<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Arabic-L: Mon 11 Feb 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Moderator: Dilworth Parkinson <<a href="mailto:dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu">dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">[To post messages to the list, send them to <a href="mailto:arabic-l@byu.edu">arabic-l@byu.edu</a>]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">[To unsubscribe, send message from same address you subscribed from to</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:listserv@byu.edu">listserv@byu.edu</a> with first line reading:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> unsubscribe arabic-l ]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-------------------------Directory------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1) Subject:MEMRITV response</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2) Subject:MEMRITV response</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">3) Subject:MEMRITV response</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">4) Subject:MEMRITV response</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">5) Subject:MEMRITV response</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-------------------------Messages-----------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 11 Feb 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:Elissa Krieg <<a href="mailto:goldberry2005@gmail.com">goldberry2005@gmail.com</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:MEMRITV response</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; ">Thank you for this tip. Unfortunately I just tried this on my Mac and couldn't view any of the clips.<br><br>Elissa Krieg<br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 11 Feb 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:Nadia Yaqub <<a href="mailto:yaqubn@yahoo.com">yaqubn@yahoo.com</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:MEMRITV response</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Mike Shub,<br> I hope you are thoroughly contextualizing MemriTV as a news source when you use it in the classroom. While I have no illusions about the ability of any news publication to be without bias, there is nonetheless a difference between ideologically and commercially driven sources and your students should know that this is most definitely an example of the former. You may select the programs you show your students with all possible care, but the main piece of information that your students will take home from your lessons is that MemriTV is a source that you, their instructor, likes and uses. This is all the encouragement they may need for making it their primary source of news on the Arab World. I can't imagine a better way to both foster ongoing support for MEMRI and contribute to the distorted view of the Arab World that is already so prevalent in this country. <br> Nadia Yaqub<br></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">3)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 11 Feb 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:taoufiq ben amor <<a href="mailto:tb46@columbia.edu">tb46@columbia.edu</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:MEMRITV response</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Dear Mr. Schub,<br><br>I generally would make more of an effort to be articulate, but are you serious about this recommendation? Read the titles, and THEY ARE IN ENGLISH. I counted the word "terrorism" half a dozen times. Now, how do you suggest we smooth that out with some "love and care" as you say? How about the content? How about the dubiousness of the interviewees, like Wafa Sultan and her likes? Have you actually listened to what she has to say?<br><br>As an alternative, and enjoy the humor here if you can, i found this clip (one of many) of Mr. Bush speaking Arabic. Perhaps you could volunteer the ENGLISH TRANSLATION.<br><br><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=7EbKkuICQFg&feature=related">http://youtube.com/watch?v=7EbKkuICQFg&feature=related</a><br><br>best,<br><br>t ben amor<br></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">4)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 11 Feb 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:"David Wilmsen" <<a href="mailto:david.wilmsen@gmail.com">david.wilmsen@gmail.com</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:MEMRITV response</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>It would be a disservice to our students to plunk them down in front<br>of Memri without a long discussion of the agenda of the site's owners<br>and operators. About that agenda see the discussion in these sources:<br><br><br>Whitaker, Brian (2002) 'Selective MEMRI', The Guardian, 12 August.<br><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html">http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html</a>.<br><br>Harris, Leah (2003) 'A Note on MEMRI & Translations', Counterpunch, 15<br>January. <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/harris01152003.html">http://www.counterpunch.org/harris01152003.html</a>.<br><br>El Oifi, Mohammed (2005) 'Gained in Translation: Why the Middle East<br>Media Research Institute is a source of English versions of Arabic<br>texts that are designed to mislead and disinform', Le Monde<br>diplomatique (English edition), October, 12-13.<br><br>Repressive MEMRI, by Juan Cole<br><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/cole/?articleid=4047">http://www.antiwar.com/cole/?articleid=4047</a><br><br>Guardian email debate between Brian Whitaker and Yigal Carmon (2003)<br><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,,884156,00.html">http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,,884156,00.html</a><br><br>Livingstone, Ken (Mayor of London) (2005) Why the Mayor of London will<br>maintain dialogues with all of London's faiths and communities: A<br>reply to the dossier against the Mayor's meeting with Dr Yusuf<br>al-Qaradawi, London: Greater London Authority.<br><br>Arabic under Fire: A child on Hamas TV talked of annihilating the Jews<br>- or did she?, Brian Whitaker, The Guardian, 15 May 2007.<br><a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/brian_whitaker/2007/05/arabic_under_fire.html">http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/brian_whitaker/2007/05/arabic_under_fire.html</a><br><br>Arabs Against Discrimination<br>(<a href="http://www.aad-online.org/en/AboutUs/tabid/73/Default.aspx">http://www.aad-online.org/en/AboutUs/tabid/73/Default.aspx</a>),<br>originally set up specifically as a response to MEMRI's activities.<br><br>Mideast Wire (<a href="http://www.mideastwire.com/index.php">http://www.mideastwire.com/index.php</a>) offers another<br>good source for more balanced translated reporting on Arabic media.<br><br>See also MEMRI Watch (<a href="http://www.memriwatch.org/">www.memriwatch.org</a>)<br><br>And Mona Baker's discussion of MEMRI's tactics in Translation and<br>Conflict: A Narrative Account, London & New York, Routledge, 2006, pp.<br>73-75, 108, 109, 114, 177<br><br>-- <br>David Wilmsen, PhD, Arabic language and linguistics<br>Visiting Associate Professor of Arabic<br>Department of Arabic and Near Eastern Languages<br>American University of Beirut<br></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">5)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 11 Feb 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:MEMRITV response</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">End of Arabic-L: 11 Feb 2008</div></body></html>