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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Oops! Sorry for the missent message, Joyce and all! L.<BR>
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On 02/12/09 10:34 AM, "Leslie Saxon" <<a href="saxon@uvic.ca">saxon@uvic.ca</a>> wrote:<BR>
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On 02/12/09 9:48 AM, "Joyce McDonough" <<a href="jmmcd@LING.ROCHESTER.EDU">jmmcd@LING.ROCHESTER.EDU</a>> wrote:<BR>
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In a recent paper in Journal of Phonetics, we referred to this class as<BR>
a class of 'stops', defined it once as the stops and affricates. It got<BR>
by the reviewers just fine.<BR>
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McDonough, J. and V. Wood (2008). "The stop contrasts of the Athabaskan<BR>
languages." Journal of Phonetics Issue 3, Pages 423-536.<BR>
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Joyce McDonough<BR>
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James Crippen wrote:<BR>
> As far as I understand things, in all the Athabaskan languages the<BR>
> series of (oral) stops and affricates together form a natural class of<BR>
> consonants. Certainly this is true in Tlingit, where affricates behave<BR>
> like stops phonologically. (Phonetically they are quite different, of<BR>
> course.) The annoying thing is that I have to keep writing clumsy<BR>
> phrases like "all unaspirated stops and affricates", or "all ejective<BR>
> stops and affricates". Is there a term which unites both classes under<BR>
> a single umbrella? Something like "obstruent" but excluding<BR>
> fricatives? Saying "non-fricative obstruents" is even worse than<BR>
> "stops and affricates". I have asked all of my local phonologists,<BR>
> even the historical linguists, but none could think of such a term.<BR>
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> Thanks,<BR>
> James<BR>
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