From cpaudisio at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 14:13:43 2020
From: cpaudisio at gmail.com (Cynthia Audisio)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 11:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: gemfreq type/token counts ratios
Message-ID: <65a859f6-26e9-487f-9246-761b46de9bb3o@googlegroups.com>

Hello Chibolts,

I've got a group of files, each of them's got several "gems" with play 
situations. Is it possible to get separate type/token totals and ratios for 
each of the gems in a file ?
This is how the file looks:

.
.
@Bg:    play1
.
.
.
@Eg:    play1
.
.
.
.
@Bg:    play2
.
.
.
@Eg:    play2
.
.

and what I need is individual type/token counts and ratio for each play 
situation (play 1, play 2, etc). Up to now I've run gemfreq which yields a 
freq list (not total number of type/token and type/token ratio, which is 
what i need).
Thanks,

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul  2 16:05:28 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 16:05:28 -0400
Subject: gemfreq type/token counts ratios
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Cynthia,

	First I need to get more information from you. Do your data files have an @ID: headers? Do you want to get type/token and type/token ratio for speaker words or for morphological analysis words or for lemmas? Do you want the output in plain readable text format or in Excel format? Different answers to those questions will require different commands to get the exact result that you want.

Please allow me to explain the reason for my second question. For example, if you have the following sentence:

*MOT: you can't put it on the table and table it.

If you run FREQ on speaker words, then you will get result:

  1 and
  1 can't
  2 it
  1 on
  1 put
  2 table
  1 the
  1 you
------------------------------
    8  Total number of different item types used
   10  Total number of items (tokens)
0.800  Type/Token ratio

If you run FREQ on morphological analysis words, then you will get result:

  1 coord|and
  1 det:art|the
  1 mod|can
  1 neg|not
  1 n|table
  1 prep|on
  2 pro:per|it
  1 pro:per|you
  1 v|put&ZERO
  1 v|table
------------------------------
   10  Total number of different item types used
   11  Total number of items (tokens)
0.909  Type/Token ratio

If you run FREQ on lemmas, then you will get result:

  1 and
  1 can
  2 it
  1 not
  1 on
  1 put
  2 table
  1 the
  1 you
------------------------------
    9  Total number of different item types used
   11  Total number of items (tokens)
0.818  Type/Token ratio



Leonid.

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 14:13, Cynthia Audisio <cpaudisio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Chibolts,
> 
> I've got a group of files, each of them's got several "gems" with play situations. Is it possible to get separate type/token totals and ratios for each of the gems in a file ?
> This is how the file looks:
> 
> .
> .
> @Bg:    play1
> .
> .
> .
> @Eg:    play1
> .
> .
> .
> .
> @Bg:    play2
> .
> .
> .
> @Eg:    play2
> .
> .
> 
> and what I need is individual type/token counts and ratio for each play situation (play 1, play 2, etc). Up to now I've run gemfreq which yields a freq list (not total number of type/token and type/token ratio, which is what i need).
> Thanks,
> 
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From cpaudisio at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 16:49:36 2020
From: cpaudisio at gmail.com (Cynthia Audisio)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 13:49:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: gemfreq type/token counts ratios
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Hello Leonid,

Our data have @ID: headers and we want to get type/token totals and ratio 
for *speaker words*. It would be of great help to get the output as a 
spreadsheet. Gemfreq does almost all the work. The only missing information 
is the one in blue in the following sample output:

>From file <........>
  3 tiers in gem "disputa_1":
      1 abuela
      2 dije
      1 duele
      1 eso
      1 heladito
      1 idea
      2 la
      2 mamá
      1 me
------------------------------
    9  Total number of different item types used
   11  Total number of items (tokens)
0.818  Type/Token ratio

>From file <........>
  4 tiers in gem "disputa_2":
      3 no
      1 porque
      1 sí
      2 tenía
      1 un
      1 yo
------------------------------
    9  Total number of different item types used
   11  Total number of items (tokens)
0.818  Type/Token ratio


etc.





El jueves, 2 de julio de 2020, 17:05:33 (UTC-3), Leonid Spektor escribió:
>
> Cynthia,
>
> First I need to get more information from you. Do your data files have an 
> @ID: headers? Do you want to get type/token and type/token ratio for 
> speaker words or for morphological analysis words or for lemmas? Do you 
> want the output in plain readable text format or in Excel format? Different 
> answers to those questions will require different commands to get the exact 
> result that you want.
>
> Please allow me to explain the reason for my second question. For example, 
> if you have the following sentence:
>
> *MOT: you can't put it on the table and table it.
>
> If you run FREQ on speaker words, then you will get result:
>
>   1 and
>   1 can't
>   2 it
>   1 on
>   1 put
>   2 table
>   1 the
>   1 you
> ------------------------------
>     8  Total number of different item types used
>    10  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.800  Type/Token ratio
>
> If you run FREQ on morphological analysis words, then you will get result:
>
>   1 coord|and
>   1 det:art|the
>   1 mod|can
>   1 neg|not
>   1 n|table
>   1 prep|on
>   2 pro:per|it
>   1 pro:per|you
>   1 v|put&ZERO
>   1 v|table
> ------------------------------
>    10  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.909  Type/Token ratio
>
> If you run FREQ on lemmas, then you will get result:
>
>   1 and
>   1 can
>   2 it
>   1 not
>   1 on
>   1 put
>   2 table
>   1 the
>   1 you
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
>
>
>
> Leonid. 
>
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 14:13, Cynthia Audisio <cpau... at gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Chibolts,
>
> I've got a group of files, each of them's got several "gems" with play 
> situations. Is it possible to get separate type/token totals and ratios for 
> each of the gems in a file ?
> This is how the file looks:
>
> .
> .
> @Bg:    play1
> .
> .
> .
> @Eg:    play1
> .
> .
> .
> .
> @Bg:    play2
> .
> .
> .
> @Eg:    play2
> .
> .
>
> and what I need is individual type/token counts and ratio for each play 
> situation (play 1, play 2, etc). Up to now I've run gemfreq which yields a 
> freq list (not total number of type/token and type/token ratio, which is 
> what i need).
> Thanks,
>
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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul  2 17:17:34 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:17:34 -0400
Subject: gemfreq type/token counts ratios
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Cynthia,

	I would suggets the following commands to extract the right gems from your data files:

gem +d +t at ID +sdisputa_1 +fdisputa_1 filenames.cha
gem +d +t at ID +sdisputa_2 +fdisputa_2 filenames.cha
 etc...

Next run freq +d3 *.disputa*.cex on resulting GEM output files. The Excel output will be called stat.frq.xls.

Leonid.

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 16:49, Cynthia Audisio <cpaudisio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Leonid,
> 
> Our data have @ID: headers and we want to get type/token totals and ratio for *speaker words*. It would be of great help to get the output as a spreadsheet. Gemfreq does almost all the work. The only missing information is the one in blue in the following sample output:
> 
> From file <........>
>   3 tiers in gem "disputa_1":
>       1 abuela
>       2 dije
>       1 duele
>       1 eso
>       1 heladito
>       1 idea
>       2 la
>       2 mamá
>       1 me
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
> 
> From file <........>
>   4 tiers in gem "disputa_2":
>       3 no
>       1 porque
>       1 sí
>       2 tenía
>       1 un
>       1 yo
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
> 
> 
> etc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El jueves, 2 de julio de 2020, 17:05:33 (UTC-3), Leonid Spektor escribió:
> Cynthia,
> 
> 	First I need to get more information from you. Do your data files have an @ID: headers? Do you want to get type/token and type/token ratio for speaker words or for morphological analysis words or for lemmas? Do you want the output in plain readable text format or in Excel format? Different answers to those questions will require different commands to get the exact result that you want.
> 
> Please allow me to explain the reason for my second question. For example, if you have the following sentence:
> 
> *MOT: you can't put it on the table and table it.
> 
> If you run FREQ on speaker words, then you will get result:
> 
>   1 and
>   1 can't
>   2 it
>   1 on
>   1 put
>   2 table
>   1 the
>   1 you
> ------------------------------
>     8  Total number of different item types used
>    10  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.800  Type/Token ratio
> 
> If you run FREQ on morphological analysis words, then you will get result:
> 
>   1 coord|and
>   1 det:art|the
>   1 mod|can
>   1 neg|not
>   1 n|table
>   1 prep|on
>   2 pro:per|it
>   1 pro:per|you
>   1 v|put&ZERO
>   1 v|table
> ------------------------------
>    10  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.909  Type/Token ratio
> 
> If you run FREQ on lemmas, then you will get result:
> 
>   1 and
>   1 can
>   2 it
>   1 not
>   1 on
>   1 put
>   2 table
>   1 the
>   1 you
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
> 
> 
> 
> Leonid.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 14:13, Cynthia Audisio <cpau... at gmail.com <>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Chibolts,
>> 
>> I've got a group of files, each of them's got several "gems" with play situations. Is it possible to get separate type/token totals and ratios for each of the gems in a file ?
>> This is how the file looks:
>> 
>> .
>> .
>> @Bg:    play1
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Eg:    play1
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Bg:    play2
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Eg:    play2
>> .
>> .
>> 
>> and what I need is individual type/token counts and ratio for each play situation (play 1, play 2, etc). Up to now I've run gemfreq which yields a freq list (not total number of type/token and type/token ratio, which is what i need).
>> Thanks,
>> 
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From cpaudisio at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 17:20:27 2020
From: cpaudisio at gmail.com (Cynthia)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 18:20:27 -0300
Subject: gemfreq type/token counts ratios
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I'll try that. Thank you!

