:26:37 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Needs info on History of Arabic Language Book
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Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: "Abu-Abbas, Khaled Hasan" <kabbas at ku.edu>
Subject: Needs info on History of Arabic Language Book

Greetings all,
I'm very interested in the new book"History of Arabic Language". The problem
is that I don't know Spanish.I wonder if the author could provide me with
the English references he used. I'll be grateful.
My e-mail is kabbas at ku.edu
Thank you all.
Khaled Abu Abbas
University of Kansas

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:23:41 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:23:41 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LIT:Iraqi Literature and Art Expo
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.112341.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Iraqi Literature and Art Expo

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1)
Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Saadi Simawe <simawe at grinnell.edu>
Subject: Iraqi Literature and Art Expo

A Symposium and exhibition on Iraqi literature and art to be held at
Grinnell College in Iowa next year on 29-31 January, 2002. The
exhibition of Iraqi painting will continue through March. For more
information, contact Saadi Simawe and Kay Wilson Jenkins, at
simawe at grinnell edu and jenkins at grinnell.edu

And visit the site

http://www.grinnell.edu/faulconergallery/iraq/
Saadi A. Simawe

E-Mail:simawe at grinnell.edu   English/Africana Studies Concentration
(641) 269-4804 office
Grinnell College                                 Fax:(641)269-4985
Grinnell, IA 50112

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:27:23 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:27:23 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:More Acronyms
Message-ID: <THU.11.OCT.2001.112723.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Jan Hoogland <j.hoogland at let.kun.nl>
Subject: More Acronyms

Here some acronyms which I can't remember to have seen in the earlier
responses:

taa'		tilifuun
jim		jawaab (in police reports for ex)
sin		su'aal (same)
dhal		'ustaadh (lawyer, judge etc.)
sin taa'	sijill tijaariyy (trade register)
sin mim	centimetre
shin		shaari3 (street)
Saad		SafHa (page)
Saad Baa'	Sunduuq al-bariid (P.O. Box)

Jan

Jan (Abu Samir) Hoogland
Department of Arabic, Nijmegen University (the Netherlands)
PO Box 9103, NL 6500 HD Nijmegen, the Netherlands
phone +-31-24-3615676, fax +-31-24-3500719, E-mail: J.HOOGLAND at LET.KUN.NL
website: http://www.let.kun.nl/~j.hoogland/

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:42:10 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:42:10 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:the Phoenix
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Date:  11 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu>
Subject: the Phoenix

A colleague of mine is researching the myth of the phoenix, and he
finds refernces to an origin in Arabic (the word 9anqaa').  He would
like to know if there is a myth associated with this legendary bird
in Arabic, and if anyone knows of any mideaval sources for this myth.
thanks.
dil

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:16:21 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:16:21 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Phoenix responses
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2) Subject: Phoenix response

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1)
Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: "Munther A. Younes" <may2 at cornell.edu>
Subject: Phoenix response

Part of the story "Wakeel al-Bahr wal-TayTawa" in the "Lion and Ox"
chapter of Kalila wa Dimna by Ibn al-Muqaffa9 deals with al-9anqaa',
the queen of the birds.

Munther Younes
Cornell University

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2)
Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: Phoenix response

See *1001 Nights* (translated by E. Lane), Chap 20, n.22; and
Lane's Dictionary, p. 2177, Column 1, middle.
[The Hebrew cognate means "giant."]  Best wishes,
                                       Mike Schub

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:07:14 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:07:14 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:@ sign
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Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: Devin Stewart <dstewar at LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Subject: @ sign

It might interest people to know that the name for @ in Spanish is
actually of Arabic origin:
@ in Spanish is  arroba < Ar. ar-rub3
originally meaning 25 pounds, or one quarter of a qinTaar > Sp. quintal.

Devin Stewart, Chair
Department of Middle Eastern Studies
Emory University
Atlanta, GA 30322
(404) 727-4625 ; fax (404) 727-2133

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:17:13 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:17:13 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Online Arabic to English Translation from Sakhr
Message-ID: <FRI.12.OCT.2001.161713.0600.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: Online Arabic to English Translation from Sakhr

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1)
Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: Digitek <sakhrus at erols.com>
Subject: Online Arabic to English Translation from Sakhr

Press Release_________________________________________________________

Digitek International,
Inc.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Falls
Church VA 22043

Online Arabic-to-English Translation from Sakhr

Online Version Gives the Gist of Al-Jazeera and Other Arabic Sites

Washington, October 11, 2001- Get the gist of Arabic news and
websites, such as Al-Jazeera TV's website at
<http://www.aljazeera.net/>www.aljazeera.net, in English. Digitek
International is pleased to announce that Sakhr Software has put the
latest beta version of its Arabic-to-English translation software
online at
<http://tarjim.ajeeb.com/ajeeb/default.asp?lang=1>http://tarjim.ajeeb.com/ajeeb/default.asp?lang=1.

Like beta versions of all machine translation tools, the output is
not perfect but it certainly does give a good sense of the Arabic
article it translates. Try it on leading news sites such as
<http://www.al-hayat.com/>www.al-hayat.com,
<http://www.alahram.org.eg/>www.alahram.org.eg,
<http://www.moheet.com/>www.moheet.com, or
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/arabic>www.bbc.co.uk/arabic and read what the
Arab press is saying in Lebanon, Egypt, and elsewhere.

The Tarjim website is a free service to the world community. It
translates webpages as well as copied or typed in text. Once you use
Tarjim to translate one page on a website such as Al-Jazeera, a click
on any link on that page will take you to another automatically
translated webpage. Tarjim also enables you to use Arabic search
engines such as Dalil to search for a story and get the results in
English.

For a taste of what Sakhr's Arabic to English translator will soon
become try the English to Arabic direction on Tarjim. Sakhr's English
to Arabic translator was its first machine translation product and
yields much higher quality results. The free online English to Arabic
translator allows you to choose specific topic areas to sharpen the
accuracy of the translation.

Sakhr Software's translation development team updates the Tarjim
Arabic to English translator daily with improvements. While most
software development houses would hesitate to give public access to
an unfinished product, Sakhr realizes that many people are more
interested in knowing what the Arab press and websites are saying
than in having a perfectly constructed translation. For the curious,
the translation site provides an opportunity to track daily the
improved accuracy and speed of a work in progress.

Sakhr is the world's leading developer and publisher of Arabic and
bilingual speech, translation, and document handling software. It's
product line includes a wide range of customized solutions as well as
retail products for language learning, language resources, children's
entertainment, and family software. Digitek International represents
Sakhr Software in North America.

For more information, contact:

Mark Meinke, Digitek International, (703) 8830134

or email: info at sakhrus.com


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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:17:59 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:17:59 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Harvard Job
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Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: William Granara <granara at fas.harvard.edu>
Subject: Harvard Job

Please post. Many thanks, wg


POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT

PRECEPTOR IN MODERN ARABIC LANGUAGE

Harvard University

The Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations
seeks applications for a preceptor in Modern Arabic beginning September
2002.  The position is renewable on a yearly basis, not to exceed eight
years.

The successful applicant should be familiar with the issues of
teaching Arabic as a foreign language, have experience in teaching all
ilevels of Modern Standard Arabic, have native or near native proficiency
in Arabic, and must be able to conduct upper level courses in Arabic.
Specialization in modern Arabic literature or Arabic intellectual history
is highly desirable.

Letters of application (accompanied by CV and names and addresses
of referees) should be sent no later than December 30, 2001 to:

Prof. William Granara
Harvard University
Center for Middle Eastern Studies
1737 Cambridge St.
Cambridge, MA  02138

[Harvard University is an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer
and does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, sex, sexual or
affectational preference, age, religion, national or ethnic origin.]

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:19:36 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:19:36 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:CBS Wants You
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1)
Date:  12 Oct 2001
From:  GnhBos at aol.com
Subject: CBS Wants You

Dear List Members,

Please respond to the following message, directly. You may mention
how you got his contact information:

--
Hi, I'm a segment producer for a Major News Network in New York City.
I'm researching a story on Arab Americans who are interested in helping
the U.S. government by working as translators.  If you have applied to be
a translator for a government agency,  I'd love to chat with you as to
why you're interested in helping.  I'm looking to profile someone for a
news story I'm doing.  If you're interested in chatting with me please call
or email me.  My name is Michael Kaas.  My email is:  mk1 at cbsnews.com
My phone number at work is 212-975-7805. Thanks so much.
--

Best Regards,

George N. Hallak
AramediA Group
761 Adams Street
Boston, MA 02122, USA

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:20:36 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:20:36 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Help in Understanding Bin Laden Statement
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Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: "Robert R. Ratcliffe" <ratcliffe at tufs.ac.jp>
Subject: Help in Understanding Bin Laden Statement

?I downloaded a text of Bin Ladin's statement on Monday from the
Labanese newspaper as-Safiir, and have been reading it with my
students. There are some things in it I don't understand. There also
appear to be some mistakes and omissions in the English version
available on Yahoo, but perhaps there are different versions of the
original. Anyway, I wonder if list members could help me with the
following

1. What does "mujanzar" mean? Wehr's dictionary gives "track-laying
vehicle,"  but does it refer to some specific piece of equipment?

2. How do you translate "taCiith fasaadan". Wehr gives "wreak havoc,
lay waste" But the Yahoo (AP?) translation is "infest"

The relevant passage is: daxala dabbaabaat wa mujanzaraat
isra'iiliiya l-taCiith fii 'arD filisTiin fasaadan.
Yahoo's translation:"Israeli tanks infest Palestine"
I believe this says "Israeli tanks and ?mujanzaraat? entered
Palestinian territory to wreak havoc"

3. My text has the phrase "Calaa hadhihi al-fi'a alatii xarajat
taqarru bi-diinihaa (?bi-dainihaa) ilaa allah"

The last part of this phrase is obscure to me, but I think it says
"Against this group which has gone out committed in its religion to
God." (or possibly to settle their debt to God?)

The Yahoo translation of this bit has " to this treachery , and they
want to wag their tail at God." This makes me think that their
original has "fitna" for "fi'a" and dhail (dhal-yaa-lam) for diin
(dal-yaa-nuun). The phrase following this doesn't correlate at all
with my Arabic text, by the way.

