Question about flucalc in bilingual samples

Shelley Brundage brundage at gwu.edu
Wed Apr 4 16:56:52 EDT 2018


hi Brian,
One more question related to KIDEVAL, which I am also trying to use
The totals for FREQ Tokens in KIDEVAL do not match the FREQ total tokens.
Is this because KIDEVAL works off the MOR line and FREQ off the main line?



On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 4:49 PM, Brian MacWhinney <macw at cmu.edu> wrote:

> Shelley,
>
> Yes, FREQ counts all words.  If you want FREQ to ignore the words in a
> second language, you can add -s"*@s".  However, for FluCalc, it would seem
> to me that excluding a single word from the other language would skew the
> analysis.  Of course, it makes sense to exclude whole utterances in the
> other language that are marked with codes like [- spa] and Leonid agrees
> that it makes sense to add this facility to FluCalc.
>
> --Brian
>
> On Apr 4, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Shelley Brundage <brundage at gwu.edu> wrote:
>
> hi Leonid,
> I have a follow up question
> I am getting the same number of words from FLUCALC and FREQ. so does that
> mean that freq doesn't distinguish words of one language, either?
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Shelley,
>>
>> 1. at this time FLUCALC does not distinguish between words of one
>> language versus another. FLUCALC considers all text as one.
>>
>> 2. means that there were no bullets in a file from which total time value
>> could be computed. If you files does have bullets, then please email it to
>> me for testing.
>>
>>
>> Leonid.
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 16:15, Shelley Brundage <brundage at gwu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> hello Chibolts,
>> I am analyzing some data from bilingual children. The CHAT files have
>> both English and Spanish words in them. In the Spanish files, the English
>> words have been tagged with "@s". I have two questions about running
>> flucalc for Spanish:
>>
>> 1. the MOR words output in the flucalc spreadsheet seems to be counting
>> both Spanish and English words in the samples, rather than just the Spanish
>> ones. I thought that tagging the English words in the Spanish files meant
>> that they would be ignored in Spanish counts, but that does not appear to
>> have happened (I cross-checked word count with FREQ). Is there a way to
>> count just the Spanish words for flucalc?
>>
>> 2. In some instances the flucalc output says that words per minute is
>> N/A. Does this mean that there were not enough utterances to calculate WPM?
>> if so, what is the necessary number of utterances for this?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Shelley
>>
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