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, 18:17 Leonid Spektor, <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

> Cynthia,
>
> I would suggets the following commands to extract the right gems from your
> data files:
>
> gem +d +t at ID +sdisputa_1 +fdisputa_1 filenames.cha
> gem +d +t at ID +sdisputa_2 +fdisputa_2 filenames.cha
>  etc...
>
> Next run freq +d3 *.disputa*.cex on resulting GEM output files. The Excel
> output will be called stat.frq.xls.
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 16:49, Cynthia Audisio <cpaudisio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Leonid,
>
> Our data have @ID: headers and we want to get type/token totals and ratio
> for *speaker words*. It would be of great help to get the output as a
> spreadsheet. Gemfreq does almost all the work. The only missing information
> is the one in blue in the following sample output:
>
> From file <........>
>   3 tiers in gem "disputa_1":
>       1 abuela
>       2 dije
>       1 duele
>       1 eso
>       1 heladito
>       1 idea
>       2 la
>       2 mamá
>       1 me
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
>
> From file <........>
>   4 tiers in gem "disputa_2":
>       3 no
>       1 porque
>       1 sí
>       2 tenía
>       1 un
>       1 yo
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
>
>
> etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> El jueves, 2 de julio de 2020, 17:05:33 (UTC-3), Leonid Spektor escribió:
>>
>> Cynthia,
>>
>> First I need to get more information from you. Do your data files have an
>> @ID: headers? Do you want to get type/token and type/token ratio for
>> speaker words or for morphological analysis words or for lemmas? Do you
>> want the output in plain readable text format or in Excel format? Different
>> answers to those questions will require different commands to get the exact
>> result that you want.
>>
>> Please allow me to explain the reason for my second question. For
>> example, if you have the following sentence:
>>
>> *MOT: you can't put it on the table and table it.
>>
>> If you run FREQ on speaker words, then you will get result:
>>
>>   1 and
>>   1 can't
>>   2 it
>>   1 on
>>   1 put
>>   2 table
>>   1 the
>>   1 you
>> ------------------------------
>>     8  Total number of different item types used
>>    10  Total number of items (tokens)
>> 0.800  Type/Token ratio
>>
>> If you run FREQ on morphological analysis words, then you will get
>> result:
>>
>>   1 coord|and
>>   1 det:art|the
>>   1 mod|can
>>   1 neg|not
>>   1 n|table
>>   1 prep|on
>>   2 pro:per|it
>>   1 pro:per|you
>>   1 v|put&ZERO
>>   1 v|table
>> ------------------------------
>>    10  Total number of different item types used
>>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
>> 0.909  Type/Token ratio
>>
>> If you run FREQ on lemmas, then you will get result:
>>
>>   1 and
>>   1 can
>>   2 it
>>   1 not
>>   1 on
>>   1 put
>>   2 table
>>   1 the
>>   1 you
>> ------------------------------
>>     9  Total number of different item types used
>>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
>> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
>>
>>
>>
>> Leonid.
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 14:13, Cynthia Audisio <cpau... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Chibolts,
>>
>> I've got a group of files, each of them's got several "gems" with play
>> situations. Is it possible to get separate type/token totals and ratios for
>> each of the gems in a file ?
>> This is how the file looks:
>>
>> .
>> .
>> @Bg:    play1
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Eg:    play1
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Bg:    play2
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Eg:    play2
>> .
>> .
>>
>> and what I need is individual type/token counts and ratio for each play
>> situation (play 1, play 2, etc). Up to now I've run gemfreq which yields a
>> freq list (not total number of type/token and type/token ratio, which is
>> what i need).
>> Thanks,
>>
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From macw at andrew.cmu.edu  Wed Jul  8 15:36:34 2020
From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:36:34 -0400
Subject: Is there a MOR program for Korean?
In-Reply-To: <66FD2D0C-DB29-4FC0-A70E-3D2C7D78C743@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Dear Linda,

As Leonid noted, yes, we do have an initial attempt at a grammar.  I have added a link to it on the https;//talkbank.org/morgrams page.  Looking at the simplicity of the cr rules in comparison to the known complexity of Korean morphology, I hadn't considered it ready for distribution.  However, if you are willing to give it a try and perhaps develop it further, that would be great.  Somewhat naively, I have also wondered whether making reference to some of the methods in the Japanese MOR grammar might help in the development of the Korean MOR.

We try to use the chibolts at googlegroups.com list for messages about the nuts and bolts of CHILDES programs, so I am posting my answer to your question over there instead of info-childes which is for more general issues about child language.

-- Brian MacWhinney


> On Jul 8, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi Linda,
> 
> 	We seems to have a MOR grammar for Korean in our git repository. I don't know how far developed it is. This grammar is not listed on our MOR grammars web site page https://talkbank.org/morgrams/ <https://talkbank.org/morgrams/>, so it might not be ready for release yet. I am hopping that Brian MacWhinney, who is in charge of MOR grammars, will shed more light on this.
> 
> 
> Leonid.
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 13:45, Linda Cote-Reilly <linda.cote.reilly at gmail.com <mailto:linda.cote.reilly at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Is there a MOR program for Korean?  Or one in development?
>> Best regards,
>> Linda
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From brielle.stark at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 10:01:54 2020
From: brielle.stark at gmail.com (brielle.stark)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:01:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Freq counts of fragments & false starts
Message-ID: <e34ab7d6-5895-4cfb-a823-9b9eb9e1d894n@googlegroups.com>

Hi!

I'd like to get a raw count of fragments and false starts, rather than each 
instance of it.

My thought was to use: *freq +s&* -s&=**

But, doing so gets me every instance of &word, and then I'd have to perform 
a count myself across columns. If this is the best way, that's not a 
problem, but I wanted to see if there was a way to just get a raw number of 
times the & or the &- was used in a transcript. 

Best,

Brie

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 14 10:11:55 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:11:55 -0400
Subject: Freq counts of fragments & false starts
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Hi,

	If I understand you correctly, then try this command:

freq +s&% +s&-% -s&=*


Leonid.

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 10:01, brielle.stark <brielle.stark at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I'd like to get a raw count of fragments and false starts, rather than each instance of it.
> 
> My thought was to use: freq +s&* -s&=*
> 
> But, doing so gets me every instance of &word, and then I'd have to perform a count myself across columns. If this is the best way, that's not a problem, but I wanted to see if there was a way to just get a raw number of times the & or the &- was used in a transcript. 
> 
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> 
> Brie
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From ingridwillenberg at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 21:09:43 2020
From: ingridwillenberg at gmail.com (Ingrid Willenberg)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:09:43 +1000
Subject: ID headers
Message-ID: <CAFhboLFP+2tsnUCCb5UsqAcsRSqNdJouQ8rUMbF6o+mxhgYQgg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Leonid and Brian

I have to reformat the headers in my files to enable me to generate output
to excel.

The current headers look like this:

1     @Begin

2     @Languages:        eng

3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS
observer_Ana_Maria_Pinter


After adding information to the ID header tier in CLAN, it adds two
additional ID headers. Is there something I'm doing wrong?

1     @Begin

2     @Languages:        eng

3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS , CHO Child , TO Other

4     @ID:         eng|Mages|CHI*||female|TD|WC|Target_Child||020304s|

5     @ID:         eng|change_corpus_later|OBS||||||||


Thanks in advance

*Kind regards,*



*Ingrid*

*Dr Ingrid A. Willenberg*

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From macw at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 14 21:50:25 2020
From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 21:50:25 -0400
Subject: ID headers
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Dear Ingrid,
    I can't quite follow what happened in this case.  However, what may be happening is that, when you type escape-L to run CHECK on the file, it will automatically insert @ID lines if they are not already there.  It does this based on information in the @Participants line.  Is it possible that this is what happened.  If so, isn't this really helpful?  You do need to have @ID lines.  
    Alternatively you may be describing a situation in which you ended up with too many @ID lines, but I can't figure that out from what you give here.

--Brian MacWhinney


> On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ingrid Willenberg <ingridwillenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Leonid and Brian
> 
> I have to reformat the headers in my files to enable me to generate output to excel.
> 
> The current headers look like this:
>  <>1     @Begin
> 2     @Languages:        eng
> 3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS observer_Ana_Maria_Pinter
> 
> 
> After adding information to the ID header tier in CLAN, it adds two additional ID headers. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
> 
> 1     @Begin
> 2     @Languages:        eng
> 3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS , CHO Child , TO Other
> 4     @ID:         eng|Mages|CHI*||female|TD|WC|Target_Child||020304s|
> 5     @ID:         eng|change_corpus_later|OBS||||||||
> 
> Thanks in advance 
> 
> Kind regards,
>  
> Ingrid
> Dr Ingrid A. Willenberg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 14 23:35:31 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:35:31 -0400
Subject: ID headers
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Ingrid,

	If you have been adding ID tiers by hand, then may I suggest that you use the "Tiers->ID headers" menu to change or add new speaker information. This function will change both @Participants: and @ID: tiers and will make sure that all data will pass CHECK.

	I am not sure how you could have gotten from "the current headers look" to the "After adding information to the ID header" look as you show in your email. There is no automatic way in any of our programs that I know can do that. For example, the OBS speaker information in @Participants: tier is very different between before and after example.

If you could describe steps you have taken to make the change and even better email to me directly the before file, so that I can try to replicate what happened, then it would help a lot to figure out what could have happened.


Leonid.

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 21:09, Ingrid Willenberg <ingridwillenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Leonid and Brian
> 
> I have to reformat the headers in my files to enable me to generate output to excel.
> 
> The current headers look like this:
>  <>1     @Begin
> 2     @Languages:        eng
> 3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS observer_Ana_Maria_Pinter
> 
> 
> After adding information to the ID header tier in CLAN, it adds two additional ID headers. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
> 
> 1     @Begin
> 2     @Languages:        eng
> 3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS , CHO Child , TO Other
> 4     @ID:         eng|Mages|CHI*||female|TD|WC|Target_Child||020304s|
> 5     @ID:         eng|change_corpus_later|OBS||||||||
> 
> Thanks in advance 
> 
> Kind regards,
>  
> Ingrid
> Dr Ingrid A. Willenberg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mdepascale at wesleyan.edu  Thu Jul 16 13:19:12 2020
From: mdepascale at wesleyan.edu (Mary DePascale)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:19:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: freq of question marks for only coded utterances
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Hi,

I have transcripts that I have coded for use of different types of math 
talk with a coding tier %mth. I am interested in looking at, of the 
utterances that have been coded with a %mth code, the number of those that 
end in a question mark. 

I had tried using freq with: freq +t%mth +t*CHI +s$ +s"?" +d2, however this 
only gives the total number of total utterances coded with %mth. I have 
also seen how to get the number of all utterances that end with a question 
mark, but not specifically for those that are/are not coded.

For example:

*FAT: how much ten plus ten? 
%mth: $AR:P
*CHI: um: eleven?
%mth: $AR:R
*FAT: 0.
%act: shakes head no. 
*CHI: what?
*FAT: how much ten plus ten? 
%mth: $AR:P

Here, the child asks 2 questions ("um eleven?" and "what?", but only 1 
question that is a question also coded with a %mth code. How can I get CLAN 
to return the value of 1 then in this case?

Thanks,
Mary

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul 16 14:02:27 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:02:27 -0400
Subject: freq of question marks for only coded utterances
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Hi,

	This has to be doen in two steps. First extract all speakers with %mth and then extract all speakers without %mth. Next run FREQ on result.

