<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Arabic-L: Fri 22 Feb 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Moderator: Dilworth Parkinson <<a href="mailto:dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu">dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">[To post messages to the list, send them to <a href="mailto:arabic-l@byu.edu">arabic-l@byu.edu</a>]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">[To unsubscribe, send message from same address you subscribed from to</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:listserv@byu.edu">listserv@byu.edu</a> with first line reading:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> unsubscribe arabic-l ]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-------------------------Directory------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1) Subject:vowel length in Palestinian Arabic query</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-------------------------Messages-----------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 22 Feb 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:Michael Kenstowicz <<a href="mailto:kenstow@MIT.EDU">kenstow@MIT.EDU</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:vowel length in Palestinian Arabic query</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; ">I have been rereading Abu-Salim's (1982) U of Ill thesis. He speaks of a process of pre-stress shortening that shortens a CVV syllable that stands immediately before the stressed syllable: baab, but babeen 'door', dual; Suura, but suurteen (no shortening since CVVC) and 9aalameen 'worlds' no shortening since no adjacent.<br><br>I am trying to determine if there are words where we have underlying CVV followed by a stressed syllable within the stem, rather than across a cyclic boundary like the dual/plural suffix. I have found a few patterns in Erwin's grammar of Syrian Arabic. If these occur in the Palestinian dialects that have shortening, can you tell me if they would shorten first CVV and if it is a high vowel, would they syncopate/delete the vowel? <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><br><br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>naamuus 'mosquito'<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>Saabuun 'soap' <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>yuunaan 'Greeks'<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>Gaalaat 'locks' <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>fanaajiin 'lamps' <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>r∫uuHaat 'colds'<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>lHuumaat 'meat'</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">End of Arabic-L: 22 Feb 2008</div></body></html>