Anyway, thanks for your help with this.

Salaam,

Robert

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:21:29 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:21:29 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Degree Via Distance Learning?
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Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: Chris Holman <veracocha at hotmail.com>
Subject: Degree Via Distance Learning?

Hello friends...

I am curious as to what schools, if any, in the U.S. or abroad offer
a degree in Arabic, Middle Eastern Studies, or related fields through
a distance learning program. I have a student who has accumulated
Arabic credits through his schooling at the Defense Language
Institute and he is trying to apply them to a degree in Arabic but
the University of Oregon doesn't offer one at this time. Any help
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris Holman
Arabic Instructor
Yamada Language Center
University of Oregon
Chrish at oregon.uoregon.edu

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Fri Oct 12 22:23:37 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:23:37 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:Needs Translations of Words in Transliteration
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Date:  12 Oct 2001
From: Mischa KK Bagley <mischa333 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Needs Translations of Words in Transliteration

Greetings. Would anyone be good enough to give me the
Arabic words for the following 10 terms with your
answers in the Roman alphabet: (1) life; (2) activity;
(3) active; (4) busy person; (5) curious; (6) meeting
place; (7) party; (8) society; (9) going out; (10)
gregarious.

Also, can anyone refer me to a website where I can
consult an English-Arabic dictionary or get an
English-Arabic translation with responses in the Roman
alphabet.  I'm a writer with a fairly frequent
requirement for this facility at the moment.  Many
thanks in advance.  Mischa KK BAgley

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 15 14:04:00 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:04:00 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Degree Via Distance Learning response
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1)
Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: GnhBos at aol.com
Subject: Degree Via Distance Learning response

The Arab Academy is pleased to announce the launching of its School.
The school offers Arabic as a Foreign Language for Years 1 - 12.  The
school is the perfect solution for families as it allows young children
to study Arabic from wherever they are and be supervised by
professional teachers who are native speakers of Arabic.  Group
Licensing for educational institutions is also available.  Huge
reductions for family registration.

To register for the school visit:
http://www.arabacademy.com/MAIN/ONLINE/registration_home_schooling_e.htm

The Arab Academy's university has been running since
September 2000 and over 2500 students from 90 countries
have studied Arabic online via the Academy.  The university
serves individuals and institutions.

To register for the university visit:
http://www.arabacademy.com/main/online/registrar_e.shtml

The Arab Academy's library serves institutions with ongoing
Arabic language programs as it provides them with a large
variety of online interactive resources: activities, games and tests.

To register for the library (institutions only) visit:
http://www.arabacademy.com/Subscription_Resource_Center_e.htm


For more information, contact AramediA.

Best Regards,

George N. Hallak
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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:02:34 -0600
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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: GnhBos at aol.com
Subject: 'Needs Translations' Response

Salaam Mischa,

An Nakel, Machine Translation software, provides an online
free service. For more information: Contact AramediA.

Dictionary online:
http://www.cimos.com/DictNet.htm

Translation online:
http://www.cimos.com/TradNet.htm

Best Regards,

George N. Hallak
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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: dwilmsen <dwilmsen at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: 'Needs Translations' Response

Hello,

One thing you should take into account is that translation is usually carried
out into the so-called "modern standard Arabic", which is a variety that
no-one speaks.  So if you are looking to pepper your text with realistic terms
from dialogue, you had better not just rely upon any translation (there is an
entry on Arabic-L about an on-line English to Arabic translator, have you seen
it?).

That is one thing.  The other is that the colloquial terms for everyday
concepts will vary from place to place, usually falling out into broad dialect
areas (eg. Egyptian, Levantine, Penninsular and Gulf, Yemeni, North African)
with many sub-dialects within those broad areas.

Lastly, the transaltion of any individual terms often depends upon context
(this is true, of course, with any language).

That being said, the Egyptian Arabic for your terms are as follows:



(1) life

el-hayaa

(2) activity

nashaat Pl. anshita

(3) active

do you mean an active person?

if so  nashiit, fem nashita

(4) busy person

do you mena he or she is busy right now or very often busy?

then he is mashghuul, she is mashghula


(5) curious

do you mean he or she is curious, in the sense of wondering about things?

then he is faduul, she is fadula

(6) meeting place

There is no particular name for this in Egyptian, if by that you mean a
regular hangout for the gang.  There are some such words in highly classical
Arabic, which someone might use humoroulsy - and perhpas not be understood.
The word for "place" is "makaan".

i'll ask my wife if there is any particularly Egyptian word for hangout.

(7) party

hafla

(8) society

mugtama

(9) going out

I suppose you mean this as it migh be used in "I am going out tonight?"

the actual event is called khuruga, I coould say "ana (I) khaarig" i.e., "I am
going out"  You would say "ana kharga".  The two of us would say "ihna
khargiin"

(10)gregarious

igtima'i  (ther is an Arabic sound represented here by the apostrophe.  this
is not to accurate since there is another sound also represented in
transliteration by the apostrophe.  The sound in igtima'i is also somtimes
represented as an a superscript c or a backwards questiopnmark or sometimes a
9.  In smoothly flowing English writing none of these, excpet perhaps the
superscript, are terribly appealing.  What are you writing, BTW?)

Good luck

David Wilmsen
Director, Arabic and Translation Studies
The American University in Cairo
28 Falaki Street
Bab El-Louk
Cairo, Egypt
tel:  2 02 7976872
fax:  2 02 7957565

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:05:47 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Phoenix response
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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: Srpko Lestaric <srpkole at EUnet.yu>
Subject: Phoenix response

There is an article on al-3anqaa' by 3abd al-jabbaar maHmuud
al-saamarraa'i in Baghdadi periodical "al-turaath al-sha3bi", 9/1972,
pp.97-102.

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Srpko Lestaric

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:05:01 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Acronyms
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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: nagwa hedayet <nhedayet at yahoo.com>
Subject: Acronyms

Dear colleague,
I do not think that dhal is used for  'ustadh or judge  but in all
instances I know of it is used for  : doctor (physician) or
university professor.

Nagwa Hedayet
Hedayet Institute for Arabic Studies
72,Rd. # 10
Maadi ,Cairo, Egypt

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 15 13:59:41 2001
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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:59:41 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Gulf Pidgin Arabic query
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Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: catherine miller <catherine.miller at wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Gulf Pidgin Arabic query

I'm looking for references on a 'Gulf Arabic Pidgin'
Thanks
Catherine Miller

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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:11:30 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Understanding Bin Laden text
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1)
Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: Ola Moshref <omoshref at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

1. mujanzar: from janziir (Persian) = a chain ('il-munjid dictionary)
                                                     in MSA it means a large
steel chain
what we understand from mujanzaraat is strong bulky equipment of war or
destrruction.

2. taCiith = to spoil  / Catha fii maali-h = wasted his money ('il-munjid)
we usually use it in collocotion with fasaad to mean spread evil.

3. Cala hadhihi il-fi'a allati xarajat tafirru bi-diini-ha ila alla
he said tafirru meaninig to flee
when someone leaves one's country, that is oppresive, seeking God's refuge,
one is fleeing away to God in hope that God would safeguard one's religion
and beliefs from being corrupted.

Ola

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2)
Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: Chris Holman <veracocha at hotmail.com>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

1. What does "mujanzar" mean?

Answer: Mujanzara is an Armored Vehicle.??

2. How do you translate "taCiith fasaadan". Wehr gives "wreak havoc,
lay waste" But the Yahoo (AP?) translation is "infest"
The relevant passage is: daxala dabbaabaat wa mujanzaraat
isra'iiliiya l-taCiith fii 'arD filisTiin fasaadan.

Answer: I'm not sure what you are representing with the C in taCiith
but it could be ta'sees which would mean
establishing/instituting/forming......fasaadan is talking about
corruption/immorality/vainness/etc.??So in summary this phrase could
mean that the Israeli tanks and armored vehicles?entered, for the
establishment/making/creating?a corrupt/perverted/unsound Palestinian
Land.??(Due to their presence...much like the U.S. presence in
Saudi...at least to Bin Laden.)??

3. My text has the phrase "Calaa hadhihi al-fi'a alatii xarajat

taqarru bi-diinihaa (?bi-dainihaa) ilaa allah"

The last part of this phrase is obscure to me, but I think it says
"Against this group which has gone out committed in its religion to
God." (or possibly to settle their debt to God?)

Answer: I think you are right.  However, Diin is a more correct
transliteration because dain, to me, when said would mean Debt.
Dain/Dayoon.  Whereas Diin or Deen is religion.  deen/adeean.  Fia is
more like organization than group but the meaning is still there.

I haven't looked at the Arabic text yet but this is my take going off
of your transliteration.  Hope it helps a bit.

Chris Holman

<mailto:Chrish at oregon.uoregon.edu>Chrish at oregon.uoregon.edu

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3)
Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: Akram Khabibullaev <athabib at ias.edu>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

Dear colleague,

"mujanzara" means caterpillar vehicle, and "'aatha (ya'iith, ta'iith)
fasaadan" - to sow evil. Baranov's dictionary gives these meanings.

Best wishes,
Akram Khabibullaev

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4)
Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: Waleed Al-Amri <waleed at talk21.com>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

in order to understand the Bin Laden discourse and how it came to be
translated as such one has got to keep in mind a number of things:

1- that bin laden's discourse combines the political tirade and, to a much
greater degree, the religious sermon, to address the mind and stir emotions,
respectively. Such a combination of generic elements is entirely appropriate
in socio-textual practice of language cultures such as militant religious
Arabic. It has been used by intellectual sheikhs in Saudi Arabia in their
lectures (sermons) since the late 80s or what is known as Sahwa (lit.
awakening). This type of discourse is characterised by lexical repetition,
parallelism, intertextual references, sustained metaphors and
over-lexicalisation which is a means of foregrounding by drawing attention
to prominent lexical choices that relay a discourse and create a text world
in which external enemies are identified on both political and moral
grounds.