Here is how to count all ? *CHI: speakers with %mth:
combo +o at ID +t%mth +t*CHI +s%mth: +fmth +d your_file_name.cha
freq +s? *.mth.cex

Here is how to count all ? *CHI: speakers without %mth:
combo +o at ID +t%mth +t*CHI +s!%mth: +f-mth +d your_file_name.cha
freq +s? *.-mth.cex



Leonid.

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 13:19, Mary DePascale <mdepascale at wesleyan.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have transcripts that I have coded for use of different types of math talk with a coding tier %mth. I am interested in looking at, of the utterances that have been coded with a %mth code, the number of those that end in a question mark. 
> 
> I had tried using freq with: freq +t%mth +t*CHI +s$ +s"?" +d2, however this only gives the total number of total utterances coded with %mth. I have also seen how to get the number of all utterances that end with a question mark, but not specifically for those that are/are not coded.
> 
> For example:
> 
> *FAT:	how much ten plus ten? 
> %mth:	$AR:P
> *CHI:	um: eleven?
> %mth:	$AR:R
> *FAT:	0.
> %act:	shakes head no. 
> *CHI:	what?
> *FAT:	how much ten plus ten? 
> %mth:	$AR:P
> 
> Here, the child asks 2 questions ("um eleven?" and "what?", but only 1 question that is a question also coded with a %mth code. How can I get CLAN to return the value of 1 then in this case?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mary
> 
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From mppaolantonio at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 23:14:25 2020
From: mppaolantonio at gmail.com (Mppaolantonio Paolantonio)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:14:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: use of just a part of a video for calculations
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Is there a way to calculate FREQ or MLU in a 5 minutes segment from a video 
transcription of 10 minutes long?

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Fri Jul 17 00:05:23 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:05:23 -0400
Subject: use of just a part of a video for calculations
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	I can't think of any way to do it. Maybe someone else can. The problem is that timing information on each utterance covers the whole utterance, so if 5 minutes falls in the middle of the utterance there is no way to identify exactly 5 minutes worth of words.


Leonid.

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 23:14, Mppaolantonio Paolantonio <mppaolantonio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to calculate FREQ or MLU in a 5 minutes segment from a video transcription of 10 minutes long?
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From mppaolantonio at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 01:29:20 2020
From: mppaolantonio at gmail.com (Mppaolantonio Paolantonio)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:29:20 -0300
Subject: use of just a part of a video for calculations
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I thought so. Thanks anyway!

El vie., 17 de jul. de 2020 01:05, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
escribió:

> I can't think of any way to do it. Maybe someone else can. The problem is
> that timing information on each utterance covers the whole utterance, so if
> 5 minutes falls in the middle of the utterance there is no way to identify
> exactly 5 minutes worth of words.
>
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jul 16, 2020, at 23:14, Mppaolantonio Paolantonio <
> mppaolantonio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there a way to calculate FREQ or MLU in a 5 minutes segment from a
> video transcription of 10 minutes long?
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From jgarbari at umd.edu  Tue Jul 21 13:52:59 2020
From: jgarbari at umd.edu (jgar...@umd.edu)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:52:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Printout of utterances with postcodes and length in morphemes
Message-ID: <deb63f9d-7b8d-4725-8176-183c912d8b23n@googlegroups.com>

Hello,
We are starting to code transcripts for a new project. At the end of the 
project, I'd like to be able to create a spreadsheet containing:

-each of the child's utterances
-whether the utterance is a question (and this can be obtained from the 
printout of the utterance)
-all postcodes for the utterance
-length in morphemes of the utterance

If I just run kwal +t*CHI +d4, then I can get most of this information. I 
get a spreadsheet with all utterances including those not counted towards 
MLU, such as 0, xxx, and &=laughs. However, I cannot figure out how to get 
length in morphemes in a spreadsheet. Does anyone know if there is a way to 
do this?

Thank you,
Julianne Garbarino

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From crl2 at nyu.edu  Tue Jul 21 14:33:02 2020
From: crl2 at nyu.edu (Chiara Repetti-Ludlow)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problems with the audio play button
Message-ID: <b37bbeac-07cf-416b-9c0a-8d8400f2bd5bo@googlegroups.com>

Hi all,

Has anyone else been having problems with the audio play buttons on the 
CHILDES website? When there is audio linked to a transcript, many corpora 
have the additional benefit of including play buttons next to each 
utterance, which allow you to jump to that point in the recording. However, 
these buttons haven't been working for me for the past week. Any ideas as 
to how I might fix this problem?

Thank you!
Chiara

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From diego.david191 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 16:34:45 2020
From: diego.david191 at gmail.com (diego.d...@gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:34:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Errors Running %mor command
Message-ID: <6ffca504-e624-49a4-9fe3-48eb6a1ab445n@googlegroups.com>

Hello everyone,

I have been trying to run the %mor command, but I kept receiving error 
messages such as the following:[image: error1.jpg]

I went to the prepost.cut file, but I am clueless on what to do next. This 
is what that file is showing:
[image: error2.jpg]

Any suggestions to solve those issues?

Thank you!

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 21 17:29:31 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:29:31 -0400
Subject: Printout of utterances with postcodes and length in morphemes
In-Reply-To: <deb63f9d-7b8d-4725-8176-183c912d8b23n@googlegroups.com>
References: <deb63f9d-7b8d-4725-8176-183c912d8b23n@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <F01B5050-2C91-44CF-B907-08AC283182CD@andrew.cmu.edu>

Julianne,

	There is no way to get morphemes counts per utterance. MLU can create a spreadsheet that includes morphemes count per speaker per file.


Leonid.

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 13:52, jgar... at umd.edu <jgarbari at umd.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> We are starting to code transcripts for a new project. At the end of the project, I'd like to be able to create a spreadsheet containing:
> 
> -each of the child's utterances
> -whether the utterance is a question (and this can be obtained from the printout of the utterance)
> -all postcodes for the utterance
> -length in morphemes of the utterance
> 
> If I just run kwal +t*CHI +d4, then I can get most of this information. I get a spreadsheet with all utterances including those not counted towards MLU, such as 0, xxx, and &=laughs. However, I cannot figure out how to get length in morphemes in a spreadsheet. Does anyone know if there is a way to do this?
> 
> Thank you,
> Julianne Garbarino
> 
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From jgarbari at umd.edu  Tue Jul 21 17:55:39 2020
From: jgarbari at umd.edu (Julianne Garbarino)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:55:39 -0400
Subject: Printout of utterances with postcodes and length in morphemes
In-Reply-To: <F01B5050-2C91-44CF-B907-08AC283182CD@andrew.cmu.edu>
References: <deb63f9d-7b8d-4725-8176-183c912d8b23n@googlegroups.com>
 <F01B5050-2C91-44CF-B907-08AC283182CD@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Thank you, Leonid. That is helpful to know.

Best,
Julianne

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:29 PM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
wrote:

> Julianne,
>
> There is no way to get morphemes counts per utterance. MLU can create a
> spreadsheet that includes morphemes count per speaker per file.
>
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 13:52, jgar... at umd.edu <jgarbari at umd.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> We are starting to code transcripts for a new project. At the end of the
> project, I'd like to be able to create a spreadsheet containing:
>
> -each of the child's utterances
> -whether the utterance is a question (and this can be obtained from the
> printout of the utterance)
> -all postcodes for the utterance
> -length in morphemes of the utterance
>
> If I just run kwal +t*CHI +d4, then I can get most of this information. I
> get a spreadsheet with all utterances including those not counted towards
> MLU, such as 0, xxx, and &=laughs. However, I cannot figure out how to get
> length in morphemes in a spreadsheet. Does anyone know if there is a way to
> do this?
>
> Thank you,
> Julianne Garbarino
>
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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 21 18:11:22 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:11:22 -0400
Subject: Problems with the audio play button
In-Reply-To: <b37bbeac-07cf-416b-9c0a-8d8400f2bd5bo@googlegroups.com>
References: <b37bbeac-07cf-416b-9c0a-8d8400f2bd5bo@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <82FAAC5C-BF00-4BF4-8894-49FA2C469DF0@andrew.cmu.edu>

Chiara,

	We have notice this problem and we are working on fixing it.


Leonid.

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 14:33, Chiara Repetti-Ludlow <crl2 at nyu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Has anyone else been having problems with the audio play buttons on the CHILDES website? When there is audio linked to a transcript, many corpora have the additional benefit of including play buttons next to each utterance, which allow you to jump to that point in the recording. However, these buttons haven't been working for me for the past week. Any ideas as to how I might fix this problem?
> 
> Thank you!
> Chiara
> 
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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 21 18:19:15 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:19:15 -0400
Subject: Errors Running %mor command
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Hi,

	If you get the latest version of the app, then it should fix the problem.


Leonid.

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 16:34, diego.d... at gmail.com <diego.david191 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have been trying to run the %mor command, but I kept receiving error messages such as the following:
> 
> I went to the prepost.cut file, but I am clueless on what to do next. This is what that file is showing:
> 
> 
> Any suggestions to solve those issues?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
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From diego.david191 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 18:37:03 2020
From: diego.david191 at gmail.com (Diego Castillo)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:37:03 -0500
Subject: Errors Running %mor command
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That solved the problem, thank you so much!

Best,
*Diego Castillo López*, M.A
ESL/EFL Teacher / English-Spanish Translator
The University of Texas at San Antonio
Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/diego-castillo-lópez-7b00a6109
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:19 PM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If you get the latest version of the app, then it should fix the problem.
>
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 16:34, diego.d... at gmail.com <diego.david191 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have been trying to run the %mor command, but I kept receiving error
> messages such as the following:[image: error1.jpg]
>
> I went to the prepost.cut file, but I am clueless on what to do next. This
> is what that file is showing:
> [image: error2.jpg]
>
> Any suggestions to solve those issues?
>
> Thank you!
>
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From macw at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 21 19:23:53 2020
From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:23:53 -0400
Subject: Problems with the audio play button
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 <82FAAC5C-BF00-4BF4-8894-49FA2C469DF0@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Dear Chiara,

    This if fixed now.

--Brian MacWhinney

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Chiara,
> 
> 	We have notice this problem and we are working on fixing it.
> 
> 
> Leonid.
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 14:33, Chiara Repetti-Ludlow <crl2 at nyu.edu <mailto:crl2 at nyu.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Has anyone else been having problems with the audio play buttons on the CHILDES website? When there is audio linked to a transcript, many corpora have the additional benefit of including play buttons next to each utterance, which allow you to jump to that point in the recording. However, these buttons haven't been working for me for the past week. Any ideas as to how I might fix this problem?
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Chiara
>> 
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From crl2 at nyu.edu  Tue Jul 21 22:41:57 2020
From: crl2 at nyu.edu (Chiara Repetti-Ludlow)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:41:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problems with the audio play button
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Thank you all so much!

