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</div><div>-------------------------Messages-----------------------------------</div><div>1)</div><div>Date: 10 Oct 2012</div><div>From:<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Benjamin Geer <<a href="mailto:benjamin.geer@gmail.com" target="_blank">benjamin.geer@gmail.com</a>></span></div>

<div>Subject:Meaning of 'near-native-speaker' discussion</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">It's certainly not the case that highly educated native speakers of Arabic</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">can necessarily speak MSA well. I have quite a few Egyptian friends who are</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">native speakers of Arabic, and have degrees from Egyptian state</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">universities, but have very low proficiency in spoken MSA. As far as I can</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">tell, for most educated Egyptians, there is simply no socio-linguistic</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">context that calls for "correct" spoken MSA. Even in the most formal</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">situations, highly educated native speakers can always speak a form of</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Arabic that includes a great deal of colloquial syntax and morphology. Of</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">course, some native speakers are indeed proficient in MSA, but I think</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">these are a very small minority, perhaps consisting mainly of "professional</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">MSA speakers" such as Arabic teachers.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Ben</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

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