Arabic-L:PEDA:Grammar Book suggestion responses

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Date: 30 Oct 2007
From:"Muhammet Gunaydin" <mgunaydin at istanbul.edu.tr>
Subject:Grammar Book suggestion response

Dear Paul;

I would suggest a book called  "al-qawaid al-arabiyyah al-muyassarah" (
القواعد العربية الميسرة) by the Arabic Language  
Institute of the University
of Malik Sa'uud.

The book is a part of a serial prepared for non-Arab learners of  
Arabic. It
is organized according to grammatical subjects such as "mudhakkar- 
muannath",
"mufrad-muthanna-jam'", "nakra-marifa", etc. Each lesson begins with  
a short
text "created" to show a special grammatical point, followed by a  
plenty of
exercises/homeworks. At the end of each lesson it offers a summary of  
the
grammatical points of that specific lesson. (The major defect of the  
book is
the usage of "created texts" mostly, instead of "original, real  
texts" in
its lessons.)

Though it needs to be updated since it is originally published in  
1980s, I
think it is still usable. We use it in our Arabic program. I would e- 
mail
you a part of it in PDF to look at it if you wish.

Finally, of course, this book is in Arabic. If a group of Arabists  
initiates
a compilation of an Arabic grammar book in English compiled in a  
manner you
have suggested, I would love to participate since I liked the idea very
much.

Best,
Muhammet

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Dr.Muhammet Gunaydin,
Lecturer of ARABIC LANGUAGE AND RHETORIC
ISTANBUL UNIVERSITY FACULTY OF THEOLOGY
Baba Hasan Alemi Mah.Kavalali Sok. No:1
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2)
Date: 30 Oct 2007
From:Haroon Shirwani <arabictutor at hotmail.com>
Subject:Grammar Book suggestion response

Dear Paul

Mastering Arabic Grammar is great for beginners:

http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Arabic-Grammar-Palgrave-Languages/dp/ 
1403941092/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-6844670-3640720? 
ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193433439&sr=8-1
The explanations are clear, and the exercises are meaningful and fun.  
It is not comprehensive, but it teaches the points it does cover very  
well.

Best wishes,
Haroon

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3)
Date: 30 Oct 2007
From:"John Joseph Colangelo" <yaacolangelo at hotmail.com>
Subject:Grammar Book suggestion response

Dear Abu Samy,

I know what you want. The problem is that I haven´t found it either.  
I have had to prepare these things myself. So what I do is I use  
books like al-arabiya al-muasira which has an index as to the grammar  
points that are reviewed in each chapter through the texts as well as  
other books like those used in primary Arabic schools and the Berlitz  
method (sorry Dil for giving them propaganda). Now, what I also do is  
prepare the oral work I will be teaching them where I normally lay  
down the ground work (vocab, phrases, sentences, etc). I articulate  
the sentences that they, the students, must repeated and use the  
vocabulary from the texts as well. Usually, I do this oral work  
before we even begin the texts as I firmly believe that in language  
learning we speak before we read. This is especially rewarding as  
when we start to do the reading, the students recognize the words  
almost immediately.

I also like to add to this 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th grade Arabic  
language material (from primary Arabic schools) as the books used in  
countries like Morocco, Saudi Arabi, The UAE, etc have lots of  
interesting material (stories, for instance) that contain vocabulary,  
phrases, etc we can use in class.

No one has said, of course, that it is an easy task. For each hour of  
lessons, I can spend at least an hour or two preparing the classes.  
In the beginning, it´s a pain in the behind but the lessons planned  
will always remain with you when you have to use them again.

I would firmly reiterate what you suggested forming a work group with  
various teachers because this kind of book you are proposing could  
end up being an excelent text book especially if it remains in  
Arabic. The reason I am mentioning this is that in the University of  
Granada a couple of years ago they started using Al-kitaab series.  
What ticks them is that a lot of the book is in English and many of  
the teachers do not know English (some do) but it becomes hard to use  
when a lot of the excercises consist of translating English sentences  
into Arabic which was how language teaching was conducted 40 years  
ago (and blasphemy in places like Berlitz).

John Joseph Colangelo
Translator and Interpreter
Arabic/Spanish/English

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4)
Date: 30 Oct 2007
From: "samar" <moushabeck at hotmail.com>
Subject:Grammar Book suggestion response

Dear Abu Sammy,
I would love to have such a book.  Please keep me posted.
Samar Moushabeck

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5)
Date: 30 Oct 2007
From:"Schub, Michael B." <Michael.Schub at trincoll.edu>
Subject:Grammar Book suggestion response

Yalla!
      The best comprehensive grammar for MSA (and with amazingly few  
misprints) is K. Ryding's *A Reference Grammar of MSA* Cambridge  
2005.  *Modern Written Arabic* by Badawi, Carter, and Gulley,  
Routeledge 2004 is chock-full of misprints; and howlers such as on p.  
277 top:  /kaana  Z-Zalaamu  daamisan/  translated as "oppression was  
in hiding" (sic) for the correct "it got really dark."
      For CA one can use W. Fischer's "Grammar of Cl. Ar.* third ed,  
Yale--also full of misprints, but they may be corrected soon in the  
forthcoming (?) fourth edition.
      These have to be used, of course, with appropriate 'Readers' on  
various levels.  Good luck,

          Mike Schub

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