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 7:23:58 PM UTC-4, macw wrote:
>
> Dear Chiara,
>
>     This if fixed now.
>
> --Brian MacWhinney
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Leonid Spektor <spe... at andrew.cmu.edu 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> Chiara,
>
> We have notice this problem and we are working on fixing it.
>
>
> Leonid. 
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 14:33, Chiara Repetti-Ludlow <cr... at nyu.edu 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone else been having problems with the audio play buttons on the 
> CHILDES website? When there is audio linked to a transcript, many corpora 
> have the additional benefit of including play buttons next to each 
> utterance, which allow you to jump to that point in the recording. However, 
> these buttons haven't been working for me for the past week. Any ideas as 
> to how I might fix this problem?
>
> Thank you!
> Chiara
>
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From brielle.stark at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 09:32:30 2020
From: brielle.stark at gmail.com (brielle.stark)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 06:32:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: eval for parts of speech
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Hi there!

Is there any way for EVAL to calculate morphology (e.g., plurals, third 
person) as a proportion of their respective part of speech? For example, 
plurals are always nouns, so calculating them as a proportion of nouns; 
third person singular, etc, are verbs (or aux), so calculating them as 
such? Or is it up to us to get a raw number and then divide manually? 
Thanks! Wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Brie

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From macw at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul 23 09:47:32 2020
From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:47:32 -0400
Subject: eval for parts of speech
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Dear Brie,
    You could do this by taking the EVAL sheet into R or Excel, and then dividing the morpheme % by the part of speech %.  Both are percentages of total words, so that would cancel out.

--Brian MacWhinney

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:32 AM, brielle.stark <brielle.stark at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> Is there any way for EVAL to calculate morphology (e.g., plurals, third person) as a proportion of their respective part of speech? For example, plurals are always nouns, so calculating them as a proportion of nouns; third person singular, etc, are verbs (or aux), so calculating them as such? Or is it up to us to get a raw number and then divide manually? Thanks! Wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.
> 
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From jgarbari at umd.edu  Thu Jul 23 13:24:06 2020
From: jgarbari at umd.edu (jgar...@umd.edu)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: +xCN switch in KWAL
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Hello,
I was wondering if anyone could clarify how the +xCN switch in KWAL works. 
I was wondering if I could use this switch to produce only utterances with 
a certain morpheme length.

 It says under KWAL, in the manual and when I type kwal into the commands 
window:

+xCN: include only utterances which are C (>, <, =) than N items (w, c, m), 
"+x=0w" for zero words

I can't find a definition of what "w, c, m" means, but if the +x=0w is for 
0 words, then I thought maybe +x=1m could get me all of the 1 morpheme 
utterances, etc. However, when I run +x=1m it gives me all 1-word, not 
1-morpheme utterances. (The output for +x=1m and +x=1w are exactly the 
same.)

Is the "m" here supposed to be for morphemes? I can't seem to locate a 
definition. I do see that under TTR, it says "The only new element in this 
command is +sm;*o%. The +s option tells FREQ to search for and count 
certain strings. The m tells the program to look at the %mor line. The 
semicolon says to look at the stem and then the *,o% says to ignore 
everything else."

Thank you.

Julianne Garbarino

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul 23 16:07:09 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:07:09 -0400
Subject: +xCN switch in KWAL
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Julianne,

	You interpreted the +xCN option correctly, the 'm' does stand for morphemes. I have changed KWAL usage to make more clear. The other consideration is that the 'm' option will only work correctly if you have +%mor: tiers in your data files. Last this is that there was a problem with the way KWAL was counting morphemes on %mor tier and as the result it might have missed some utterances in the output.

I have fixed this and if you get new program from dali.talkbank.org/clan/ <https://dali.talkbank.org/clan/>, then the "+x=1m" and "+x=1w" options will produce different results, assume that speaker does actually use multi-morphemes words.

FREQ's "+sm;*,o%" option will interfere with "+xCN" option. If you want to use FREQ with "+sm;*,o%" option, then you should first use KWAL with "+x=1m +d +f" options, for example, and then run FREQ with "+sm;*o%" option on the output of KWAL.

Leonid.

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 13:24, jgar... at umd.edu <jgarbari at umd.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I was wondering if anyone could clarify how the +xCN switch in KWAL works. I was wondering if I could use this switch to produce only utterances with a certain morpheme length.
> 
>  It says under KWAL, in the manual and when I type kwal into the commands window:
> 
> +xCN: include only utterances which are C (>, <, =) than N items (w, c, m), "+x=0w" for zero words
> 
> I can't find a definition of what "w, c, m" means, but if the +x=0w is for 0 words, then I thought maybe +x=1m could get me all of the 1 morpheme utterances, etc. However, when I run +x=1m it gives me all 1-word, not 1-morpheme utterances. (The output for +x=1m and +x=1w are exactly the same.)
> 
> Is the "m" here supposed to be for morphemes? I can't seem to locate a definition. I do see that under TTR, it says "The only new element in this command is +sm;*o%. The +s option tells FREQ to search for and count certain strings. The m tells the program to look at the %mor line. The semicolon says to look at the stem and then the *,o% says to ignore everything else."
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Julianne Garbarino
> 
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From jgarbari at umd.edu  Thu Jul 23 19:40:29 2020
From: jgarbari at umd.edu (Julianne Garbarino)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:40:29 -0400
Subject: +xCN switch in KWAL
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Dear Leonid,
Thank you so much. This switch is very helpful for my project and will
allow me to work around not being able to produce a spreadsheet with the
MLU of each utterance, as I was trying to do a couple of days ago.

I've just downloaded the new version of CLAN for Mac and am using it with
Mojave. With a relatively short test file, I am still having one slight
problem. When I run kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1m, some 1-morpheme utterances are
not appearing in the results. These are one-word/one-morpheme utterances
that just say "yeah." They are appearing when I run kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1w.
Other one-word/one-morpheme utterances coded as "co" (e.g., "okay") are
coming up in the list of one-morpheme utterances I get when I run "kwal +d4
+t*CHI +x=1m".

Please let me know what I can do. I can send you this test file directly if
that would be best.

Thank you!

Julianne Garbarino

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
wrote:

> Julianne,
>
> You interpreted the +xCN option correctly, the 'm' does stand for
> morphemes. I have changed KWAL usage to make more clear. The other
> consideration is that the 'm' option will only work correctly if you have
> +%mor: tiers in your data files. Last this is that there was a problem with
> the way KWAL was counting morphemes on %mor tier and as the result it might
> have missed some utterances in the output.
>
> I have fixed this and if you get new program from dali.talkbank.org/clan/,
> then the "+x=1m" and "+x=1w" options will produce different results, assume
> that speaker does actually use multi-morphemes words.
>
> FREQ's "+sm;*,o%" option will interfere with "+xCN" option. If you want to
> use FREQ with "+sm;*,o%" option, then you should first use KWAL with "+x=1m
> +d +f" options, for example, and then run FREQ with "+sm;*o%" option on the
> output of KWAL.
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 13:24, jgar... at umd.edu <jgarbari at umd.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I was wondering if anyone could clarify how the +xCN switch in KWAL works.
> I was wondering if I could use this switch to produce only utterances with
> a certain morpheme length.
>
>  It says under KWAL, in the manual and when I type kwal into the commands
> window:
>
> +xCN: include only utterances which are C (>, <, =) than N items (w, c,
> m), "+x=0w" for zero words
>
> I can't find a definition of what "w, c, m" means, but if the +x=0w is for
> 0 words, then I thought maybe +x=1m could get me all of the 1 morpheme
> utterances, etc. However, when I run +x=1m it gives me all 1-word, not
> 1-morpheme utterances. (The output for +x=1m and +x=1w are exactly the
> same.)
>
> Is the "m" here supposed to be for morphemes? I can't seem to locate a
> definition. I do see that under TTR, it says "The only new element in this
> command is +sm;*o%. The +s option tells FREQ to search for and count
> certain strings. The m tells the program to look at the %mor line. The
> semicolon says to look at the stem and then the *,o% says to ignore
> everything else."
>
> Thank you.
>
> Julianne Garbarino
>
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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul 23 21:00:01 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:00:01 -0400
Subject: +xCN switch in KWAL
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Julianne,

	Please, sent to me directly the test file you are using, the exact command line and indicate the utterances that you are expecting to get with "kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1m" command.


Leonid.

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 19:40, Julianne Garbarino <jgarbari at umd.edu> wrote:
> 
> Dear Leonid,
> Thank you so much. This switch is very helpful for my project and will allow me to work around not being able to produce a spreadsheet with the MLU of each utterance, as I was trying to do a couple of days ago. 
> 
> I've just downloaded the new version of CLAN for Mac and am using it with Mojave. With a relatively short test file, I am still having one slight problem. When I run kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1m, some 1-morpheme utterances are not appearing in the results. These are one-word/one-morpheme utterances that just say "yeah." They are appearing when I run kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1w. Other one-word/one-morpheme utterances coded as "co" (e.g., "okay") are coming up in the list of one-morpheme utterances I get when I run "kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1m".
> 
> Please let me know what I can do. I can send you this test file directly if that would be best.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Julianne Garbarino
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu <mailto:spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>> wrote:
> Julianne,
> 
> 	You interpreted the +xCN option correctly, the 'm' does stand for morphemes. I have changed KWAL usage to make more clear. The other consideration is that the 'm' option will only work correctly if you have +%mor: tiers in your data files. Last this is that there was a problem with the way KWAL was counting morphemes on %mor tier and as the result it might have missed some utterances in the output.
> 
> I have fixed this and if you get new program from dali.talkbank.org/clan/ <https://dali.talkbank.org/clan/>, then the "+x=1m" and "+x=1w" options will produce different results, assume that speaker does actually use multi-morphemes words.
> 
> FREQ's "+sm;*,o%" option will interfere with "+xCN" option. If you want to use FREQ with "+sm;*,o%" option, then you should first use KWAL with "+x=1m +d +f" options, for example, and then run FREQ with "+sm;*o%" option on the output of KWAL.
> 
> Leonid.
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 13:24, jgar... at umd.edu <http://umd.edu/> <jgarbari at umd.edu <mailto:jgarbari at umd.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I was wondering if anyone could clarify how the +xCN switch in KWAL works. I was wondering if I could use this switch to produce only utterances with a certain morpheme length.
>> 
>>  It says under KWAL, in the manual and when I type kwal into the commands window:
>> 
>> +xCN: include only utterances which are C (>, <, =) than N items (w, c, m), "+x=0w" for zero words
>> 
>> I can't find a definition of what "w, c, m" means, but if the +x=0w is for 0 words, then I thought maybe +x=1m could get me all of the 1 morpheme utterances, etc. However, when I run +x=1m it gives me all 1-word, not 1-morpheme utterances. (The output for +x=1m and +x=1w are exactly the same.)
>> 
>> Is the "m" here supposed to be for morphemes? I can't seem to locate a definition. I do see that under TTR, it says "The only new element in this command is +sm;*o%. The +s option tells FREQ to search for and count certain strings. The m tells the program to look at the %mor line. The semicolon says to look at the stem and then the *,o% says to ignore everything else."
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Julianne Garbarino
>> 
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From sophie at sophieambrose.com  Tue Jul 28 15:08:17 2020
From: sophie at sophieambrose.com (Sophie Ambrose)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RELY
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I'm helping one of our labs new to using CLAN conduct reliability analyses 
on their coding tier using RELY. (They have converted word documents with 
their transcripts to CLAN files and are adding coding tiers.) They'd like 
to have Cohen's Kappa and ideally separately for the two participants. 
Questions:
1) Is the only way to get reliability data separately for each speaker to 
convert the transcript into two separate transcripts where each only 
contains one speaker? 
2) I'm using rely +t%xcod +dm1 +c -t* +d20 @ to try to get Cohen's kappa. 
There are 38 errors and 237 matches, but the output says Cohen's kappa 
coefficient: -1.#IND and I'm not sure what to make of that.  
I'd appreciate any help! I have tried attaching sample files and am having 
trouble, so I may try posting those as a reply.
Thank you,
Sophie

