<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Arabic-L: Mon 01 Apr 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Moderator: Dilworth Parkinson <<a href="mailto:dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu">dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">[To post messages to the list, send them to <a href="mailto:arabic-l@byu.edu">arabic-l@byu.edu</a>]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">[To unsubscribe, send message from same address you subscribed from to</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:listserv@byu.edu">listserv@byu.edu</a> with first line reading:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> unsubscribe arabic-l ]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-------------------------Directory------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1) Subject:Arabic on Mac</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2) Subject:Arabic on Mac</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">3) Subject:Yamil</div><div><br></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-------------------------Messages-----------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 01 Apr 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:"Kamal AlEkhnawy" <<a href="mailto:kamal19@aucegypt.edu">kamal19@aucegypt.edu</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:Arabic on Mac</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; ">Dear all,<br>Since I started using Mac in 1992 to prepare materials for my classes, there<br>has been a problem with Arabic script. If Arabic letters are connected<br>properly, you may face a problem with the word order.<br>However, those who have old Mac (bought before 07), they can use "Open<br>Office" software. It is totally free, and you can download it either form<br><a href="http://www.OpenOffice.org">www.OpenOffice.org</a> or from <a href="http://www.download.com/">www.download.com</a>. It allows you use Word and<br>PowerPoint but may not support all Office product such as Access or OneNote.<br><br>Those who have new Mac (2007 Mac or later), they can either get Open Office<br>or use Windows operating system and install Office in their Mac. All new Mac<br>computers support dual operating systems: Mac and Windows.<br>p.s.: all office products are fully Arabic enabled, and some of which can be<br>useful for classroom activities. For example, I've used Office OneNote in<br>some of my classes and found it very useful to engage/challenge my class in<br>integrated interactive drills, i.e., you can ask your students to respond,<br>simultaneously, either by speaking or typing in Arabic while they are<br>watching a clip. <br><br>Cheers,<br>Kamal AlEkhnawy<br>Head of Computer-Assisted Language Learning (CALL) unit<br>The American University in Cairo<br><a href="mailto:Kamal19@aucegypt.edu">Kamal19@aucegypt.edu</a><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 01 Apr 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:"Waheed Samy" <<a href="mailto:wasamy@umich.edu">wasamy@umich.edu</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:Arabic on Mac</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; ">he trouble with NeoOffice is that it continues (version 2.2.3) not to have<br>a "context" selection for numerals. As a consequence, if you have mixed<br>documents, it seems to me to be not possible at this time to show Hindi and<br>Arabic (automatic) numbering at the same time. <br><br>Another annoying problem is that the two fonts Simplified Arabic and<br>Traditional Arabic don't exist on the Mac. I have not been able to buy<br>either one. These two in particular are important because there is ample<br>spacing between dots diacritics. As a consequence, when I open a Word<br>document --created under Windows-- on the Mac --under NeoOffice, the<br>document differs. Some of my students use Windows, and others Macs. Fonts<br>such as Arial, common on both systems, are not designed for Arabic because<br>dots and diacritics overlap.<br><br>A colleague of mine, a computer consultant at the Language Resource Center<br>at Michigan University, told me that the problem with Arabic on MSOffice on<br>the Mac is an Apple problem. He said that his contacts at Apple have<br>informed him that they have not found it to be worth their time to develop<br>products for Arabic. They might in the future, but it's not a priority.<br><br>(I have an iPhone. Apple provides no Arabic for it. The third-party Arabic<br>for it is atrocious)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br>Waheed<br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 01 Apr 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:Loren Siebert <<a href="mailto:loren@siebert.org">loren@siebert.org</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:Arabic on Mac</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; ">It doesn't appear as though anyone has mentioned Yamli on this list, and as I am having such a good experience with Yamli lately, I thought I would mention it on Arabic-L.<br><br>First, you can find Yamli here:<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span><a href="http://www.yamli.com/">http://www.yamli.com</a><br><br>In short, it enables you to type in transliterated Arabic (e.g., "3rabi, mu2tamar, ...) and have it automatically (or almost automatically) transformed into Arabic characters (عربي، مؤتمر). For those of you who have an interest in Arabic corpus linguistics, you might find the "almost" part interesting, because the lookup is essentially doing a form of predictive text input, like you'd see on a cell phone, against an Arabic corpus.<br><br>Yamli has an API that is in Beta right now, and I found it incredibly easy to integrate their input functionality into the writing components of LinguaStep, allowing LinguaStep's students and instructors the ability to type in Arabic without using a keyboard mapping. My users who are already quite comfortable typing natively in Arabic don't even notice Yamli, as it only pops up when you type in Latin characters.<br><br>I've found that LinguaStep users who have avoided these writing components for months are suddenly making heavy use of them, and this has overcome my initial reluctance to have users create Arabic via transliteration. If you have a website that involves user input in Arabic, Yamli might be a good fit for your users.<br><br>-Loren Siebert<br><a href="mailto:loren@linguastep.com">loren@linguastep.com</a><br><a href="http://www.linguastep.com/">http://www.linguastep.com</a><br>Where students share what they know and learn from others.<br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">End of Arabic-L: 01 Apr 2008</div></div></div></body></html>