Arabic-L:LING:Nominative Greetings

[Dilworth Parkinson]

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Date: 28 Feb 2003
From: enm at umich.edu
Subject:Nominative Greetings

And I cannot resist adding two more cents:

I have heard both used, and in each case the explanation is that you
can fill
in the ellipsis either way:  nom. if the underlying sentence is
SabaaHu-l-
xayri lakum 'A good morning to you' and acc. if the underlying sentence
is 'uSabbiHu-kum SabaaHa-l-xayri 'I bid you a good morning'.

Ernest McCarus

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2)
Date: 28 Feb 2003
From: suma99 at att.net
Subject:Nominative Greetings

I have to agree with the first part of Dil's response. Indeed the
accusative is
the more correct usagez, as most all greetings have the accusative i.e.
ahlan
wa sahlan, marhaban, even duas and other one or two word expressions
have the
accustaive such as: hajjan mabruran said to the hajji, jam'an said to
the
worshipper after jumuah prayers in Egypt; also  sam'an wa taa'ah;and
many other
examples.
However I vehemently disagree with his last comments that final
vowelization
has nothing to do with accuracy of speech or fusha as he put it. Indeed
it has
everything to do with fusha, granted it may also have social
implications of
how educated or high fallutten the speaker is.

Thanks,
Ismael

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3)
Date: 28 Feb 2003
From: "Schub, Michael" <Michael.Schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject:Nominative Greetings

Hello!  Guten Morgen!                      --Mike Schub

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