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From macw at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 28 16:13:01 2020
From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:13:01 -0400
Subject: RELY
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Sophie,
    You can work on the two participants separately by creating a file for each.  Copy the master file to a second file and use the TRIM command to remove one participant from each.  For your second question, we would need your file along with the command you are using. You could send that to me or Leonid (spektor at andrew.cmu.edu <mailto:spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>).  One file that illustrates the problem should be enough.

--Brian MacWhinney

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 3:08 PM, Sophie Ambrose <sophie at sophieambrose.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm helping one of our labs new to using CLAN conduct reliability analyses on their coding tier using RELY. (They have converted word documents with their transcripts to CLAN files and are adding coding tiers.) They'd like to have Cohen's Kappa and ideally separately for the two participants. 
> Questions:
> 1) Is the only way to get reliability data separately for each speaker to convert the transcript into two separate transcripts where each only contains one speaker? 
> 2) I'm using rely +t%xcod +dm1 +c -t* +d20 @ to try to get Cohen's kappa. There are 38 errors and 237 matches, but the output says Cohen's kappa coefficient: -1.#IND and I'm not sure what to make of that.  
> I'd appreciate any help! I have tried attaching sample files and am having trouble, so I may try posting those as a reply.
> Thank you,
> Sophie
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From macw at andrew.cmu.edu  Wed Jul  1 01:43:24 2020
From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 21:43:24 -0400
Subject: TalkBankDB
Message-ID: <917067E4-45DF-48B6-9F59-3E5009309004@andrew.cmu.edu>

Apologies for cross postings.

Dear ChiBolts,

    John Kowalski has developed a database search engine for accessing data in TalkBank, it is called TalkBankDB and you can get to it from https://talkbank.org/DB.  It allows users to search any one of the 14 TalkBank databases, using a variety of selectors.  Currently, it is fairly well-tuned for searches in the child language databases (CHILDES, PhonBank, FluencyBank, ASDBank), using things like gender, age, activity type, language, study design, and media type.

    The short Manual describes the ways to create searches and provides a few sample exercises to help you learn how to use the system.  After issuing a search pattern, the system responds quickly with matches and gives you seven tabs for further operations:

1. The Transcripts tab lists all the transcripts matching your search.  You can click on any one and open up the transcript directly in the TalkBank Browser.

2.  The Participants tab lists the participants in each matching transcript.

3.  The Utterances tab lists all the utterances in all matching transcripts.  So this can be a very big file, but it still loads and downloads very quickly.

4.  The Tokens tab can be really big.  It lists each word in the matching transcripts, one word on each line with information about the surface, the lemma, the part of speech, the name of the transcript, and the speaker.

5.  The Token Types tab groups the tokens by type.

6.  The Visualizations tab allows you to quickly graph words by frequency across ages. We will add other types of visualizations eventually.

7.  The CQL tab allows you to create Corpus Query Language searches by word, lemma, and part of speech.  It does not yet support the OR operator.

The results from any of these 7 tabs can be download in spreadsheet format and then opened in Excel, R, or other analysis programs.  There is also an R API, but it has not yet been "packaged" or fully tested.

    This new facility could be particularly useful for classes this Fall that need to rely on web resources as a replacement for in-person experiments.  I hope people can give it a try and then give us feedback about problems, suggestions for improvements, and ways to use the system.

Best regards,

 --Brian MacWhinney

Teresa Heinz Professor of 
Cognitive Psychology,
Computational Linguistics, 
and Modern Languages, CMU

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From cpaudisio at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 18:13:43 2020
From: cpaudisio at gmail.com (Cynthia Audisio)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 11:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: gemfreq type/token counts ratios
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Hello Chibolts,

I've got a group of files, each of them's got several "gems" with play 
situations. Is it possible to get separate type/token totals and ratios for 
each of the gems in a file ?
This is how the file looks:

.
.
@Bg:    play1
.
.
.
@Eg:    play1
.
.
.
.
@Bg:    play2
.
.
.
@Eg:    play2
.
.

and what I need is individual type/token counts and ratio for each play 
situation (play 1, play 2, etc). Up to now I've run gemfreq which yields a 
freq list (not total number of type/token and type/token ratio, which is 
what i need).
Thanks,

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul  2 20:05:28 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 16:05:28 -0400
Subject: gemfreq type/token counts ratios
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Cynthia,

	First I need to get more information from you. Do your data files have an @ID: headers? Do you want to get type/token and type/token ratio for speaker words or for morphological analysis words or for lemmas? Do you want the output in plain readable text format or in Excel format? Different answers to those questions will require different commands to get the exact result that you want.

Please allow me to explain the reason for my second question. For example, if you have the following sentence:

*MOT: you can't put it on the table and table it.

If you run FREQ on speaker words, then you will get result:

  1 and
  1 can't
  2 it
  1 on
  1 put
  2 table
  1 the
  1 you
------------------------------
    8  Total number of different item types used
   10  Total number of items (tokens)
0.800  Type/Token ratio

If you run FREQ on morphological analysis words, then you will get result:

  1 coord|and
  1 det:art|the
  1 mod|can
  1 neg|not
  1 n|table
  1 prep|on
  2 pro:per|it
  1 pro:per|you
  1 v|put&ZERO
  1 v|table
------------------------------
   10  Total number of different item types used
   11  Total number of items (tokens)
0.909  Type/Token ratio

If you run FREQ on lemmas, then you will get result:

  1 and
  1 can
  2 it
  1 not
  1 on
  1 put
  2 table
  1 the
  1 you
------------------------------
    9  Total number of different item types used
   11  Total number of items (tokens)
0.818  Type/Token ratio



Leonid.

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 14:13, Cynthia Audisio <cpaudisio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Chibolts,
> 
> I've got a group of files, each of them's got several "gems" with play situations. Is it possible to get separate type/token totals and ratios for each of the gems in a file ?
> This is how the file looks:
> 
> .
> .
> @Bg:    play1
> .
> .
> .
> @Eg:    play1
> .
> .
> .
> .
> @Bg:    play2
> .
> .
> .
> @Eg:    play2
> .
> .
> 
> and what I need is individual type/token counts and ratio for each play situation (play 1, play 2, etc). Up to now I've run gemfreq which yields a freq list (not total number of type/token and type/token ratio, which is what i need).
> Thanks,
> 
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From cpaudisio at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 20:49:36 2020
From: cpaudisio at gmail.com (Cynthia Audisio)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 13:49:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: gemfreq type/token counts ratios
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Hello Leonid,

Our data have @ID: headers and we want to get type/token totals and ratio 
for *speaker words*. It would be of great help to get the output as a 
spreadsheet. Gemfreq does almost all the work. The only missing information 
is the one in blue in the following sample output:

>From file <........>
  3 tiers in gem "disputa_1":
      1 abuela
      2 dije
      1 duele
      1 eso
      1 heladito
      1 idea
      2 la
      2 mam?
      1 me
------------------------------
    9  Total number of different item types used
   11  Total number of items (tokens)
0.818  Type/Token ratio

>From file <........>
  4 tiers in gem "disputa_2":
      3 no
      1 porque
      1 s?
      2 ten?a
      1 un
      1 yo
------------------------------
    9  Total number of different item types used
   11  Total number of items (tokens)
0.818  Type/Token ratio


etc.





El jueves, 2 de julio de 2020, 17:05:33 (UTC-3), Leonid Spektor escribi?:
>
> Cynthia,
>
> First I need to get more information from you. Do your data files have an 
> @ID: headers? Do you want to get type/token and type/token ratio for 
> speaker words or for morphological analysis words or for lemmas? Do you 
> want the output in plain readable text format or in Excel format? Different 
> answers to those questions will require different commands to get the exact 
> result that you want.
>
> Please allow me to explain the reason for my second question. For example, 
> if you have the following sentence:
>
> *MOT: you can't put it on the table and table it.
>
> If you run FREQ on speaker words, then you will get result:
>
>   1 and
>   1 can't
>   2 it
>   1 on
>   1 put
>   2 table
>   1 the
>   1 you
> ------------------------------
>     8  Total number of different item types used
>    10  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.800  Type/Token ratio
>
> If you run FREQ on morphological analysis words, then you will get result:
>
>   1 coord|and
>   1 det:art|the
>   1 mod|can
>   1 neg|not
>   1 n|table
>   1 prep|on
>   2 pro:per|it
>   1 pro:per|you
>   1 v|put&ZERO
>   1 v|table
> ------------------------------
>    10  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.909  Type/Token ratio
>
> If you run FREQ on lemmas, then you will get result:
>
>   1 and
>   1 can
>   2 it
>   1 not
>   1 on
>   1 put
>   2 table
>   1 the
>   1 you
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
>
>
>
> Leonid. 
>
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 14:13, Cynthia Audisio <cpau... at gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Chibolts,
>
> I've got a group of files, each of them's got several "gems" with play 
> situations. Is it possible to get separate type/token totals and ratios for 
> each of the gems in a file ?
> This is how the file looks:
>
> .
> .
> @Bg:    play1
> .
> .
> .
> @Eg:    play1
> .
> .
> .
> .
> @Bg:    play2
> .
> .
> .
> @Eg:    play2
> .
> .
>
> and what I need is individual type/token counts and ratio for each play 
> situation (play 1, play 2, etc). Up to now I've run gemfreq which yields a 
> freq list (not total number of type/token and type/token ratio, which is 
> what i need).
> Thanks,
>
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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul  2 21:17:34 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:17:34 -0400
Subject: gemfreq type/token counts ratios
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Cynthia,

	I would suggets the following commands to extract the right gems from your data files:

gem +d +t at ID +sdisputa_1 +fdisputa_1 filenames.cha
gem +d +t at ID +sdisputa_2 +fdisputa_2 filenames.cha
 etc...

