<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Arabic-L: Sat 17 Aug 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Moderator: Dilworth Parkinson <<a href="mailto:dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu">dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">[To post messages to the list, send them to <a href="mailto:arabic-l@byu.edu">arabic-l@byu.edu</a>]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">[To unsubscribe, send message from same address you subscribed from to</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:listserv@byu.edu">listserv@byu.edu</a> with first line reading:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> unsubscribe arabic-l ]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-------------------------Directory------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1) Subject:computer question response</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1) Subject:computer question response</div><div><br></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-------------------------Messages-----------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 17 Aug 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:Benjamin Geer <<a href="mailto:benjamin.geer@gmail.com">benjamin.geer@gmail.com</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:computer question response</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><a href="mailto:mbooth@illinois.edu">mbooth@illinois.edu</a> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Also, I have a computer question: my son is about to start an undergraduate<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Arabic major (hurrah!), and I'm wondering what laptop to buy him. I'm a PC<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">user; he's interested in Mac but I've heard that present Arabic capabilities<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">on Mac aren't so great (though I know they used to be the best). Any advice?<br></blockquote><br>One thing to keep in mind is that Microsoft Word for Mac doesn't<br>support Arabic at all. For this reason, my wife uses NeoOffice<br>(<a href="http://www.neooffice.org/">http://www.neooffice.org</a>) instead of Word on her Mac laptop, and that<br>seems to be OK. NeoOffice is a Mac version of the free OpenOffice<br>productivity suite (<a href="http://www.openoffice.org/">http://www.openoffice.org/</a>), which runs on several<br>different operating systems.<br><br>My laptop runs Ubuntu Linux (<a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/">http://www.ubuntu.com/</a>), a free<br>community-developed operating system that includes OpenOffice; it<br>supports Arabic very well. A number of companies (e.g. Dell and Acer)<br>sell laptops with Linux pre-installed.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Dear colleagues -- Is anyone familiar with the font interface between the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">latest version of Wordperfect and arabic to english transliteration letters<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">such as `ayn, hamza, and the letters like d and h that sometimes<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">need a period below them)? Jaghbub, which I've installed for my latest<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">version of MS Word, doesn't seem to be accessible for Wordperfect.<br></blockquote><br>Any good Unicode font for European languages should have those<br>characters. I often use Gentium, a free font:<br><br><a href="http://scripts.sil.org/Gentium">http://scripts.sil.org/Gentium</a><br><br>If you can't find a way to type those letters on the keyboard, you<br>might try copying them and pasting them from this web page:<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_31635">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_31635</a><br><br>Ben<br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: 17 Aug 2008</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From:Knut S. Vikør <<a href="mailto:knut.vikor@ahkr.uib.no">knut.vikor@ahkr.uib.no</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject:computer question response</div><div><br></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; ">Also, I have a computer question: my son is about to start an undergraduate Arabic major (hurrah!), and I'm wondering what laptop to buy him. I'm a PC user; he's interested in Mac but I've heard that present Arabic capabilities on Mac aren't so great (though I know they used to be the best). Any advice?</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Arabic capabilities on the Mac are fine, it is the Arabic capabilities of Microsoft Word on Mac that are not fine (do not exist). But there are many other excellent word processors fully Arabic capable (and all read and write Microsoft Word files, if collaboration with PCs is an issue). So go ahead with the Mac choice, if that is what he is interested in - a fine machine.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; ">Dear colleagues -- Is anyone familiar with the font interface between the latest version of Wordperfect and arabic to english transliteration letters such as `ayn, hamza, and the letters like d and h that sometimes<br>need a period below them)? Jaghbub, which I've installed for my latest version of MS Word, doesn't seem to be accessible for Wordperfect. (I looked in the "symbols" tab.) I'm looking for the Times or Times New Roman font or something close for these particular letters. Is there a way to make a keyboard do this in WP? The internet has been no help.<br>Thanks. Frances Hasso</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Does WordPerfect support Unicode (e.g., can you write macrons over a and u etc. in Times New Roman?) I do not know anything about WP these days, but Jaghbub for Unicode (called "JaghbUni"), which I made, does - as the name implies - require that the application supports Unicode fonts. The old version of Jaghbub (called just thus) is a Mac font and is not intended for PCs. </div><div>For an overview of Unicode fonts for Arabic transliteration (PC/Mac) see,</div><div><a href="http://www.smi.uib.no/ksv/diacs.html#ucf">http://www.smi.uib.no/ksv/diacs.html#ucf</a></div><div>but technically they are all Unicode fonts, so either none or all will be useful for WordPerfect, depending on the application's abilities. </div><div><br></div><div>Knut S. Vikør</div><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">End of Arabic-L: 17 Aug 2008</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>