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<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">1)</span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Date: </span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">23 May 2014</span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">From: </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Zaki Haidar <<a href="mailto:zaki.haidar@gmail.com" target="_blank">zaki.haidar@gmail.com</a>></span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
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<br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">فَـ seems like the obvious candidate.<br></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
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<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">From: </span><span name="Jon Forsyth" style="font-size:13px">Jon Forsyth</span><span style="white-space:nowrap"> </span><span style="white-space:nowrap"><span><</span><a href="mailto:jon4syth@gmail.com" target="_blank">jon4syth@gmail.com</a><span>></span></span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
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<div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><div>The most comprehensive research on discourse connectives that I have found was done my Amal AlSaif. She compiled a comprehensive list of discourse connectives. Details are in her Phd Thesis:</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/3129/" target="_blank">http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/3129/</a></div><div><br></div><div>See the appendix D for a list of discourse connective types and their semantic categories. I don't see الآن on her list, but perhaps there is a functional equivalent.</div>
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<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Date: </span>23 May 2014<br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">From: </span>Zainab Hermes <<a href="mailto:zainabhermes@yahoo.com" target="_blank">zainabhermes@yahoo.com</a>><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
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Hello!<br>I believe the Levantine هلّأ (meaning now) can be used in a similar manner as described for English 'now' above. For example:<br>هلأ ما باعرِف إذا كان هالحكي مظبوك، بس هو هيك قاللي <br>(now I don't know whether this is correct, but that's what he told me).<br>
Zainab Hermes<br>PhD Student of Linguistics<br>University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign<br></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
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<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">From: </span>Magda <<a href="mailto:msiekert5@yahoo.com" target="_blank">msiekert5@yahoo.com</a>><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Subject: </span><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small">now' query response</font><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
</div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Here are my 2 cents' worth on your 2 q's - I am sure others will have more to say:<br>
<br>1. I can't think of examples in Arabic where الآن is used as a discourse marker the way 'now ' is used in the examples you cited.<br>2. Drawing on your 3 ex., I think in ex. 1, we could use أما ...and in ex. 3, we could use وفي الواقع or بصراحة. To me, ex. 2 wouldn't use any: دعني أفكر could stand alone.<br>
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<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">From: </span>Afra Al-Mussawir <<a href="mailto:afraalmussawir@yahoo.com" target="_blank">afraalmussawir@yahoo.com</a>><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Subject: </span><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small">now' query response</font><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
</div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small"><br></font></div><div>I cannot think of any examples where الآن serves a similar pragmatic function as 'now' in English<br><br>As for other Arabic words that serve this function, I'd like to suggest "-ف" and "طيّب". Those two were the first to come to mind, though I might think of others given time. "ف" is often translated as "so," but I think it may sometimes be translated as "now" to good effect in the function you describe. Do you have any thoughts about these two suggestions?<br>
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<span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">Date: </span>23 May 2014<br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">From: </span><span name="Michael Schub" style="font-size:13px">Michael Schub</span><span style="white-space:nowrap"> </span><span style="white-space:nowrap"><span><</span><a href="mailto:m7schub@gmail.com" target="_blank">m7schub@gmail.com</a><span>></span></span><br style="font-size:13.333333969116211px">
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</font></div><div>Is /ya`nii/ too obvious? Best wishes,<div>Mike Schub</div></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:small"><br></font></div></div></div></div><div></div></div></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
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