Next run freq +d3 *.disputa*.cex on resulting GEM output files. The Excel output will be called stat.frq.xls.

Leonid.

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 16:49, Cynthia Audisio <cpaudisio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Leonid,
> 
> Our data have @ID: headers and we want to get type/token totals and ratio for *speaker words*. It would be of great help to get the output as a spreadsheet. Gemfreq does almost all the work. The only missing information is the one in blue in the following sample output:
> 
> From file <........>
>   3 tiers in gem "disputa_1":
>       1 abuela
>       2 dije
>       1 duele
>       1 eso
>       1 heladito
>       1 idea
>       2 la
>       2 mam?
>       1 me
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
> 
> From file <........>
>   4 tiers in gem "disputa_2":
>       3 no
>       1 porque
>       1 s?
>       2 ten?a
>       1 un
>       1 yo
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
> 
> 
> etc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El jueves, 2 de julio de 2020, 17:05:33 (UTC-3), Leonid Spektor escribi?:
> Cynthia,
> 
> 	First I need to get more information from you. Do your data files have an @ID: headers? Do you want to get type/token and type/token ratio for speaker words or for morphological analysis words or for lemmas? Do you want the output in plain readable text format or in Excel format? Different answers to those questions will require different commands to get the exact result that you want.
> 
> Please allow me to explain the reason for my second question. For example, if you have the following sentence:
> 
> *MOT: you can't put it on the table and table it.
> 
> If you run FREQ on speaker words, then you will get result:
> 
>   1 and
>   1 can't
>   2 it
>   1 on
>   1 put
>   2 table
>   1 the
>   1 you
> ------------------------------
>     8  Total number of different item types used
>    10  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.800  Type/Token ratio
> 
> If you run FREQ on morphological analysis words, then you will get result:
> 
>   1 coord|and
>   1 det:art|the
>   1 mod|can
>   1 neg|not
>   1 n|table
>   1 prep|on
>   2 pro:per|it
>   1 pro:per|you
>   1 v|put&ZERO
>   1 v|table
> ------------------------------
>    10  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.909  Type/Token ratio
> 
> If you run FREQ on lemmas, then you will get result:
> 
>   1 and
>   1 can
>   2 it
>   1 not
>   1 on
>   1 put
>   2 table
>   1 the
>   1 you
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
> 
> 
> 
> Leonid.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 14:13, Cynthia Audisio <cpau... at gmail.com <>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Chibolts,
>> 
>> I've got a group of files, each of them's got several "gems" with play situations. Is it possible to get separate type/token totals and ratios for each of the gems in a file ?
>> This is how the file looks:
>> 
>> .
>> .
>> @Bg:    play1
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Eg:    play1
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Bg:    play2
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Eg:    play2
>> .
>> .
>> 
>> and what I need is individual type/token counts and ratio for each play situation (play 1, play 2, etc). Up to now I've run gemfreq which yields a freq list (not total number of type/token and type/token ratio, which is what i need).
>> Thanks,
>> 
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From cpaudisio at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 21:20:27 2020
From: cpaudisio at gmail.com (Cynthia)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 18:20:27 -0300
Subject: gemfreq type/token counts ratios
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I'll try that. Thank you!

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, 18:17 Leonid Spektor, <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

> Cynthia,
>
> I would suggets the following commands to extract the right gems from your
> data files:
>
> gem +d +t at ID +sdisputa_1 +fdisputa_1 filenames.cha
> gem +d +t at ID +sdisputa_2 +fdisputa_2 filenames.cha
>  etc...
>
> Next run freq +d3 *.disputa*.cex on resulting GEM output files. The Excel
> output will be called stat.frq.xls.
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 16:49, Cynthia Audisio <cpaudisio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Leonid,
>
> Our data have @ID: headers and we want to get type/token totals and ratio
> for *speaker words*. It would be of great help to get the output as a
> spreadsheet. Gemfreq does almost all the work. The only missing information
> is the one in blue in the following sample output:
>
> From file <........>
>   3 tiers in gem "disputa_1":
>       1 abuela
>       2 dije
>       1 duele
>       1 eso
>       1 heladito
>       1 idea
>       2 la
>       2 mam?
>       1 me
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
>
> From file <........>
>   4 tiers in gem "disputa_2":
>       3 no
>       1 porque
>       1 s?
>       2 ten?a
>       1 un
>       1 yo
> ------------------------------
>     9  Total number of different item types used
>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
>
>
> etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> El jueves, 2 de julio de 2020, 17:05:33 (UTC-3), Leonid Spektor escribi?:
>>
>> Cynthia,
>>
>> First I need to get more information from you. Do your data files have an
>> @ID: headers? Do you want to get type/token and type/token ratio for
>> speaker words or for morphological analysis words or for lemmas? Do you
>> want the output in plain readable text format or in Excel format? Different
>> answers to those questions will require different commands to get the exact
>> result that you want.
>>
>> Please allow me to explain the reason for my second question. For
>> example, if you have the following sentence:
>>
>> *MOT: you can't put it on the table and table it.
>>
>> If you run FREQ on speaker words, then you will get result:
>>
>>   1 and
>>   1 can't
>>   2 it
>>   1 on
>>   1 put
>>   2 table
>>   1 the
>>   1 you
>> ------------------------------
>>     8  Total number of different item types used
>>    10  Total number of items (tokens)
>> 0.800  Type/Token ratio
>>
>> If you run FREQ on morphological analysis words, then you will get
>> result:
>>
>>   1 coord|and
>>   1 det:art|the
>>   1 mod|can
>>   1 neg|not
>>   1 n|table
>>   1 prep|on
>>   2 pro:per|it
>>   1 pro:per|you
>>   1 v|put&ZERO
>>   1 v|table
>> ------------------------------
>>    10  Total number of different item types used
>>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
>> 0.909  Type/Token ratio
>>
>> If you run FREQ on lemmas, then you will get result:
>>
>>   1 and
>>   1 can
>>   2 it
>>   1 not
>>   1 on
>>   1 put
>>   2 table
>>   1 the
>>   1 you
>> ------------------------------
>>     9  Total number of different item types used
>>    11  Total number of items (tokens)
>> 0.818  Type/Token ratio
>>
>>
>>
>> Leonid.
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 14:13, Cynthia Audisio <cpau... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Chibolts,
>>
>> I've got a group of files, each of them's got several "gems" with play
>> situations. Is it possible to get separate type/token totals and ratios for
>> each of the gems in a file ?
>> This is how the file looks:
>>
>> .
>> .
>> @Bg:    play1
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Eg:    play1
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Bg:    play2
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> @Eg:    play2
>> .
>> .
>>
>> and what I need is individual type/token counts and ratio for each play
>> situation (play 1, play 2, etc). Up to now I've run gemfreq which yields a
>> freq list (not total number of type/token and type/token ratio, which is
>> what i need).
>> Thanks,
>>
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From macw at andrew.cmu.edu  Wed Jul  8 19:36:34 2020
From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:36:34 -0400
Subject: Is there a MOR program for Korean?
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Dear Linda,

As Leonid noted, yes, we do have an initial attempt at a grammar.  I have added a link to it on the https;//talkbank.org/morgrams page.  Looking at the simplicity of the cr rules in comparison to the known complexity of Korean morphology, I hadn't considered it ready for distribution.  However, if you are willing to give it a try and perhaps develop it further, that would be great.  Somewhat naively, I have also wondered whether making reference to some of the methods in the Japanese MOR grammar might help in the development of the Korean MOR.

We try to use the chibolts at googlegroups.com list for messages about the nuts and bolts of CHILDES programs, so I am posting my answer to your question over there instead of info-childes which is for more general issues about child language.

-- Brian MacWhinney


> On Jul 8, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi Linda,
> 
> 	We seems to have a MOR grammar for Korean in our git repository. I don't know how far developed it is. This grammar is not listed on our MOR grammars web site page https://talkbank.org/morgrams/ <https://talkbank.org/morgrams/>, so it might not be ready for release yet. I am hopping that Brian MacWhinney, who is in charge of MOR grammars, will shed more light on this.
> 
> 
> Leonid.
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 13:45, Linda Cote-Reilly <linda.cote.reilly at gmail.com <mailto:linda.cote.reilly at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Is there a MOR program for Korean?  Or one in development?
>> Best regards,
>> Linda
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From brielle.stark at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 14:01:54 2020
From: brielle.stark at gmail.com (brielle.stark)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:01:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Freq counts of fragments & false starts
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Hi!

I'd like to get a raw count of fragments and false starts, rather than each 
instance of it.

My thought was to use: *freq +s&* -s&=**

But, doing so gets me every instance of &word, and then I'd have to perform 
a count myself across columns. If this is the best way, that's not a 
problem, but I wanted to see if there was a way to just get a raw number of 
times the & or the &- was used in a transcript. 

Best,

Brie

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 14 14:11:55 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:11:55 -0400
Subject: Freq counts of fragments & false starts
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Hi,

	If I understand you correctly, then try this command:

freq +s&% +s&-% -s&=*


Leonid.

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 10:01, brielle.stark <brielle.stark at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I'd like to get a raw count of fragments and false starts, rather than each instance of it.
> 
> My thought was to use: freq +s&* -s&=*
> 
> But, doing so gets me every instance of &word, and then I'd have to perform a count myself across columns. If this is the best way, that's not a problem, but I wanted to see if there was a way to just get a raw number of times the & or the &- was used in a transcript. 
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From ingridwillenberg at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 01:09:43 2020
From: ingridwillenberg at gmail.com (Ingrid Willenberg)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:09:43 +1000
Subject: ID headers
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Dear Leonid and Brian

I have to reformat the headers in my files to enable me to generate output
to excel.

