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<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">1)</span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Date: </span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">20 Dec 2013</span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">From: </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Manuel Feria <<a href="mailto:mferia@gmail.com" target="_blank">mferia@gmail.com</a>></span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Subject: </span><font face="arial, sans-serif">Root and Pattern Introduction Response</font><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Dear Michael,</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">For me, this concept is so essential that I should be introduced the very</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">first day. Obviously, there will be a long long way to go for the</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">student before understanding the whole system... but, what´s the point in</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">not introducing a brief overview of the root-and-pattern system that will</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">give meaning to so many "family resemblances"?</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Salaam,</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Manuel Feria</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">University of Granada</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><a href="https://granada.academia.edu/ManuelFeriaGarc%C3%ADa" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target="_blank">https://granada.academia.edu/ManuelFeriaGarcía</a><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
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</div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">2)</span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Date: </span>20 Dec 2013<br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">From: </span>Ahmed Hassan Khorshid <<a href="mailto:khorshid@aucegypt.edu" target="_blank">khorshid@aucegypt.edu</a>><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Subject: </span><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small">Root and Pattern Introduction Response</font><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
</div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Dear Michael,<br>There are two approaches to teaching roots and patterns, or actually any<br>
syntactic or morphological system. These are the deductive and inductive<br>methods.<br><br>*The deductive approach*: you start with the rules and go to applications.<br>Since students haven't had much application, starting with the rule would,<br>
most probably, be too early.<br><br>*The inductive approach:* is the reverse; you start with applications and<br>when your students have had a "fair exposure" to the system/rule in<br>question you explain the rules for broader understanding and<br>
generalization. When you are explaining the rule, you students KNOW what<br>you are talking about. Here, it's a matter of what is "fair exposure", (not<br>TIME as in your question).<br><br>*In the field of TAFL* you don't really have choice. You must follow the<br>
first approach. This is because you don't have material that focus on a<br>certain topic. Proponents of "authenticity" have always claimed that you<br>could find authentic material that serve this purpose. Personally, I<br>
haven't found such material yet.<br><br>salaam<br></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
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</div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">3)</span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Date: </span>20 Dec 2013<br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">From: </span>Alexander Magidow <<a href="mailto:amagidow@gmail.com" target="_blank">amagidow@gmail.com</a>><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Subject: </span><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small">Root and Pattern Introduction Response</font><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
</div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small"><br></font></div><div>Salamaat,<br><br>I personally feel that it's worth introducing the idea as soon as you have enough exemplars that the students can start (with help) to see a pattern. As in curricula like the AK 3rd edition curriculum, you'll probably have a lot of fa3iil-type adjectives early on, and this is a good first exposure to the idea of awzaan - students can quickly recognize that all the examples of this pattern have a type of 'rhyme', and that they are all similar in that they are generally adjectives.<br>
<br>I've found it somewhat difficult to get across the notion of the interlocking relationship between roots and patterns, so I devised a very hands on drill, though I'm still developing it. I used this drill right after the students learned about the verbal patterns I, II, III and V in Al-Kitaab:<br>
<br>The basic idea is to for students to create a 'stencil' for each of these patterns which they can write any root into and have an instant 'key' to the pronunciation of that root+pattern combination. The goal is primarily for the students to grasp the distinction between the two components of an Arabic word.<br>
<br>The stencils are made by writing the wazan with the root substituted by small boxes, something like the following for fusha form III present tense:<br><a href="http://tinypic.com/r/315mryv/5" target="_blank">http://tinypic.com/r/315mryv/5</a><br>
<br>You then cut out the boxes, and, with a sheet of paper behind the stencil, you can write in whatever root letters you want, giving you an instant pronunciation guide.<br><br>Once the students have made the stencils for all of the roots, I have them flip around in Hans Wehr, and find a good root- I steer them away from weak verbs - and use their stencils to quickly figure out how the verbs derived from that root would be pronounced. I have them 'collect' a number of verbs with full vowelling and a definition on another sheet of paper, and then we share them as a class. I try to point out some of the relationships between the verb forms if they found good examples for this. It's also a good introduction to using the dictionary.<br>
<br>The activity worked fairly well, and I think it got the idea across. The biggest problem was actually the stencil making process - some of the students were really slow with the scissors. The lesson is best for a 75 minute class period, or parts of two 50 minute periods.<br>
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<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">4)</span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Date: </span>20 Dec 2013<br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">From: </span>Andrea Facchin <<a href="mailto:andfacchin@gmail.com" target="_blank">andfacchin@gmail.com</a>><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Subject: </span><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small">Root and Pattern Introduction Response</font><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"></div></div><div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small"><br></font></div><div>Dear M. Ibrahim,<br>I prefere introducing the root and pattern system at the very early stage:<br>that is soon after the end of the alphabet.<br>
Anyway it is my personal opinion. Does anyone know articles concerning this<br>topic?<br>Many thanks<br>Best<br>Andrea Facchin<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
</div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">5)</span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Date: </span>20 Dec 2013<br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">From: </span>Melanie Magidow <<a href="mailto:melaniemagidow@gmail.com" target="_blank">melaniemagidow@gmail.com</a>><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Subject: </span><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small">Root and Pattern Introduction Response</font><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
</div></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Hi Michael,<br><br>In my experience, it helps to start mentioning the terms jidhr and wazn as soon as the students have enough letters and vocabulary to begin recognizing relationships between words. Usually the first example I use is kitaab and maktab. I just introduce the concept as a key concept for learning Arabic in order to give students a sense of what they will learn later. I applaud them for having reached the stage in their knowledge of letters to be able to begin seeing these patterns. I follow the lead of the textbook that I use, Alif Baa (3rd ed.), and my classes benefit from its organic, gradual introduction of the root and pattern system. I do not hold students responsible for the information until we move into Al-Kitaab. By then, the students are well prepared to grasp the concepts.<br>
<br>Best Wishes,<br><br>Melanie A. Magidow<br>Independent Scholar and Adjunct of Arabic Language & Culture<br>The University of Rhode Island<br>email: <a href="mailto:melaniemagidow@gmail.com" target="_blank">melaniemagidow@gmail.com</a><br>
website: <a href="http://melaniemagidow.com/" target="_blank">melaniemagidow.com</a><br></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br></div><div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
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<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">From: </span>Suad Mohamed <<a href="mailto:adanhelwah@gmail.com" target="_blank">adanhelwah@gmail.com</a>><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Subject: </span><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small">Root and Pattern Introduction Response</font><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
</div></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">I used to follow the text books I teach to introduce the concept of Root<br>
system and usually after 3 or 4 terms but last semester I found my students<br>with curiosity and eagerness to explore the language . I taught them the<br>root system without getting into details of Awzan at the end of alif Baa<br>
book.. They were very responsive and more appreciative of the logic of<br>Arabic language. I believe it is easier and more useful if we begin<br>teaching them early in the process...<br><br>Suad Mohamed<br>Lecturer of Arabic language and culture<br>
MESALC<br>University of Virginia<br></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br></div></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
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