2- When such a text is given to a translator he/she has to make a number of
decisions based on linguistic necessities, at the level of lexical selection
(collocation imagery and so on), and political constraints (pressures). Both
will be informed by the skopos (purpose) that the initiator (the one who
gives the task) puts forward. There are broadly two techniques for the
translation of such a text: domestication, i.e. getting rid of the foreign
element, or more likely  foriegnization, keeping the form and the flavour of
the original, which in a way works to highlight the "alienness" of the
original and thus supporting the fear of the unknown that some people might
have: whatever the translator is told to do my guess is the feel of Bin
Laden's stamen is very different between the Arabic original and its English
translation (s). It also has to be said that such a translation is
characterised by hetro-glossia, presenting many voices. The translator's
draft will be subjected to mediation by, say, the editor to make it serve
certain purposes. It is a media war as much as any other form of war!

3- As for 'dabbaabaat wa mujanzaraat' my guess is that they both mean one
and the same thing and that is only a tautology necessiated by the occasion
and/or how people are used to them both coming together in Arabic just like
"aiding and abetting", "null and void", "ways and means". Mujanzaraat comes
from Janzeer which is the metal chain that tanks use instead of tyres.

4- "Calaa hadhihi al-fi'a alatii xarajat taqarru bi-diinihaa (?bi-dainihaa)
ilaa allah", it is interesting how Yahoo superimpose a reading over this
sentence through a clearly mediated translation. The last part is confusing
because 'taqarru' should have been 'tafirru', i.e. flees with its religion
to God from temptations and pressures just like the young people of the cave
in the Quran. The group that Bin Laden talks about think that if they stay
in their "corrupt" "unislamic" societies they will be swayed away from their
beliefs by the temptations of life or the conniving and coercion of their
governments.

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5)
Date:  15 Oct 2001
From: ahmed abboud <ahmedabboud at hotmail.com>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

Good Day Robert R, Ratcliffe!
You know very well that when it comes to the translation of religious
quotations one has to consult a good tafsiir-book (al-jalaalayn ,for
example).Then once the meaning is clear there'll be no problem in
translating the texts,because we're talking about a high-styled
language,especially when it comes to arabic.Besides,personal opinions
in this respect can be very misleading.Good luck.
Best regards,
Ahmed
Sweden
Zenitgatan 8,
415 21 Gothenburg

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:36:03 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Classical Arabic Computer Corpus to be available
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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Abdel-Hamid Elewa <Abdel-Hamid.Elewa at student.umist.ac.uk>
Subject: Classical Arabic Computer Corpus to be available

I am happy to announce that a Classical Arabic Corpus will be
available soon. This 10m. word corpus includes a variety of genres:
theology, philosophy, linguistics, science, fiction, biography,
proverbs, poetry in addition to Hadith and Qur'an. Its lifespan covers
the first four centuries of Islam.
   yours
   AbdelHamid Elewa
Elewa
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Centre for Computational Linguistics
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Manchester
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct 16 19:34:38 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:34:38 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:U. of Washington Job
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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Terri Deyoung <tdeyoung at u.washington.edu>
Subject: U. of Washington Job

Lecturer Position in Arabic Language

The Department of Near Eastern Languages & Civilization, University of
Washington, invites applications for a three-year full-time lecturer
position in modern Arabic language, to begin in September 2002, with the
possibility of further renewals subject to professional review in
accordance with university regulations.  Ph.D. required.  Applicants must
have native or near-native competency in Modern Standard Arabic and
English. In addition, they should have similar fluency in at least one
colloquial Arabic dialect.  They should be thoroughly familiar with the
principles of proficiency-based language instruction and have at least one
year of experience in teaching in such a program. Duties will include
teaching and supervision of Beginning, Intermediate and Advanced Arabic
and working with faculty on the assessment of the program, training of
teachers, and materials development. Candidates are also expected to have
expertise in the applications of Computer Assisted Language Learning
(CALL) and/or Distance Learning technologies. Please submit a CV, cover
letter with brief description of teaching philosophy and methodology, and
three letters of recommendation, as soon as possible to Prof. Terri
DeYoung, Chair, Arabic Search Committee, NELC, Box 353120, University of
Washington, Seattle, WA 98195-3120. Teaching evaluations and other
supporting materials may be included at the applicant's discretion.
Priority will be given to applications received by December 15, 2001. The
University of Washington is building a multicultural faculty and strongly
encourages applicants from female and minority candidates.  The University
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Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:41:15 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Discussion Group on use of Islamic terms in English
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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: reposted from LINGUIST
Subject: Discussion Group on use of Islamic terms in English

[moderator's note: I thought some of you might like to see this note
about a discussion list that will include as part of the discussion
the nature and perception of Islam in the West and of Muslim terms as
used in English.]

Date:  Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:32:50 +0100
From:  "Sarah Nichols" <sarah at sarahnichols.com>
Subject:  ET Electronic - new English Today electronic discussion group

English Today: The International Review of the English Language has just
launched a new, moderated electronic discussion group. The discussion has
been kicked off by a thoughful piece from Tom McArthur on English and 'the
war on terror'.

'The explosions of the 11th September in Manhattan continue to reverberate,
and English is reverberating with them. To date, three broad language issues
appear to have emerged in response to unprecedented disruption and
destruction: first, the implications for the English of politics, religion,
economics, war, peace, technology, and terrorism itself; second, the
actions, style, and usage of the American president and government; third,
the nature and perception of Islam in the West and of Muslim ('Islamic')
terms as used in English.'

If you would like to participate in this discussion, or initiate others on
any aspect of the English language, join in at
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Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:45:13 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Gulf Pidgin Arabic Response
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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: kassem wahba <kassem_wahba at yahoo.com>
Subject: Gulf Pidgin Arabic Response

Dear Professor Miller,

Unfortunately, not much is written about pidgin
Arabic spoken either in the Gulf or in Pakistan or
Afghanistan. As for the Gulf Arabic, You can find few
hints in Hamdi Qafisheh works  (1975,1977,1979) on
generally gulf Arabic, but his focus was on United
Arab Emirates Arabic (AbuDhabi educated dialect. Here
is his works
Qafisheh, Hamdi A. 1975. A Basic Course in Gulf
Arabic. Tucson: University of Arizona Press.

Qafisheh, Hamdi A. 1977. A Short Reference Grammar of
Gulf Arabic. Tucson: University of Arizona Press.

Qafisheh, Hamdi A. 1979. Gulf Arabic: Intermediate
Level. Tucson: University of Arizona Press.

There are few Hints also in Clive holes works in 1984,
and 1990, on Gulf Arabic.
  The problem is most of these people have worked on
the Arabic spoken mainly by Arab speakers, but not on
the Arabic spoken by non-native speakers of other
nationalities such as Indians,Pakistani,
Afghani, Persians and others especially when
they communicate either with the native Arabic
speakers or within themselves.

Regards
Kassem Wahba
Johns Hopkins University
The Arabic program

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:57:07 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Understanding bin Laden response
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2) Subject: video of text
3) Subject: Understanding Bin Laden Text
4) Subject: Understanding Bin Laden Text
5) Subject: Where's the Bismallah?
6) Subject: bin or ibn, and other comments

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1)
Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Mutarjm at aol.com
Subject: mujanzar

Greetings to all / tahaiya tayyiba wa b3ad..

Re: << mujanzar >>  in the context of the cited news item = tracked combat
vehicles (not tanks) that carry soldiers ==> proper term is

              armored personnel carriers (APC)

Variant term is "infantry figthing vehicle," if the troops being transported
will stay and fire weapons from inside the APC, rather than dismount and
disperse on foot.?

APCs customarily operate with tanks for mutual protection.

Arabic media tend to use the generic term "mujanzar" (tracked objects)
instead of the more cumbersome phrase "Haamila meshaat mudarra3a."

Media refer to tanks distinctively as "dabaabaat" or "mudarra3aat" (armored
objects).

HTH. Khair, in sha' Allah.

Regards from Los Angeles,

Stephen H. Franke

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2)
Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Albrecht Hofheinz <Albrecht_Hofheinz at web.de>
Subject: video of text

It may help not only to read, but also to listen to the Arabic text
of Bin Laden's speech. The video is at

http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/streams/video/2001/10/7/1_59233_1_12.ASF

Regards, Albrecht Hofheinz

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3)
Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Jackie Murgida <jmurg at star.net>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

I've been listening to and reading about Islam and "Allah" in the U.S. media
and getting more and more disappointed at the way a lot of translators (and
people speaking or writing about Islam in English) miss the point that
Muslims worship God. Not translating "allaah" as "God" is very misleading,
making it unclear to the average listener/reader that this is the same God
as the one in the Old and New Testaments of the Bible.

Friends ask me questions about Arabic and Islam and are amazed [and even
argumentative] when I tell them this, as well as that the Koran has Jesus,
born of a virgin, and so on.

I was very pleased to see Waleed's point about this in the message below.
I've always wondered why Muslims, themselves, when talking about their own
religion often say "Allah," as well. It certainly does increase the
foreigness, and exoticness of Islam, and maybe emphasizes the differences
and specialness of the religion, to some believers.

The danger in this type of translation (not limited to this one word, but
exemplified by it), is to distance Us from Them, and to make it easier to
demonize Them, label them as Evildoers, bomb them, and so on. It also makes
it more difficult to make the crucial distinction between the criminal
element that exists in every society and the vast majority of people
belonging to such an "alien" religion.

I urge everyone who works with the Arabic language to be on the alert for
such gratuitous "foreignization" in translation, and to have students and
novice translators follow the "perfectly good word" rule: if English has an
existing, perfectly good word for a concept, use it. Don't use the Arabic
word for it in transliteration.

Thank you, Waleed, for an excellent posting on this subject.
Best regards,
Jackie

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4)
Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: andyf <andyf at umich.edu>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

Hello all good people,
there are two problematic passages:
   In the first problematic passage there is the word mujanzaraat.  I would
like to suggest that it means bulldozer in this context.  Because tanks and
bulldozers are the two items that Isrealis are sending into Palestinian
farming villages, farms and refugees camps.  My informants here in Yemen
tell me that mujanzaraat can mean any all-terrain vehicle with metal tractor
treads as opposed to the regular kind of vehicle with synthetic rubber
tires.