The current headers look like this:

1     @Begin

2     @Languages:        eng

3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS
observer_Ana_Maria_Pinter


After adding information to the ID header tier in CLAN, it adds two
additional ID headers. Is there something I'm doing wrong?

1     @Begin

2     @Languages:        eng

3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS , CHO Child , TO Other

4     @ID:         eng|Mages|CHI*||female|TD|WC|Target_Child||020304s|

5     @ID:         eng|change_corpus_later|OBS||||||||


Thanks in advance

*Kind regards,*



*Ingrid*

*Dr Ingrid A. Willenberg*

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From macw at andrew.cmu.edu  Wed Jul 15 01:50:25 2020
From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 21:50:25 -0400
Subject: ID headers
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Dear Ingrid,
    I can't quite follow what happened in this case.  However, what may be happening is that, when you type escape-L to run CHECK on the file, it will automatically insert @ID lines if they are not already there.  It does this based on information in the @Participants line.  Is it possible that this is what happened.  If so, isn't this really helpful?  You do need to have @ID lines.  
    Alternatively you may be describing a situation in which you ended up with too many @ID lines, but I can't figure that out from what you give here.

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> On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ingrid Willenberg <ingridwillenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Leonid and Brian
> 
> I have to reformat the headers in my files to enable me to generate output to excel.
> 
> The current headers look like this:
>  <>1     @Begin
> 2     @Languages:        eng
> 3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS observer_Ana_Maria_Pinter
> 
> 
> After adding information to the ID header tier in CLAN, it adds two additional ID headers. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
> 
> 1     @Begin
> 2     @Languages:        eng
> 3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS , CHO Child , TO Other
> 4     @ID:         eng|Mages|CHI*||female|TD|WC|Target_Child||020304s|
> 5     @ID:         eng|change_corpus_later|OBS||||||||
> 
> Thanks in advance 
> 
> Kind regards,
>  
> Ingrid
> Dr Ingrid A. Willenberg
> 
> 
> 
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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Wed Jul 15 03:35:31 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:35:31 -0400
Subject: ID headers
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Ingrid,

	If you have been adding ID tiers by hand, then may I suggest that you use the "Tiers->ID headers" menu to change or add new speaker information. This function will change both @Participants: and @ID: tiers and will make sure that all data will pass CHECK.

	I am not sure how you could have gotten from "the current headers look" to the "After adding information to the ID header" look as you show in your email. There is no automatic way in any of our programs that I know can do that. For example, the OBS speaker information in @Participants: tier is very different between before and after example.

If you could describe steps you have taken to make the change and even better email to me directly the before file, so that I can try to replicate what happened, then it would help a lot to figure out what could have happened.


Leonid.

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 21:09, Ingrid Willenberg <ingridwillenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Leonid and Brian
> 
> I have to reformat the headers in my files to enable me to generate output to excel.
> 
> The current headers look like this:
>  <>1     @Begin
> 2     @Languages:        eng
> 3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS observer_Ana_Maria_Pinter
> 
> 
> After adding information to the ID header tier in CLAN, it adds two additional ID headers. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
> 
> 1     @Begin
> 2     @Languages:        eng
> 3     @Participants:      CHI* PAT Target_Child, OBS , CHO Child , TO Other
> 4     @ID:         eng|Mages|CHI*||female|TD|WC|Target_Child||020304s|
> 5     @ID:         eng|change_corpus_later|OBS||||||||
> 
> Thanks in advance 
> 
> Kind regards,
>  
> Ingrid
> Dr Ingrid A. Willenberg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mdepascale at wesleyan.edu  Thu Jul 16 17:19:12 2020
From: mdepascale at wesleyan.edu (Mary DePascale)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:19:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: freq of question marks for only coded utterances
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Hi,

I have transcripts that I have coded for use of different types of math 
talk with a coding tier %mth. I am interested in looking at, of the 
utterances that have been coded with a %mth code, the number of those that 
end in a question mark. 

I had tried using freq with: freq +t%mth +t*CHI +s$ +s"?" +d2, however this 
only gives the total number of total utterances coded with %mth. I have 
also seen how to get the number of all utterances that end with a question 
mark, but not specifically for those that are/are not coded.

For example:

*FAT: how much ten plus ten? 
%mth: $AR:P
*CHI: um: eleven?
%mth: $AR:R
*FAT: 0.
%act: shakes head no. 
*CHI: what?
*FAT: how much ten plus ten? 
%mth: $AR:P

Here, the child asks 2 questions ("um eleven?" and "what?", but only 1 
question that is a question also coded with a %mth code. How can I get CLAN 
to return the value of 1 then in this case?

Thanks,
Mary

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul 16 18:02:27 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:02:27 -0400
Subject: freq of question marks for only coded utterances
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Hi,

	This has to be doen in two steps. First extract all speakers with %mth and then extract all speakers without %mth. Next run FREQ on result.

Here is how to count all ? *CHI: speakers with %mth:
combo +o at ID +t%mth +t*CHI +s%mth: +fmth +d your_file_name.cha
freq +s? *.mth.cex

Here is how to count all ? *CHI: speakers without %mth:
combo +o at ID +t%mth +t*CHI +s!%mth: +f-mth +d your_file_name.cha
freq +s? *.-mth.cex



Leonid.

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 13:19, Mary DePascale <mdepascale at wesleyan.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have transcripts that I have coded for use of different types of math talk with a coding tier %mth. I am interested in looking at, of the utterances that have been coded with a %mth code, the number of those that end in a question mark. 
> 
> I had tried using freq with: freq +t%mth +t*CHI +s$ +s"?" +d2, however this only gives the total number of total utterances coded with %mth. I have also seen how to get the number of all utterances that end with a question mark, but not specifically for those that are/are not coded.
> 
> For example:
> 
> *FAT:	how much ten plus ten? 
> %mth:	$AR:P
> *CHI:	um: eleven?
> %mth:	$AR:R
> *FAT:	0.
> %act:	shakes head no. 
> *CHI:	what?
> *FAT:	how much ten plus ten? 
> %mth:	$AR:P
> 
> Here, the child asks 2 questions ("um eleven?" and "what?", but only 1 question that is a question also coded with a %mth code. How can I get CLAN to return the value of 1 then in this case?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mary
> 
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From mppaolantonio at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 03:14:25 2020
From: mppaolantonio at gmail.com (Mppaolantonio Paolantonio)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:14:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: use of just a part of a video for calculations
Message-ID: <d24c5b9f-1f60-4e36-a69d-363bb64f261do@googlegroups.com>

Is there a way to calculate FREQ or MLU in a 5 minutes segment from a video 
transcription of 10 minutes long?

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Fri Jul 17 04:05:23 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:05:23 -0400
Subject: use of just a part of a video for calculations
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	I can't think of any way to do it. Maybe someone else can. The problem is that timing information on each utterance covers the whole utterance, so if 5 minutes falls in the middle of the utterance there is no way to identify exactly 5 minutes worth of words.


Leonid.

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 23:14, Mppaolantonio Paolantonio <mppaolantonio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to calculate FREQ or MLU in a 5 minutes segment from a video transcription of 10 minutes long?
> 
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From mppaolantonio at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 05:29:20 2020
From: mppaolantonio at gmail.com (Mppaolantonio Paolantonio)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:29:20 -0300
Subject: use of just a part of a video for calculations
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I thought so. Thanks anyway!

El vie., 17 de jul. de 2020 01:05, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
escribi?:

> I can't think of any way to do it. Maybe someone else can. The problem is
> that timing information on each utterance covers the whole utterance, so if
> 5 minutes falls in the middle of the utterance there is no way to identify
> exactly 5 minutes worth of words.
>
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jul 16, 2020, at 23:14, Mppaolantonio Paolantonio <
> mppaolantonio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there a way to calculate FREQ or MLU in a 5 minutes segment from a
> video transcription of 10 minutes long?
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From jgarbari at umd.edu  Tue Jul 21 17:52:59 2020
From: jgarbari at umd.edu (jgar...@umd.edu)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:52:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Printout of utterances with postcodes and length in morphemes
Message-ID: <deb63f9d-7b8d-4725-8176-183c912d8b23n@googlegroups.com>

Hello,
We are starting to code transcripts for a new project. At the end of the 
project, I'd like to be able to create a spreadsheet containing:

-each of the child's utterances
-whether the utterance is a question (and this can be obtained from the 
printout of the utterance)
-all postcodes for the utterance
-length in morphemes of the utterance

If I just run kwal +t*CHI +d4, then I can get most of this information. I 
get a spreadsheet with all utterances including those not counted towards 
MLU, such as 0, xxx, and &=laughs. However, I cannot figure out how to get 
length in morphemes in a spreadsheet. Does anyone know if there is a way to 
do this?

Thank you,
Julianne Garbarino

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From crl2 at nyu.edu  Tue Jul 21 18:33:02 2020
From: crl2 at nyu.edu (Chiara Repetti-Ludlow)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problems with the audio play button
Message-ID: <b37bbeac-07cf-416b-9c0a-8d8400f2bd5bo@googlegroups.com>

Hi all,

Has anyone else been having problems with the audio play buttons on the 
CHILDES website? When there is audio linked to a transcript, many corpora 
have the additional benefit of including play buttons next to each 
utterance, which allow you to jump to that point in the recording. However, 
these buttons haven't been working for me for the past week. Any ideas as 
to how I might fix this problem?

Thank you!
Chiara

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From diego.david191 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 20:34:45 2020
From: diego.david191 at gmail.com (diego.d...@gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:34:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Errors Running %mor command
Message-ID: <6ffca504-e624-49a4-9fe3-48eb6a1ab445n@googlegroups.com>

Hello everyone,

I have been trying to run the %mor command, but I kept receiving error 
messages such as the following:[image: error1.jpg]

I went to the prepost.cut file, but I am clueless on what to do next. This 
is what that file is showing:
[image: error2.jpg]

Any suggestions to solve those issues?

Thank you!

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 21 21:29:31 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:29:31 -0400
Subject: Printout of utterances with postcodes and length in morphemes
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Julianne,

	There is no way to get morphemes counts per utterance. MLU can create a spreadsheet that includes morphemes count per speaker per file.


Leonid.

