Arabic-L:LING:Nasrallah's 'r' pronunciation responses
Dilworth Parkinson
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Date: 25 Jul 2006
From:halajawlakh at gmail.com
Subject:Nasrallah's 'r' pronunciation response
Nassrallah's pronunciation of the /r/ is called "ladgha", we say "3am
yeldagh" in lebanon.
It seems to be something that some men in lebanon do. I don't think i
have heard females do it. I also think that it is more common in some
families than others so, if one cousin has it, others likely have it
too. And, i think that you hear that sound more in some geographical
areas (lebanon's geography is mostly divided on religious lines).
What happens is that little boys learn their phonemes but when it's
time to learn how to say the /r/ sound they either delay that until
their late teens or they grow old and they still "byeldaghou".
So, this pronunciation is affected by gender, age and geopraphy. I
have a feeling that It is a sociolinguistic more than a physical
phenomenon because i have seen families who have members living in
lebanon and in other countries and it seems that the branches in
lebanon have it whereas the branches living in other countries don't.
Also, men have been known to drop it when they find themselves in
situations where it is stigmatized.
Oh, and by the way, this pronunciation was not stigmatized in the
area of lebanon where i lived. It is a bit stigmatized in some places
(e.g: the army), which is why some change the way they speak when
they are drafted.
If you find any studies about this phenomenon, please share them with
us. I am very interested in this because my brother, cousins and
some of my uncles have it :)
hala
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2)
Date: 25 Jul 2006
From:wasamy at umich.edu
Subject:Nasrallah's 'r' pronunciation response
This is one way that people who can not pronounce /r/ pronounce it.
There
are others ways of pronouncing /r/ too: /g/, /غ/ (ghayn), /v/, and a
sort of
a voiced bi-labial fricative (fwicative)!
Waheed Samy
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3)
Date: 25 Jul 2006
From:katia.zakharia at mom.fr
Subject:Nasrallah's 'r' pronunciation response
This feature has nothing to do with the dialect. It is due to the
lingual frenum. Some arabic-speakers pronounce the raa waaw and
others prononce it ghayn. In some cases, speech therapy can settle
the matter. In some cases, oral surgery can do it. In most cases,
people don't see it as a problem as long as the speaker is intellegible.
Tahiyyaatii al-haawwa
Katia Zakharia
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4)
Date: 25 Jul 2006
From:Ne5 at soas.ac.uk
Subject:Nasrallah's 'r' pronunciation response
Hi,
This is definitely a speech difficulty.
Nada Elzeer
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5)
Date: 25 Jul 2006
From:daoudw at stjohns.edu
Subject:Nasrallah's 'r' pronunciation response
It's not a speech difficulty, I have the same R pronunciation, mine
is a little slighter, and I know that I have it because I took French
as a second language from kindergarten throughout high school. The
president of Lebanon speaks the same way, so many other people in
Lebanon.
Wafa Daoud
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6)
Date: 25 Jul 2006
From:GnhBos at aol.com
Subject:Nasrallah's 'r' pronunciation response
In Lebanon, we call this, "Ladgha B'Harf Ra'" or "Qarta/Yaqrutu..."!
Maybe
10% of the population do that, including my wife! It is an artistic
mixture
of Ra' and Gha', with
various other variations!
My personal unscientific opinion is that they start, as kids, at
being cute,
it creeps up
on them, by the time they are 18, and cannot get rid of it! It may
also come
from the
French cultural influence!
If you think Nassrallah has a bad accent, you ought to hear the Lebanese
president,
Emile Lahoud! It is also noticeable when some Israelis speak; I have a
friend from Ukraine who has this "Ladgha" too...
Best Regards,
George N. Hallak
AramediA
61 Adams Street
Braintree, MA 02184 USA
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7)
Date: 25 Jul 2006
From:AyoubyK at dearborn.k12.mi.us
Subject:Nasrallah's 'r' pronunciation response
Greetings,
This is a speech impediment, nothing more. Sometimes, his "r" sounds
like the ghayn (or a German R).
Kenneth K. Ayouby
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8)
Date: 25 Jul 2006
From:john.nawas at arts.kuleuven.be
Subject:Nasrallah's 'r' pronunciation response
Dear Haroon,
It is indeed a speech impediment. Arabic actually has a word for
someone who
is incapable of pronouncing the ra' defaulting to a ghayn --
unfortunately,
I, at present, cannot remember the word ... At any rate, it is not
uncommon
amongst Arabs. Regards, John Nawas.
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