As for the second problematic passage:"Calaa hadhihi al-fi'a alatii xarajat
taqarru bi-diinihaa (?bi-dainihaa) ilaa allah", the Arabic texts that I was
able to find on hte web as per Dilworth's forwarded links, do not contain
the very problematic taqiiru.
I downloaded two copies of the texts in Arabic.  They both match each other
word for word here:
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
  ????????????????????????????????????????????????????

The offending word "taqirr" or "tafirru" is interestingly enough not there.
I will supply my own transliteration:
waqad xarajuu . . birijaalihim waxaylihim, waqad ?allabuu 9alaynaa HattaY
d-duwalu llatii tantasibu ?ilaY l-?islaami 9alaY haadhihi l-fi?ati llatii
xarajat bidiinihaa ?ilaY llaahi subHaanihi wa ta9aalaY, ya?baY ?an tu9Tiya
d-daniiyata fii diinihaa, xarajuu yuriiduuna ?an yuHaaribuu l-?islaama.

My close translation
     And they (meaning George Bush et. al.) have brought out their men and
their horse(s), and have gathered against us even those nations that
affiliate themselves with Islam, against this group (meaning Bin Laden and
co.) which has brought out its religion to God (for protection), most high
and praiseworthy, (and which is) refusing to give baseness in its religiion.
They have gone out wanting to paractice war with Islam.

My slightly more idomatically correct for modern English translation.
     They have assembled all of their forces, even including those nations
affiliated with Islam, against us, against this group who have sought the
protection of God, most high and praiseworthy,  for their religion, refusing
to debase their religion.
They have gone out seeking to make war upon Islam.

If we insert "tafirru" into the appropriate palce, ie
     haadhihi l-fi?ati llatiy xarajat bidiinihaa
     haadhihi l-fi?ati llatiy xarajat tafirru bidiinihaa
I don't see how it shifts the meaning at all.

cheers,
Andrew Freeman

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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Frantz <erkidego at yahoo.com>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

Why this text did not start with the words of the Bismallah?

Frantz

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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: nagwa hedayet <nhedayet at yahoo.com>
Subject: Understanding Bin Laden text

Hi Dil,

Do we pronounce his name Osama ibn Laden?despite the fact that we do
not write the 'alif between two names?  We say for example 'Abdallaah
ibn ' Umar but of course we write the word ibn without the
'alif..........I am not sure; what do you think?

Here is ?al-djomhouriyya news?paper
site:?<http://www.eltahrir.net>http://www.eltahrir.net

  I think I tend to agree with the interpretation of Ms. Ola Moshref
that "modjanzaraat" means war vehicles and equipments that have heavy
iron chain like wheels and that " ta'eethu fasaadan" as an expression
usually means to devastate, spoil?fiercely?or destroy  blindly or
without discrimination. "yafirru ila?allaah" or "yafirru bedeenihi"
are used by midieval Muslim scholars when one seeks refuge in God
leaving worldly pleasures ( for fear of the last day), or tries to
rescue?one's faith and life ( fearing a tyrant's rule or an
aggression ) by leaving one's country.?As far as I remember the
modern "djihaad" group used the same expression in their doctrine.

Nagwa Hedayet
Hedayet Institute for Arabic Studies
72, Rd.# 10
Maadi, Cairo, Egypt

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Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:00:21 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:dikka query
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Date:  16 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu>
Subject: dikka query

A colleague is teaching a course that covers Islamic architecture,
and he is uncertain about the use of the piece of furniture called
the 'dikka' which can be found in numerous medieval Cairo mosques,
including the Sultan Hassan mosque.  It is a kind of raised platform
that is out in the open (unlike the minbar, for example, which is up
near the mihrab near the wall).  Does anyone know either the
etymology of this word, or the function of the item of furniture?
Thanks,
Dil

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:47:47 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Phoenix response
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Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: Phoenix response

  FYI:  In his Qur'aan Commentary on Q2.7 [/xatama/],
al-Zamaxshari (died 1155 C.E.)(and al-BaiDaawi copies) notes that
if a person is absent for a long time, one says of him:

/?Taarat  bi-hi  l-9anqaa'u/ = "the Phoenix has flown off
with him", metaphorically.

                                           Mike Schub

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:48:44 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:Gratuitous 'foreignization'
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Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Vito Evola <vito.evola at libero.it>
Subject: Gratuitous 'foreignization'

Jackie-

you're email on the English translation of Allah made me think. Could
it be that the reason why the term for "God" has had resistance in
modern translation (esp. of Muslims) because of the sacrality of the
Quranic language?

Interested,
Vito Evola

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:54:21 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:'dikka' responses
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Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Yaser Al-Onaizan <yaser at isi.edu>
Subject:  'dikka' response

Greetings,

I do not know the etymology of the word, but the word is commonly used (at
least in Saudi) in two contexts. A sport's team substitutes bench is called
"dikat al-iHtyaaT" which obviously took its name from the bench that the
players set on. It is also used to refer to an outdoor setting place that is
typically higher than the level of the ground. I'm not sure if and how this
is related to the English word Deck.

Regards,
Yaser
USC/ISI

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Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Waheed Samy <wasamy at umich.edu>
Subject: 'dikka' response

From a modern Egyptian perspective, as opposed to an
Islamic architecture one, a dikka is a simple bench.
The sort found by the entrance to a house, for example.

Waheed

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3)
Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: mughazy <mughazy at students.uiuc.edu>
Subject:  'dikka' response

Hi Dil
Dikka is exactly what you described. It is some sort of a raised platform or
?couch? (a big kanaba 3arabi) made of wood and usually it has no cushions. It
is long enough for at least four people to sit comfortably, and wide enough to
sit cross legged (merabba3). You can see it anywhere in rural Egypt whether in
Upper Egypt or the countryside. Sometimes, it is replaced by a bench-like
brick or mud structure attached to the front of the house. The function of
that piece of furniture is for male visitors to use if they are not welcome to
the house. That might be because they arrived unexpectedly, the patriarch is
not at home, or the house is not ready for receiving guests. Also, it is used
as the place where ?the guys hang out? without causing discomfort or
imposition on the female members of the household. It also has a social
function in that it signals the social status of the household; the bigger and
nicer it is, the higher status attributed to the family especially that it
represents hospitality.

Unlike the dikka you see in front of houses, the one in mosques is very
decorative. It has a high back and legs, and it is upholstered usually with
red velvet and the wood is painted with some golden color. It functions as a
seat for the moqre` or whoever reads the Qur`an (sometimes two individuals who
alternate) or for a sheikh while giving a religious lesson. That explains why
it is high; students or the mureedeen can see the imam, and he can see them
when they ask questions.

As for the etymology, I do not know. However, I would guess that it is derived
from the verb (ittaka`) meaning to lean or sit comfortably, and the initial
stop was devoiced into /t/.
Hope that helps.
Thanks

Mustafa A. Mughazy
Graduate student
Depatment of Linguistics
University of Illinois
Urbana Champaign

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4)
Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Humphrey Davies <hdavies at aucegypt.edu>
Subject:  'dikka' response

A description of the "dikka" in the mosque and of its function for the
Friday prayer may be found in Lane's "Manners and Customs of the Modern
Egyptians" (pp.81 and 85 in the 1860 edition; Lane transliterates "dikkeh").
In the same Lane also provides descriptions of the use of the dikka in
domestic and other contexts.  In his Lexicon (under "dakka", the literary
form), Lane does not give an etymology , but notes that Arab lexicographers
relate the word to "dukkaan", which some regard as Persian in origin (which
would fit with its being a one-off, with no relation to other items under
the root d-k-n).

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5)
Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: dwilmsen <dwilmsen at aucegypt.edu>
Subject:  'dikka' response

Both Wehr and Hinds/Badawi call identify the word as "bench", from the verb
"to tamp down" or "to level off".  It looks like it is a perfectly good native
Arabic word.

As far as I know, the purpose of the piece of furniture was for someone sit
(or stand in prayer) to relay the utterances of the Imam back to the faithful
as they prayed.  This would have been before the age of the microphone!  I
have seen it used for just such a purpose in more modern mosques, even those
equipped with microphones.

David

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6)
Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: MaryAnn Walter <walterma at MIT.EDU>
Subject:  'dikka' response

In Hadramaut and some other areas of Yemen, where houses are built from
mud brick, the 'dikka' or 'dukka' is a raised area around the base of
the house, also made from mud.  It can be from a few inches to three feet
high -- the function is to protect the foundation of the house from
erosion by flash floods.

I believe Salma al-Damluji's books on mud brick architecture in Yemen
might have more information, and illustrative photographs.

MaryAnn Walter
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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7)
Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Alfordwelch at aol.com
Subject:  'dikka' response

I'm sure others are better qualified to provide a definitive answer
to this question, but I can shed a little light on the function of
the dikka. The term comes from the verb dakka, and means a "bench" or
a "level platform". This structure, which is most frequently seem in
Turkish mosques, is also called a dakka. The origin of the structure
I don't know, but I do know at least a couple uses it has.

I was told by an art history specialist in Cairo that its purpose was
originally to keep the congregation together when performing the
Friday prayers, in the large, usually domed mosques, where many, if
not most, of the worshippers could not see or hear the imam. An
assistant would perform the Salat while standing and sitting on the
dikka, a raised platform in the center (or often to the right of
center, near a column) of the worship area. From the beginning, I
found this explanation curious.

I know that in some mosques the dikka is used by professional Qur'an
reciters, sometimes during the Friday services, but more prominently
during special services, such as those held during the evenings of
Ramadan, when one-thirtieth of the Qur'an was recited each night of
the month.

One curious thing about the dikka is that, unlike the minbar (which
normally has just enough space for the khateeb, it is often large
enough for several "performers". I have heard that in some mosques
two or more Qur'an reciters will sit together on the dikka to recite
on special occasions.

My comments, as you can tell, are more in the nature of a further
inquiry into the origins and uses of the dikka, rather than an
authoritative answer to the questioner. Surely my comments will
elicit a number of responses from people who have first-hand
experience or specialist knowledge, neither of which, I must admit, I
have.

