<div dir="ltr">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Arabic-L: Fri 08 Mar 2013<br>Moderator: Dilworth Parkinson <<a href="mailto:dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu" target="_blank">dilworth_parkinson@byu.edu</a>><br>
[To post messages to the list, send them to <a href="mailto:arabic-l@byu.edu" target="_blank">arabic-l@byu.edu</a>]<br>[To unsubscribe, send message from same address you subscribed from to<br><a href="mailto:listserv@byu.edu" target="_blank">listserv@byu.edu</a> with first line reading:<br>
unsubscribe arabic-l ]<br><br>-------------------------Directory------------------------------------<br><br>1) Subject:standalone wa-<br>2) Subject:standalone wa-<br>3) Subject:standalone wa-<br>
4) Subject:standalone wa-<br><div><br></div><div>-------------------------Messages-----------------------------------<br>
1)<br>Date: 08 Mar 2013<br>From:<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><a href="mailto:mcredi@cloud9.net" target="_blank">mcredi@cloud9.net</a></span><br>Subject:standalone wa-<br><br><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The conjunctions of coordination "waaw" and "fa'" as well as the prepositions "li-" and "bi-" are not one-letter words and must be attached to the following word. While there is no disagreement as to the way fa-, li and bi- are written, it seems that this is not the case as far as waaw is concerned.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The source of the difference of opinion, as far as I can tell, is that waaw, unlike fa-, li- and bi-, is not connectable, i.e., not connected to the following letter. Thus came the idea that it can be detached from the following word. As evidence that the waaw can only be attached to the following word is that I have never seen it standing alone at the end of a line. Does the data presented earlier show a standalone waaw at the end of a line?</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Medhat Credi</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><a href="mailto:mcredi@nyu.edu" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target="_blank">mcredi@nyu.edu</a><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><div>2)<br>Date: 08 Mar 2013<br>From:<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Randi <<a href="mailto:asadi27@gmail.com" target="_blank">asadi27@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject:standalone wa-<br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Good morning all,</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I've also been following the 'waw' debate, and was equally surprised to see</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">that many people thought it was most often connected to another word. I've</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">never seen a waw used in any way *but* as a stand-alone article. I love</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">this connection you've made between the history of Syria and Morocco and</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">how the language has developed, thank you for the info!</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Randi</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div>--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><div>3)<br>Date: 08 Mar 2013<br>From:Dil Parkinson <<a href="mailto:dil@byu.edu" target="_blank">dil@byu.edu</a>><br>
Subject:standalone wa-<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>I just wanted to make it clear that the stats I presented a few days ago do not imply that the Moroccan paper (or the Syrian paper) I looked at use the standalone wa- more than they attach it to the following word. That is emphatically not the case. Everyone attaches more than they put a space after it. The statistics were meant to show only that the Moroccan and Syrian papers used the standalone wa- at a (much) higher rate than papers in other Arabic speaking countries.</div>
</div><div><br></div><div>One interesting thing that I noticed anecdotally (I haven't done a study on this so it might not be true) is that stand-alone wa- is quite common in section headings, like: </div>
<div><br></div><div dir="rtl">العرب و العالم</div><div>and the like. This is true for Al-Tajdid in Morocco, which uses a lot of standalone wa-, but also for Al-Arab Al-Yawm in Jordan, which otherwise uses almost none.</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.alarabalyawm.net/Public_News/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsID=69275&Lang=1&Site_ID=2&HomePageID=403124" target="_blank">http://www.alarabalyawm.net/Public_News/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsID=69275&Lang=1&Site_ID=2&HomePageID=403124</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone wants to get an idea of the relative frequency of this in Al-Tajdid, click on the following URLs and then search (command-f on a mac) for spacebar waaw spacebar, and the standalone wa-s will be highlighted. Then hit command-f again and this time type just spacebar waaw and you will see all the other attached wa-s.</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.attajdid.ma/index.php?info=4851" target="_blank">http://www.attajdid.ma/index.php?info=4851</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>(this one has quite a few standalones if you scroll down to the bottom of the article)</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.attajdid.ma/index.php?info=4849" target="_blank">http://www.attajdid.ma/index.php?info=4849</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>(this one has none)</div><div><br></div><div>
<a href="http://www.attajdid.ma/index.php?info=4878" target="_blank">http://www.attajdid.ma/index.php?info=4878</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>(this one seems typical)</div><div><br></div><div>dil</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div>--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>End of Arabic-L: 08 Mar 2013<br>
</div></div></div>