<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Arabic-L: Sat 26 Jan 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Moderator: Dilworth Parkinson <<a href="mailto:dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu">dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">[To post messages to the list, send them to <a href="mailto:arabic-l@byu.edu">arabic-l@byu.edu</a>]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">[To unsubscribe, send message from same address you subscribed from to</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:listserv@byu.edu">listserv@byu.edu</a> with first line reading:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> unsubscribe arabic-l ]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-------------------------Directory------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1) Subject:Jobs restricted to native speakers</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2) Subject:Jobs restricted to native speakers</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-------------------------Messages-----------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 26 Jan 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:<a href="mailto:shehade@mappi.helsinki.fi">shehade@mappi.helsinki.fi</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:Jobs restricted to native speakers</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; ">The basic question that needs to be raised is: Should a professor of <br>Arabic language and Islamic studies master this language both in theory <br>and practice or not? As far as I know there is no condition in the policy <br>of professorship which says that the candidate has to show a profound <br>knowledge in Arabic and what counts mainly is publications. Consequently <br>the phenomenon of finding professors of Arabic who are unable neither to <br>speak any sort of Arabic nor write MSA is common. <br>On the other side not every native speaker of a certain language can be a <br>good teacher. Beside this ability of one Arabic dialect and a profound <br>active knowledge of MSA that most academic Arabs have he needs to know the <br>educational methods of teaching and like this profession.<br>H. Shehadeh<br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 26 Jan 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:"Iktômi" <<a href="mailto:ikto.ness@gmail.com">ikto.ness@gmail.com</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:Jobs restricted to native speakers</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; ">Hi everybody!!<br><br>I was very pleased to read this discussion for it's an issue that interests<br>me personally! I am a teacher of French ( L1 Arabic). I come from a country<br>where Fr is a L2, and spoken by nearly the majority of the population. I do<br>consider myself a native speaker of French, in reality I am bilingual, since<br>I spent 8 years of my life in France, and I was always considered French by<br>the natives. It sounds as if I had no problem with anything related to what<br>you were discussing about, but I am writing because I recently had many<br>discussions with a friend of mine, same origin, nearly the same competences<br>in French, and gratuated for teaching French as a Foreign language. She<br>spent 6 months looking for a job, but she was refused at all her<br>applications (around 70 applications). All of these applications were<br>highlighting the condition that the teacher had to be a native-speaker,<br>which, on the official documents, is not her case. She ended up thinking<br>about conducting a PHD research on these representations native/ non-native<br>language teachers, and we've been talking about the issue a long time.<br>I totally agree on this idea: a native speaker is not necessarily a good<br>language teacher and a non-native, one may know how to explain things and<br>teach them for he/she is more sensitive to the learning difficulties. I<br>would like to add though, something I consider very important: non-native<br>teachers' perceptions towards themselves and their teaching. these can also<br>be problematic, and creates a feeling of insecurity and lack of confidence.<br>Myself, I would't have questioned my language abilities hadn't I been<br>recruited to teach the language. I was so confident or rather, my language<br>performance was generally natural, until I had to teach and transmit it to<br>my studemnts, I started questionning every language use, every expression,<br>even the most obvious ones. Teaching is a form of knowledge<br>transmission, It's a responsibility, and when the context points out to<br>non-native teachers, non-native teachers themselves feel inconfident, and<br>can end up being paralysed by all those social constructions<br>Thank you</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">End of Arabic-L: 26 Jan 2008</div></body></html>