Alford T Welch
Michigan State University

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7)
Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Dil Parkinson <dil at byu.edu>
Subject:  'dikka' response

Thanks for all the responses!  My colleague was thrilled to get so
much information, and I personaly learned a lot.  Thanks again.
Dil

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 18 15:55:27 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:55:27 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Gulf Pidgins response
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Date:  18 Oct 2001
From: Louis Boumans  <L.Boumans at let.kun.nl>
Subject: Gulf Pidgins response

This reference contains all the key words! Maybe you found it already.

Smart, J. R. (1990). "Pidginization in Gulf Arabic: a first report."
Anthropological Linguistics 32.1-2: 83-119.

Regards, Louis Boumans

Louis Boumans
Katholieke Universiteit Nijmegen, ATD
Postbus 9103, 6500 HD Nijmegen
Tel. +31-24-361 13 79, fax +31-24-361 21 77
L.Boumans at let.kun.nl

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:43:54 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Lexicography Conference
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Date:  19 Oct 2001
From: reposted from LINGUIST
Subject: Lexicography Conference

[moderator's note: I thought that some of you would be glad to know
that there existed an Association de la Lexicologie Arabe en Tunisie)

Date:  Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:17:19 +0200
From:  Ibrahim Ben Mrad <Ibrahim.Benammar at ceres.rnrt.tn>
Subject:  Lexical Semantics

        The (Association de la Lexicologie Arabe en Tunisie-ALAT)will
organize its Vth International Colloqium of Lexicology (ICL),in
Tunis,from May 3 till 6,2002,on Lexical Semantics.The Scientific
Committee of ALAT is pleased to invite lexicologists and semanticists to
participate in this Vth ICL.
           Topics:The topics of the Colloquium are:
           1-The theory of meaning in classical and modern linguistics:
a-the meaning in lexicon; b-the meaning of linguistic units;
c-intensional meaning vs extensional meaning
            2-Semantic relations: a-synonymy; b-polysemy;
c-antonymy;d-hyponymy.
            3-The theory of lexical field :a-semasiological field;
b-onomasiological field; c-semantic field and lexicon organisation.
            4-Lexical semantics and cognitive scinces: a-conceptual
semantics; b-reference theory; c-semantic categorization; d-conceptual
categorization.
            5-Semantic structure in dictionary: a-semantics and
linguistic definition; b-semantics and lexicographical definition;
c-semantics and logical definition.
            6-Lexical  semantics and applied linguistics: a-sematics and
translation: b-semantics and language processing.
            7-Lexical semantics and automatic dictionary processing:
a-semantics and word processing; b-semantics and corpus processing.
             Papers presentation:
             1- The papers will be dealt with in plenary sessions (25 mn
for exposition).
             2-Languages : Presentations may be in Arabic,English or
French.
             Participation:
             1-Papers must be original and umpublished.
             2-The full texts should not exceed 25 A4 pages,including
figures and references.
             3-Authors should submit either by email to the President of
ALAT,Mr.Ibrahim Benmrad: <Ibrahim.Benammar at ceres.rnrt.tn>,or preferly by
fax to (2161885094),or by post to: Association de la Lexicologie Arabe
en Tunisie,77 bis,Avenue Bellevue,El-ouardia,1009-Tunis,Tunisia ,
abstracts typed or printed on one side of the paper only.Abstracts
should not exceed tow A4 pages,written in the language in which the
paper will be presented and in one of the tow other languages of the
Colloquium.
               4-Submission of application form and abstract:before
November30,2001.
               5-Notification of acceptance:before December 31,2001.
               6-Final typed text:before March 30,2002.
               7-The proceedings of the Vth ICL will be published in the
Vol. 16-17 of the Journal of ALAT: Revue de la Lexicologie.
               Colloquium Application Form:
              1-Full name:
              2-Date and place of birth:
              3-Nationality:
              4-Home adress:
              5-Home phone and fax:
              6-email:
              7-profession:
              8-Academic title:
              9-Business adress:
             10-Proposed title of paper:
             11-Language used in the presentation:
      With the best thanks of the Committees of ALAT.


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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:45:30 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Phoenix
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Date:  19 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: Phoenix

  "...symbols of regeneration such as the Phoenix (al-9Anqaa')
and Christ, became newly powerful symbols of both indigenous cultural
values and modernity in [modern Arabic] poetic expression."--
              p. 214 mid.  Roger Allen.  *The Arabic Literary
Heritage*  Cambridge  1998.

      Best wishes,
                                   Mike Schub

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:48:32 -0600
Subject: Arabic-l:TRANS:gratuitous foreignization
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Date:  19 Oct 2001
From: Jackie Murgida <jmurg at star.net>
Subject: gratuitous foreignization

<<you're email on the English translation of Allah made me think. Could
it be that the reason why the term for "God" has had resistance in
modern translation (esp. of Muslims) because of the sacrality of the
Quranic language?>>

Yes, Vito, I think that's part of it. The belief that the Arabic Koran is
sacred and is untranslatable probably adds to the other reasons to leave
some of the concepts in romanized Arabic, rather than to translate them. I
understand these reasons, such as the fact that the concept of the deity and
the relationship that human beings have to the deity  are different in
Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. However, we normally don't use the Hebrew
words for the deity of Judaism when we discuss Judaism in English, so I
strongly believe we should do the same thing for Islam. Otherwise we
definitely imply stongly that this deity is very foreign and exotic (and
maybe even pagan, to unaware Christians), and we obscure the fact that Islam
is monotheistic, Abrahamic, has prophets and stories in common with
Christianity and Judaisum, and so on.

Of course, I'm not a Muslim, nor am I even a scholar of Classical Arabic.
I'm basing my opinion on what I consider to be sound translation practice of
MSA into English.
~ Jackie

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Date:  19 Oct 2001
From: zouhair maalej <zmaalej at gnet.tn>
Subject: gratuitous foreignization

Dear List memebers,
I have been lurking in the background. The issue of translating Allah into
God is what Nida* classifies as a mistake of "religious culture." The reason
for refraining from translating Allah into God is not the sacredness of
Quranic language as Vito Evola mentioned (e.g. ?ar-rasul is simply
translated as the prophet in all the translation I know of), but has to do
with deep religious reasons: (i) the fact that in Islam Allah is not part of
the Trinity as in Christianity, and (ii) the fact that Allah is not the
father of Jesus Christ. In cognitive linguistic terms, the Idealized
Cognitive Model for Allah in Islam and for God in Christianity simply do not
fully overlap as the concepts show different packaging of meaning in the two
cultures.

*Nida, Eugene (1964). "Linguistics and Ethnology in Translation-Problems."
In D. Hymes (ed.), Language in Culture and Society: A Reader in Linguistics
and Anthropology. New York: Harper & Row, pp. 90-97.

I hope this will help.
Best

**********************
Dr Zouhair Maalej,
Department of English, Chair,
Faculty of Letters,
University of Manouba,
Tunis-Manouba, 2010, Tunis, Tunisia.

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3)
Date:  19 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: gratuitous foreignization

But why not in Italian??:  "Nel nome di Dio, clemente
misericorioso!"...etc.

      Best wishes,
                                              Mike Schub

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:37:53 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:translate/transliterate Allah
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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: jolandaguardi <jolandaguardi at iol.it>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

dear lista members,
as Mike Scrube notet in Italy we prefer to translate Allah with God.
Generally scholars here thinks that, as Allah means God, not
translate it would mean that God and Allah were different Gods. And
as God is one, so it's better to write the term?in italian. There
also some muslims' groups in Italy that prefer to maintain the term
in arabic just for the same reason.
Best regards,
Jolanda Guardi

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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Jackie Murgida <jmurg at star.net>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

>I have been lurking in the background.
Zouhair, I'm glad this discussion drew you out into the foreground!

>The issue of translating Allah into God is what Nida* classifies as a
mistake of "religious culture."

Thanks for making this point and mentioning the Nida reference. It
highlights the difficulty of translating concepts that don't fully overlap,
and our discussion has highlighted the pitfalls involved when there isn't a
nice, one-to-one correspondence between the two languages.

Best regards,
Jackie

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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: zeinab Ibrahim <zeinabib at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

Allah is one of the proper names of God in Islam. /'ilah/ or /rabb/ stands for
God in general, but Allah  is one of his proper names.  In addition, there is
in the Qur'aan,/wa lilah 'al'asmaa' 'alHusna/.  The usage of Allah is
referring particularly to the Islamic faith but the other two terms are used
as well in the Qur'aan to refers mainly to other Gods,the statues, which were
worshipped in the Peninsula before Islam.
Zeinab Ibrahim

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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: "Robert R. Ratcliffe" <ratcliffe at tufs.ac.jp>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

>Dear List memebers,
>I have been lurking in the background. The issue of translating
>Allah into God is what Nida* classifies as a mistake of "religious
>culture." The reason for refraining from translating Allah into God
>is not the sacredness of Quranic language as Vito Evola mentioned
>(e.g. ?ar-rasul is simply translated as the prophet in all the
>translation I know of), but has to do with deep religious reasons:
>(i) the fact that in Islam Allah is not part of the Trinity as in
>Christianity, and (ii) the fact that Allah is not the father of
>Jesus Christ. In cognitive linguistic terms, the Idealized Cognitive
>Model for Allah in Islam and for God in Christianity simply do not
>fully overlap as the concepts show different packaging of meaning in
>the two cultures.

An interesting point of view. But I can't really agree. First, words
referring to abstract concepts virtually never FULLY overlap between
different languages. Second, I'm not convinced that the common
English word "God" is necessarily heard and interpreted as a
technical term of Christian theology. The word has Germanic roots and
predates the advent of Christianity in England, and we use it to
refer to related concepts in other religions (the gods of Greek myth,
e.g.). Similarly with "Allah", the word comes from def. art. al- plus
Common Semitic etymon ilah, which predates the appearance of Islam.
Arabic speaking Christians use "Allah" in the translations of the
Bible, etc., and non-Arabic speaking Muslims often use terms derived
from their own languages (Persian Xoda, Indonesian Tuhan, etc.)
rather than "Allah" to express this concept. Although most Arabic
speakers are Muslim and most English speakers are Christian, the
thought-world of a given speech community (the range of concepts that
can be expressed by a given language) is not necessarily restricted
to the conceptual framework of the predominant religion in the
community. For most English speakers, I don't believe the word "God"
necessarily implies Jesus and the Trinity unless it is used in a
specifically Christian context where such a presupposition is
expected.

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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From:  dparvaz at unm.edu
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

Dear all,

While I certainly understand the reasons offered for wanting to use
the word "God" as a more user-friendly description of the deity
worshiped by Muslims, I also see Zouhair's rationale for maintaining
the use of "Allah" -- in using the English word, we stand in danger
of glossing over some deep theological differences.

One possible response to Zouhair's invocation of Idealized Cognitive
Models is that ICMs (as G. Lakoff will tell anyone who can't
physically run away) are not for classical categories. There is a not
inconsiderable overlap between the Christian, Muslim, and Jewish
conceptions of God, and this intersection might serve as the set of
"core" (or "universal") attributes. So the creation of the earth,
covenant with Abraham, deliverance of Moses, and so on would often be
attributed to the same agent. Once you start talking about Jesus and
Mohammed, creedal councils, and so forth, you introduce more
peripheral (or "less universal") attributes. To follow the previously
proposed logic, Muslims should always refer to Jesus as "Isa" because
the Jesus of (most of) Christianity would be in violation of the
shahada and the dictum in surat ul-ikhlaS. In Langacker's terms, it
may be a question of profiling and construal.

Another thing to consider (and perhaps more on the other hand) is
more of the social side of things: is the word "Allah" in insider
term like tafseer, sahih, zakat, etc. or an "outsider" term like
"Koran?" It may be that the term is not only in wide currency but
pretty much understood.

Cheers, from the sunny southwest,

Dan.

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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Joan Smith/Kocamahhul <j.smith at ling.canterbury.ac.nz>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

If 'Allah' is only transliterated when referring to Islam, then it hides
the fact that Arabic-speaking Christians also use the name Allah for God
(I don't know about Arabic-speaking Jews, but I'm guessing they may well
use it too). This perpetuates the impression that some conservative
Christians (that I've met) have that Muslims worship a different god. I
think it contributes to the perceived 'otherness' of both Muslims and
Arabs (of all religions).

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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Louis Boumans <louis.boumans at freeler.nl>
Subject: translate/transliterate Allah

Dear list members,

Is it possible to summarise the discussion about the rendering of
Arabic "Allah" in European languages as follows:

- Muslims prefer the word Allah in references to the islamic concept
of the deity
- non-Muslims are divided over "Allah" and "God", depending on their
ideological persuasions.

Or is there also an important Muslim section who would prefer a
translation like "God" in English?

It seems obvious that Muslims view Islam as something really unique,
so for them Allah is not like any other conception of supranatural
power. Atheists and sceptics, on the other hand, are more inclined to
perceive and stress the similarities between religious movements.

Yours, Louis Boumans

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:39:30 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LIT:Yahya Haqqi query
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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Muhammad S Eissa <eissa at umich.edu>
Subject: Yahya Haqqi query

Could someone get me a reference to the actual day/date that Yahya
Haqqi, the Egyptian writer, departed from this mortal world?  Thanks
in advance.

salaam

Muhammad S. Eissa, Ph. D.
Department of Near Eastern Studies,
University of Michigan,
2097 Frieze Building,
Ann Arbor, MI 48109

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:40:46 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:iCab query
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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Dan Parvaz <dparvaz at unm.edu>
Subject: iCab query

I noticed on Arabic-L that some are using iCab to view Arabic
webpages on a Mac. I'm running OS X; since Apple hasn't delivered any
bi-di capability in X (all their Unicode promises notwithstanding),
I'm use iCab in Classic mode for my Arabic needs. However, it seems
to freak out whenever it encounters certain kinds of punctuation,
since iCab doesn't appear to know whether a period is Arabic or
English, for example. Have you found any fixes for that?

Thanks in advance.
Cheers,

Dan.
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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Tue Oct 23 16:41:59 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:41:59 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:U of Virginian/Yarmouk Summer Arabic Program
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Date:  23 Oct 2001
From: Mohammed Sawaie <ms at virginia.edu>
Subject: U of Virginian/Yarmouk Summer Arabic Program

The University of Virginia ? Yarmouk University Summer Arabic Program, 2002

v June 12 ? August 11
v Location: Yarmouk University is in Irbid, Jordan.
v Description: An intensive 8-week program in Modern Standard Arabic,
designed for undergraduate and graduate students currently pursuing a
university degree.  Three levels of instruction:
? Lower Intermediate (prerequisite: 1 year of college-level Arabic or
the equivalent)
? Upper Intermediate (prerequisite: 2 years of college-level Arabic
or the equivalent)
? Advanced (prerequisite: 3 years of college-level Arabic or the equivalent)
v Cost: $ 3,365 (including international airfare, tuition, housing,
and 2 educational trips)

v NEW LEVEL: Islamics Arabic

? Study of the language of Islamic literature in classical and modern texts
? Prerequisite: 4 years of college-level Arabic or academic equivalent
? Cost: $ 3,565 (including international airfare, tuition, housing,
and 2 educational trips)

For information, contact the University of Virginia-Yarmouk
University Summer Arabic Program:

	University of Virginia ? Yarmouk University
	Summer Arabic Program
	PO BOX 400781
	B027 Cabell Hall
	Charlottesville, VA22904-4781

Phone: (434) 982-2304
Fax (434) 924-6977
Email: UVAYARMK at virginia.edu
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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:40:52 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:intifada translate or transliterate?
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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Waleed Al-Amri <waleed at talk21.com>
Subject: intifada translate or transliterate?

Since the notion of foriegnization has been brought to the attention of the
respected members of the list, what about Intifada?

Why has the Arabic name for the Palestinian uprising been transliterated in
English?

I am well aware that there is not a perfect match to it in English but I
believe that any of the many English synonyms of uprising could have done
the job just as perfectly. Anyway linguists since the linguistic relativity
of Sapir and Whorf, although to a much lesser degree believed that a perfect
match between concepts in languages is well and truly a chimera (a mythical
creature) for the simple reason that languages are used to fulfil social
functions which could be different among different cultural realities. Just
think about the obvious Arabic translation of "spy", i.e. "Jasoos" and the
connotative differences between the two: the former is romanticised in the
English speaking cultures (thanks to Ian Fleming and 007), and the latter is
over laden with negative overtones. So if we want to justify such
transliterations as Intifada on the grounds of incongruity of meaning, we
might as well transliterate the whole Arabic language into English.

I am also aware that this is not an isolated case in English as there is the
very famous glasnost and perestroika.


One explanation could be that such a social semiotic adoption of an element
that does not exist in the repertoire is to avoid the connotative meanings
associated with the indigenous elements that could have done the job whether
these connotations are positive or negative. 'Uprising' is over laden with
meaning: it is not just the dictionary meaning but how people tend to use
this word (or the idea of semantic prosody in corpus linguistics). Is it
then a matter of borrowing an element form another language, i.e. importing
the frame (or container)  and filling it up with the meanings that we deem
appropriate?!

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 16:38:15 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:38:15 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Arabic semantic richness query
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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: David Wacks <davidwacks at hotmail.com>
Subject: Arabic semantic richness query

Dear Arabic-L-iyyiin,

I'm looking for a source on the semantic richness of Arabic, especially in
comparison to Spanish. What has been written on Arabic's characteristic
semantic depth and flexibility? Thanks - please respond to my email.

David Wacks (wacks at uclink4.berkeley.edu)
Dept. Spanish & Portuguese
UC Berkeley

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 16:37:34 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:37:34 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:LIT:Yahya Haqqi response
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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Wim Raven <Raven at em.uni-frankfurt.de>
Subject: Yahya Haqqi response

According to Robert B. Campbell, S.J., Contemporary Arabic Writers.
Biographies and Autobiographies, Beirut 1966, Vol. 1, p. 497, Yahya Haqqi
died the 12th of September 1992.

Best Wishes,
Wim Raven, University of Frankfurt

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2)
Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: Yahya Haqqi response

/'Allaahu  'a9lamu/  = "only God (Dio) knows:"  "...YaHyaa
Haqqii (d. 1933?) [sic]..."  P. 298 top.  Roger Allen.
*The Arabic Literary Heritage*  Cambridge  1998.
      Best wishes,
                                       Mike Schub

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 16:44:20 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:44:20 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:allaah discussion
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2) Subject: allaah discussion
3) Subject: allaah discussion
4) Subject: allaah discussion
5) Subject: allaah discussion

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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Yaser Al-Onaizan <yaser at ISI.EDU>
Subject: allaah discussion

Greetings all,

One thing we should be aware of that the Arabic word "allah" predates islam. In
fact the name of  prophet Mohammed's father is Abdullah. So,  I believe it is
wrong to say that the word "Allah" specifically refers to the god in Islamic
theology.  The word was used by Arabs well before islam.
Additionally, allah is one of the islamic names of god, there are more than 90
others that are used in the Koran. For example, al-rahim (the
merciful). All the
others are almost always translated into English and not transliterated.

This issue is related to the use of alternative spellings for other
islam-related
terms (e.g., Makkah instead of Mecca,  Quraan instead of Koran, etc.).

Regards,
Yaser Al-Onaizan
USC/ISI

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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: David Chambers <david.chambers at usa.net>
Subject: allaah discussion

Dear Colleagues,

IMHO, the burden, alas, falls on the translator for the use of "Allah" or
"God."

If a work in translation were theologoical, say about the Religions of
"the Book" (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), I might avoid "God"
altogether and use "Allah" to contrast with "Yahweh" for Judaism and
"Jehovah" for Christianity, thus equally distancing all three
terms/concepts/religions for readers, so no reader would be biased.
Otherwise, if I fell into the common trap of referring to the Christians'
God as "God," then I would be prejudicing my readers against the rather
foreign sounding terms of "Yahweh" and "Allah."  Of course, one would
have to consider which was the main language of Christianity (Latin,
Greek, modern European), etc., when determining the best term in English
for "God" -- I suggested Jehovah but even that has strong sectarian
connotations...

On the other hand, if the text were persuasive and "reaching out" to
embrace readers, I would probably use "God" wherever possible, perhaps at
points differentiating with terms such as "God in Islam" or "Allah" vs.
"God in Christianity" or "Jehovah" or "God in Judaism" or "Yahweh," as
very likely the author's intention would be to show commonality rather
than contrast.

The point is to understand the terms in each language and then when
translating to find the best meaning according to the author and not
ourselves, right?

No matter how it is translated or transliterated, I would always note
such issues to the reader beforehand and probably refer them to various
discussions about it.

BTW, "God" seems to be the very closest one can translate "Allah" into
English, and I must beg to modify Dr. Zeinab Ibrahim's statement:  god
with a capital "G" is the nearest thing in English to "ilah" with the
definite "Al-" prefix, while small "g" for god or gods has its Arabic
equivalents, right?  My CASA days are on trial here!        :)

Best to all - David

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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Rahel Halabe <rahel at telus.net>
Subject: allaah discussion

As assumed by (6) Joan Smith/Kocamahhul <j.smith at ling.canterbury.ac.nz>
Arabic speaking Jews do refer to God as Alla.

Rahel

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4)
Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: "Schub, Michael" <michael.schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject: allaah discussion

Dear Rob't,

      /rasuul/  "means" "prophet; emissary."
      The foreign form /nabiiy/ was borrowed to indicate "prophet."
      The originally foreign terms /zakaat/ and /Salaat/ even retain
their foreign spellings  [with /waaw/].
      These and expressions such as  /al-Hayy  al-qayyuum/,
/al-muhaymin/,  /9illiyyuun\iin/, etc. were all recognized by
Tabari, SuyuuTi, and other Islamic scholars to be of foreign
origin.  See Arthur Jeffery.  *The Foreign Vocabulary of the
Koran*  Baruda  1938.

      Best wishes,
                               Mike Schub

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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Iman Soliman <halleluiah3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: allaah discussion

Hello
As an Egyptian Christian and a native speaker of the
language, the term allah always means God.  The Arabic
translation of the Bible speaks of allah meaning God
definitely not the Islamic word meaning allah.  I
think the tendency towards using Allah as a proper
noun meaning the God of islam to emphsis that we do
not all worship the same God has emerged in the late
seventies and eighties with the strength of Islamic
extrimists.
Well, I may not be an expert on translation but this
is simply what the word means to me.
Thank you
Iman

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From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:35:45 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:iCAB responses
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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: Michael Fishbein <fishbein at humnet.ucla.edu>
Subject: iCAB response

I have found iCab to be a very useful tool for viewing Arabic web
pages on the Mac. However, the program does have a problem with line
breaks. Parts of one line sometimes appear on the next line down. As
you suggest, this may have to do with the program's not
distinguishing between Roman and Arabic spaces, commas, and periods.

The only work-around that I have been able to come up with is to copy
the offending text to the clipboard, paste it into a Nisus document,
and convert the text to an Arabic font (Geeza, for example).( You
need to depress the shift key while selecting the new font in order
to do this.) For some reason, this operation fixes the incorrect line
breaks. If anyone out there knows why it does so, I'd be curious to
know.

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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: YemenLC at aol.com
Subject: iCAB response

I think there is a bug in iCab for OS X 2.5.3. Try to download 2.6.
I am using iCab with OS 9.1 and I don't have any problem.
Try also to use the Language Register program to register iCab for Arabic.
When You register it, it forces it to read the Arabic pages correctly.
I hope apple will fulfill its commitment by providing support for Arabic for
OS X.
We may eventually have to move to M$ Windows.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 16:39:11 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:39:11 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:'mediation' query
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Date:  25 Oct 2001
From: jgreenman at t-online.de (Joe Greenman)
Subject: mediation' query

Hi from Berlin,

My 1001 and Arabic-English, English-Arabic, Arabic-German, and German-Arabic
dictionaries all list "waSaaTah" as the translation of "mediation".

Because of their ages and the political / journalistic emphasis of the corpuses
upon which most of the dictionaries are based, though, I'm wondering if that's
the same word that is used in Arab-American communities to describe what's also
known as "alternative dispute resolution". I'm especially interested in
"mediation" in the context of common American (and British) contemporary
concepts such as "family mediation", "community mediation", "neighborhood
mediation", and "divorce mediation" (as opposed to "political" or "labor").

For fear of being repetitive, I'm _not_ looking for a theoretical or
dictionary-based word; I'd like to know what "real people" are actually using.
(Of course, I realize it might be "waSaaTah", but that's part of the question).

Thanks very much.

Best regards,
Joe

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Thu Oct 25 17:28:00 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:28:00 -0600
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Intensive program for natives query
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Date:  52 Oct 2001
From: leila safi <leilasafi at excite.com>
Subject: Intensive program for natives query

Hello,
Does anyone know of an intensive Arabic program designed for native speakers
to brush up on their language skills located in the Middle East or North
Africa(preferably Tunisia)or in the US? I know there is the possibility of
auditing language and lit classes at a university, but am curious to know
whether there are specialized intensive programs.
Thanks
Leila

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 18:57:08 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:57:08 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:'mediation'
Message-ID: <MON.29.OCT.2001.115708.0700.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: 'mediation'
2) Subject: 'mediation'

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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Waheed Samy <wasamy at umich.edu>
Subject: 'mediation'

The word for mediation is: waCaaTa

Waheed

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2)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From:  Iman Soliman <halleluiah3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: 'mediation'

In Egypt, we would use also ( shafa3ah)and (wesatah)
between friends and families and with religious
connotations as well
Iman

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 19:08:33 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:08:33 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:Unix hack for Arabic Web Pages
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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: dparvaz at unm.edu
Subject: Unix hack for Arabic Web Pages

Sometimes all you have is a UNIX terminal window. Here's a quick hack
that will grab a web page and display it in a transliteration system
based on Arabic morse code. In this transcripion the alphabet looks
like this:

ABTCJHODZR;S:XVUY"GFQKLMN?WI, and E=hamza.

Here's the two-line shell script:

#!/bin/sh
curl -Ls $1 | tr "A-Z" "a-z" | tr "\r\n" "  " | sed  -e "s/<p>/||/g"
-e "s/<.tr>/|/g" -e "s/<br>/||/g" -e "s/<[^>]*>//g" -e "s/&nbsp;/ /g"
| tr
"\301\302\303\304\305\306\307\310\311\312\313\314\315\316\317\320\321\322\
323\324\325\326\330\331\332\333\335\336\337\341\343\344\345\346\354\355"
"EAAWAEAB?TCJHODZR;S:XVUY\"GFQKLMN?WII" | tr "|" "\n" | tr -s " "

Cheers,

Dan.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 18:54:46 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:54:46 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:richness of Arabic responses
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2) Subject: richness of Arabic response

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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: "Miriam R. L. Petruck" <miriamp at cogsci.berkeley.edu>
Subject: richness of Arabic response

Re/Arabic semantic richness query: Have a look at _The Semantics of Form
in Arabic in the Mirror of European Languages_ by David Justice.  It was a
dissertation in Linguistics at Berkeley, then published by Benjamins.

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2)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Jamal Attar <jamattar at cyberia.net.lb>
Subject: richness of Arabic response

Dear respectful colleague
May I suggest on the richness of Arabic, my contribution entitled "A Rich
Concept of Arabic / al-'Arabiyya: al-Jahiz's Original View of "Arabic" in
relation to the Holy Qur'an: Concept transcending language to culture and
socio-moral code" at  http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~hdeley/attar2.htm.
  Medieval sources as al-Zamakhshari's "  Asaas al-Balagha  " is another
suggestion.
Best.
Jamal el-'Attar, PhD (Edinburgh, 1996)
Arabo-Islamic and Civilizational studies

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 18:52:03 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:52:03 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:iCab
Message-ID: <MON.29.OCT.2001.115203.0700.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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1) Subject: iCab
2) Subject: iCab
3) Subject:OSX and Arabic

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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Frantz <erkidego at yahoo.com>
Subject: iCab

I had not problem at all with iCab.  It works better than any other browser
to read Arabic.  You have to be sure that in the text coding you choose the
right Arabic system that was used to create the page you are viewing.
There are three options in the menu.

I have been able to copy and paste from the html document into NisusWriter
without any problem at all.

Frantz

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2)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Albrecht Hofheinz <Albrecht_Hofheinz at web.de>
Subject: iCab

Thanks YemenL for pointing out the need to *register iCab for Arabic*
using Apple's Language Register program. This does indeed do the
trick. I haven't tried it under OS X yet, but it works fine in 9.2.
Really should have thought of this myself.

For the benefit of the list, here's what Knut Vik?r
<fmikv at alf.uib.no> of the University of Bergen, Norway, kindly wrote
in response to the original query:

QUOTE

I was forwarded this to see if there was a cure. In fact, I am not
yet up to OS X, so I may not be the best to answer. But briefly, what
I know:
- Under Mac WorldScript (systems up to 9), all punctuation is
duplicated, there is an Arabic period and a Latin period, an Arabic
comma and a Latin comma etc. Only the Mac does this. In all other
systems (ISO 8859, Unicode, Windows), a distinction is made between
those punctuation that has a different shape in Arabic (is reversed:
comma, question mark, semicolon) and those that are identical from
left and right (period, colon, exclamation mark). The former have a
separate Arabic identity, the latter do not, they have only one
period and require some other code to tell the display whether to use
an Arabic or English font.

The Mac's way of doing things simplifies matters, but that does not
mean much netwise as long as no other platform does this. So, all
Arabic texts on the net follow the "single period" rule; i.e. only
the Latin period exists. Thus when iCab sees a period in an Arabic
text, it - according to the Mac's system - sees it as an English
period, and acts accordingly.

When English and Arabic texts appear on the same line, the
application must decide which language dominates; i.e. whether the
Arabic and English text blocks are to be ordered from left to right
on the line or right to left. Good Arabic programs like Nisus allow
the user to decide this; but iCab is not made with Arabic in mind. It
is hard wired to Latin left-right domination, and thus will always
organize the text blocks left to right; even if the "English block"
is just a single period.

Thus, this is not a bug, but just following from the logic of Mac/net
discrepancy. Once Unicode is implemented, this will go away, since
Mac of course then will follow the same Unicode standards in this
respect. -- I have alerted iCab's developers to this situation, but I
suspect they will not give priority to what may be a major rewrite on
this OS 9-only problem, but rather go for Carbonization.

As for OS X; Arabic is as you know not implemented yet, but I am told
by knowledgeable people (not having upgraded myself), that if you
install a full Unicode font that contains Arabic characters, while
you cannot yourself yet write Arabic, you should be able to read
Unicode Arabic pages on the Web using the OmniWeb browser for OS X. I
copy from his message:

>As for right to left languages, OmniWeb can display web pages in
>UTF-8 correctly if the text direction is set to R to L and direction
>marks are inserted properly.
>
Yusuke Kinoshita

I cannot thus confirm this, but it may indicate that things may be
looking up. (I have also heard that Netscape 6.sth has some support
for Arabic, but as far as I understand, it is not properly working
yet. However, it should perhaps be monitored in upgrades).

Knut S. Vik?r

END OF QUOTE

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3)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: dparvaz at unm.edu
Subject: OSX and Arabic

I went ahead and tried OmniWeb's "sneakypeek" release of their
browser (bad Javascript and DOM implementations have kept me from
them in the past), but all I get in Arabic pages (say, aljazeera.net)
is an Arabic keycaps-style glyph which screams "not yet implemented."
When I install an Arabic font (like Geeza), I get Arabic characters,
but they're all stand-alone (i.e., no "joining"), and everything is
still left-to-right.

The same problem exists in OS X's stock mail application, which would
indicate that both programs are relying on nonexistent OS-level
support.

*Sigh*,

Dan.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 18:49:05 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:49:05 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:allaah responses
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1) Subject: allaah in Maltese
2) Subject: allaah in Dutch e-mails
3) Subject: allaah response

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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Mark Camilleri <markcam at mail.global.net.mt>
Subject: allaah in Maltese

Hello,

We Maltese, though our language is?classified as an Arabic dialect?
by some linguists, we are of the Catholic religion. As far as "Allah"
goes we call him "Alla" and?for "Rabb" we use "Mulej" (Mula in Arabic).
Malta was a Muslim colony in the?Middle Ages an though our language
changed much since then, the name of "Alla/h" remained the same
because our forefathers saw the similarities between Christianity and
Islam and between Allah and Alla.

Thank you,
Mark

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2)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From:  Louis Boumans <louis.boumans at freeler.nl>
Subject: allaah in dutch e-mails

Some emperical data on the Allah versus God discussion:

For other purposes, I collected a sample of bulletin board messages
composed in Dutch by (mainly) Moroccan young people living in the
Netherlands and Flanders. The sample consists of 40333 words divided
over 237 messages posted under 196 differents nicknames.

The sample contains 137 tokens [!] of <Allah> versus 18 tokens of
<God>. In other words, this particular Muslim community prefers the
word Allah over the Dutch alternative, even when communicating in
Dutch.

Yours, Louis Boumans

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3)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From:  ahmed abboud <ahmedabboud at hotmail.com>
Subject: allaah response

Hello everybody,
I do agree with Mr. Chambers concerning the distinction of allah and
other names in other religions.I think it's important to make such
distinctions ,because we're dealing with nouns that refer to
concepts.For the same reason I have reservation against the following
translation(laa illaaha illaa allaah) into(there's no God but allah)
instead I suggest the following(Allah is one and only).Thank you.
My regards,
Ahmed

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 19:06:32 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:06:32 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:GEN:Translator needed
Message-ID: <MON.29.OCT.2001.120632.0700.DILWORTHPARKINSON@BYU.EDU>

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Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: LaTonya M. Lowe <LOWE at ALCINC.COM>
Subject: Translator needed

[REPOSTED FROM LINGUIST]

Areas Required: translation
University or Organization: ALC INC
Department: Human resources
State or Province: MD
Country: USA
Final Date of Application: 31 DEC 2001
Contact: LATONYA M. LOWE LOWE at ALCINC.COM

Address for Applications:
172 ROLLINS AVE
ROCKVILLE
MD 20852
USA

Translator needed ASAP in the following languages: Arabic, Hindu,
Urdu, Punjabi, Turkish, AND Uzbek.  Must be able to interpret and
translate.  Must be a US citizen and willing to work overseas.  Must
have a DOD security clearance or be able to obtain one. Military
experience a plus.

Send resume to: lowe at alcinc.com or fax to 301-881-6877.

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 19:02:01 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:02:01 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:PEDA:Intensive Program for Natives responses
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2) Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response
3) Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response
4) Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response

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1)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: nagwa hedayet <nhedayet at yahoo.com>
Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response

Regarding your query, kindly note that we, at the Hedayet Institute
for Arabic Studies situated in Cairo,Egypt, can tailor an intensive
language course to brush up the language skills of a native?speaker.
Some of the teachers of the institute have long experience in
teaching CASA III program.

Nagwa Hedayet
Hedayet institute for Arabic Studies
72,Rd.# 10,
Maadi, Cairo, Egypt
Tel: (202)3583915
Cell:(2012) 2261308

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2)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Vito Evola <vito.evola at libero.it>
Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response

There is a wonderful program at the Bouguiba School at IMLV
University of Tunis. A fine school (I've been there!) and there are
two intensive courses at many levels, one in winter, one in summer,
and they also have a course for Tunisian dialect. There are special
offerings for Tunisian emigrants.

Contact me for more information.
Vito Evola
vito.evola at libero.it
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3)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: alaa elgibali <elgibali at aucegypt.edu>
Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response

I don't know of specific programs that offer language refresher courses for
"native" Arabic speakers.  The closest thing is what the American University
in Cairo offers either to its undergraduate students, to improve their
language skills, or to its graduate students who want to delve a bit deeper
into the language.

Alaa Elgibali
elgibali at aucegypt.edu

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4)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Morgane Mokhtar <morganemokhtar at hotmail.com>
Subject: Intensive Program for Natives response

Hello,
I know of the Institu Bourguiba, Universite de Tunis, where they offer
an intensive one-month course every summer, usually from July 15th to
August 15th approx. There are 12 levels (at least that's what they
offered in 1991 when I went!), and the last ones are suitable for
native speakers who want to brush up their knowledge of Arabic. I
don't have their details anymore, but I'm sure they can be found on
the Net.

Regards,
Morgane Mokhtar
Translator
French, English, Arabic & Spanish
Tel/fax: +2(02)241-6920 (GMT+2)
Mobile phone: +2(010)154-2493

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 19:05:29 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:05:29 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:TRANS:intifada response
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1)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Ali Farghaly  <Smith9887 at aol.com>
Subject: intifada response

The word 'intifada', I think is a case of borrowing and has become a
part of the English lexicon. It was borrowed for the following
reasons.
The word &#8220;intifada&#8217;  and not any other English words such
as &#8220;uprising&#8221; was used because, I believe, there was
something unique about the Palestinian uprising. First, it was
primarily the young Palestinian boys ages  who took the initiative
and  the active role and not the adults. Second, what these boys did
was they threw stone at the Israeli troops. They did not have guns
nor machine guns as the Israeli soldiers had. Third, they kept on
doing this for several months in spite of the causalities they had.
It was clearly a unique cry  to human conscience   and to the whole
world that there was a problem there. Videos from there showed how
the Israeli troops responded to these innocent kids who had nothing
but small stones with bullets. I think it is this uniqueness that
prompted Western media to refer to this unique event with a unique
term i.e. &#8216;intifada&#8217;. Notice that any other English word
such as &#8216;uprising&#8217; will never give the same associations
of meanings
hat surrounds the &#8216;intifada&#8217;. Whereas
&#8216;uprising&#8217; can refer to a  similar event any where in the
world by any group of people , &#8216;intifada&#8217; can only refer
to the Palestinian uprising in the West Bank primarily at the hands
of very young innocent kids against the Israeli occupation of their
land.
Ali Farghaly
Senior Linguist
YY Technologies

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 19:04:23 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:04:23 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:Needs linguistics paper written in Arabic
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1)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Mahmoud Sadrai <sadrai at tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Needs linguistics paper written in Arabic

This is a request for a (any!) paper in linguistics (in any area of
linguistics) that is written in Arabic.

I am a student at the University of Minnesota, and I have the option of
fulfilling my language requirements by translating a paper from Arabic
to English. However, I am having difficulty finding an academic paper in
linguistics written in Arabic. I would appreciate any help, including
sources, authors, and journals I may consult.

you may post to the listserv, or e-mail me directly at
<mahm0007 at umn.edu>.

If there is interest, I'd be happy to compile this information and
submit to listserv for posting

Thanks very much for you help,

Mahmoud Sadrai

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From Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu  Mon Oct 29 19:07:31 2001
From: Dilworth_Parkinson at byu.edu (Dilworth B. Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:07:31 -0700
Subject: Arabic-L:LING:Comparative Dialects query
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1)
Date:  29 Oct 2001
From: Mathias van den Bossche <m.vdb at free.fr>
Subject: Comparative Dialects query (new member intro)

Dear all,

I am new to this list, and as required in the welcome/confirmation
message, here is a description of why I'm joining.

So, I am Mathias van den Bossche, and I'll write from m.vdb at free.fr.
Although my name is Dutch, I write from (southern) France.
I am no linguist by education (I have a Ph.D in physics),
but I am fascinated by languages. I am somewhat familiar with
urban Palestinian Arabic dialect (contact with native speakers),
and I have been studying classical Arabic for a few years.

What interests me at the very moment is comparative grammar of
arabic dialects. I would also be delighted to learn more about
the impact of pre-arabic languages on today s dialects where
relevant. I am trying to gather information on any Arabic dialect,
but I realized the web is not that rich on the matter at least
until now. If anybody has URLs to suggest, please do !

I would be very happy to gather enough data to publish web
pages with basic comparative data (simple things to begin with,
some phonetic maps ...).

That's all for the introduction

All the best

Mathias van den Bossche

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