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 13:52, jgar... at umd.edu <jgarbari at umd.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> We are starting to code transcripts for a new project. At the end of the project, I'd like to be able to create a spreadsheet containing:
> 
> -each of the child's utterances
> -whether the utterance is a question (and this can be obtained from the printout of the utterance)
> -all postcodes for the utterance
> -length in morphemes of the utterance
> 
> If I just run kwal +t*CHI +d4, then I can get most of this information. I get a spreadsheet with all utterances including those not counted towards MLU, such as 0, xxx, and &=laughs. However, I cannot figure out how to get length in morphemes in a spreadsheet. Does anyone know if there is a way to do this?
> 
> Thank you,
> Julianne Garbarino
> 
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From jgarbari at umd.edu  Tue Jul 21 21:55:39 2020
From: jgarbari at umd.edu (Julianne Garbarino)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:55:39 -0400
Subject: Printout of utterances with postcodes and length in morphemes
In-Reply-To: <F01B5050-2C91-44CF-B907-08AC283182CD@andrew.cmu.edu>
References: <deb63f9d-7b8d-4725-8176-183c912d8b23n@googlegroups.com>
 <F01B5050-2C91-44CF-B907-08AC283182CD@andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <CA+KHNfmrV=i-o3Xt6i6Ru2r6Nh6KEkqN1=cOi0Tk28f7zk0ufQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Leonid. That is helpful to know.

Best,
Julianne

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:29 PM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
wrote:

> Julianne,
>
> There is no way to get morphemes counts per utterance. MLU can create a
> spreadsheet that includes morphemes count per speaker per file.
>
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 13:52, jgar... at umd.edu <jgarbari at umd.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> We are starting to code transcripts for a new project. At the end of the
> project, I'd like to be able to create a spreadsheet containing:
>
> -each of the child's utterances
> -whether the utterance is a question (and this can be obtained from the
> printout of the utterance)
> -all postcodes for the utterance
> -length in morphemes of the utterance
>
> If I just run kwal +t*CHI +d4, then I can get most of this information. I
> get a spreadsheet with all utterances including those not counted towards
> MLU, such as 0, xxx, and &=laughs. However, I cannot figure out how to get
> length in morphemes in a spreadsheet. Does anyone know if there is a way to
> do this?
>
> Thank you,
> Julianne Garbarino
>
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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 21 22:11:22 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:11:22 -0400
Subject: Problems with the audio play button
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Chiara,

	We have notice this problem and we are working on fixing it.


Leonid.

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 14:33, Chiara Repetti-Ludlow <crl2 at nyu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Has anyone else been having problems with the audio play buttons on the CHILDES website? When there is audio linked to a transcript, many corpora have the additional benefit of including play buttons next to each utterance, which allow you to jump to that point in the recording. However, these buttons haven't been working for me for the past week. Any ideas as to how I might fix this problem?
> 
> Thank you!
> Chiara
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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 21 22:19:15 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:19:15 -0400
Subject: Errors Running %mor command
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Hi,

	If you get the latest version of the app, then it should fix the problem.


Leonid.

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 16:34, diego.d... at gmail.com <diego.david191 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have been trying to run the %mor command, but I kept receiving error messages such as the following:
> 
> I went to the prepost.cut file, but I am clueless on what to do next. This is what that file is showing:
> 
> 
> Any suggestions to solve those issues?
> 
> Thank you!
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From diego.david191 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 22:37:03 2020
From: diego.david191 at gmail.com (Diego Castillo)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:37:03 -0500
Subject: Errors Running %mor command
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That solved the problem, thank you so much!

Best,
*Diego Castillo L?pez*, M.A
ESL/EFL Teacher / English-Spanish Translator
The University of Texas at San Antonio
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:19 PM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If you get the latest version of the app, then it should fix the problem.
>
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 16:34, diego.d... at gmail.com <diego.david191 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have been trying to run the %mor command, but I kept receiving error
> messages such as the following:[image: error1.jpg]
>
> I went to the prepost.cut file, but I am clueless on what to do next. This
> is what that file is showing:
> [image: error2.jpg]
>
> Any suggestions to solve those issues?
>
> Thank you!
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From macw at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 21 23:23:53 2020
From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:23:53 -0400
Subject: Problems with the audio play button
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Dear Chiara,

    This if fixed now.

--Brian MacWhinney

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Chiara,
> 
> 	We have notice this problem and we are working on fixing it.
> 
> 
> Leonid.
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 14:33, Chiara Repetti-Ludlow <crl2 at nyu.edu <mailto:crl2 at nyu.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Has anyone else been having problems with the audio play buttons on the CHILDES website? When there is audio linked to a transcript, many corpora have the additional benefit of including play buttons next to each utterance, which allow you to jump to that point in the recording. However, these buttons haven't been working for me for the past week. Any ideas as to how I might fix this problem?
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Chiara
>> 
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From crl2 at nyu.edu  Wed Jul 22 02:41:57 2020
From: crl2 at nyu.edu (Chiara Repetti-Ludlow)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:41:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problems with the audio play button
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Thank you all so much!

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 7:23:58 PM UTC-4, macw wrote:
>
> Dear Chiara,
>
>     This if fixed now.
>
> --Brian MacWhinney
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Leonid Spektor <spe... at andrew.cmu.edu 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> Chiara,
>
> We have notice this problem and we are working on fixing it.
>
>
> Leonid. 
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 14:33, Chiara Repetti-Ludlow <cr... at nyu.edu 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone else been having problems with the audio play buttons on the 
> CHILDES website? When there is audio linked to a transcript, many corpora 
> have the additional benefit of including play buttons next to each 
> utterance, which allow you to jump to that point in the recording. However, 
> these buttons haven't been working for me for the past week. Any ideas as 
> to how I might fix this problem?
>
> Thank you!
> Chiara
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From brielle.stark at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 13:32:30 2020
From: brielle.stark at gmail.com (brielle.stark)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 06:32:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: eval for parts of speech
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Hi there!

Is there any way for EVAL to calculate morphology (e.g., plurals, third 
person) as a proportion of their respective part of speech? For example, 
plurals are always nouns, so calculating them as a proportion of nouns; 
third person singular, etc, are verbs (or aux), so calculating them as 
such? Or is it up to us to get a raw number and then divide manually? 
Thanks! Wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Brie

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From macw at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul 23 13:47:32 2020
From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:47:32 -0400
Subject: eval for parts of speech
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Dear Brie,
    You could do this by taking the EVAL sheet into R or Excel, and then dividing the morpheme % by the part of speech %.  Both are percentages of total words, so that would cancel out.

--Brian MacWhinney

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:32 AM, brielle.stark <brielle.stark at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> Is there any way for EVAL to calculate morphology (e.g., plurals, third person) as a proportion of their respective part of speech? For example, plurals are always nouns, so calculating them as a proportion of nouns; third person singular, etc, are verbs (or aux), so calculating them as such? Or is it up to us to get a raw number and then divide manually? Thanks! Wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.
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From jgarbari at umd.edu  Thu Jul 23 17:24:06 2020
From: jgarbari at umd.edu (jgar...@umd.edu)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: +xCN switch in KWAL
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Hello,
I was wondering if anyone could clarify how the +xCN switch in KWAL works. 
I was wondering if I could use this switch to produce only utterances with 
a certain morpheme length.

 It says under KWAL, in the manual and when I type kwal into the commands 
window:

+xCN: include only utterances which are C (>, <, =) than N items (w, c, m), 
"+x=0w" for zero words

I can't find a definition of what "w, c, m" means, but if the +x=0w is for 
0 words, then I thought maybe +x=1m could get me all of the 1 morpheme 
utterances, etc. However, when I run +x=1m it gives me all 1-word, not 
1-morpheme utterances. (The output for +x=1m and +x=1w are exactly the 
same.)

Is the "m" here supposed to be for morphemes? I can't seem to locate a 
definition. I do see that under TTR, it says "The only new element in this 
command is +sm;*o%. The +s option tells FREQ to search for and count 
certain strings. The m tells the program to look at the %mor line. The 
semicolon says to look at the stem and then the *,o% says to ignore 
everything else."

Thank you.

Julianne Garbarino

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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul 23 20:07:09 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:07:09 -0400
Subject: +xCN switch in KWAL
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Julianne,

	You interpreted the +xCN option correctly, the 'm' does stand for morphemes. I have changed KWAL usage to make more clear. The other consideration is that the 'm' option will only work correctly if you have +%mor: tiers in your data files. Last this is that there was a problem with the way KWAL was counting morphemes on %mor tier and as the result it might have missed some utterances in the output.

I have fixed this and if you get new program from dali.talkbank.org/clan/ <https://dali.talkbank.org/clan/>, then the "+x=1m" and "+x=1w" options will produce different results, assume that speaker does actually use multi-morphemes words.

FREQ's "+sm;*,o%" option will interfere with "+xCN" option. If you want to use FREQ with "+sm;*,o%" option, then you should first use KWAL with "+x=1m +d +f" options, for example, and then run FREQ with "+sm;*o%" option on the output of KWAL.

Leonid.

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 13:24, jgar... at umd.edu <jgarbari at umd.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I was wondering if anyone could clarify how the +xCN switch in KWAL works. I was wondering if I could use this switch to produce only utterances with a certain morpheme length.
> 
>  It says under KWAL, in the manual and when I type kwal into the commands window:
> 
> +xCN: include only utterances which are C (>, <, =) than N items (w, c, m), "+x=0w" for zero words
> 
> I can't find a definition of what "w, c, m" means, but if the +x=0w is for 0 words, then I thought maybe +x=1m could get me all of the 1 morpheme utterances, etc. However, when I run +x=1m it gives me all 1-word, not 1-morpheme utterances. (The output for +x=1m and +x=1w are exactly the same.)
> 
> Is the "m" here supposed to be for morphemes? I can't seem to locate a definition. I do see that under TTR, it says "The only new element in this command is +sm;*o%. The +s option tells FREQ to search for and count certain strings. The m tells the program to look at the %mor line. The semicolon says to look at the stem and then the *,o% says to ignore everything else."
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Julianne Garbarino
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From jgarbari at umd.edu  Thu Jul 23 23:40:29 2020
From: jgarbari at umd.edu (Julianne Garbarino)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:40:29 -0400
Subject: +xCN switch in KWAL
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Dear Leonid,
Thank you so much. This switch is very helpful for my project and will
allow me to work around not being able to produce a spreadsheet with the
MLU of each utterance, as I was trying to do a couple of days ago.

I've just downloaded the new version of CLAN for Mac and am using it with
Mojave. With a relatively short test file, I am still having one slight
problem. When I run kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1m, some 1-morpheme utterances are
not appearing in the results. These are one-word/one-morpheme utterances
that just say "yeah." They are appearing when I run kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1w.
Other one-word/one-morpheme utterances coded as "co" (e.g., "okay") are
coming up in the list of one-morpheme utterances I get when I run "kwal +d4
+t*CHI +x=1m".

Please let me know what I can do. I can send you this test file directly if
that would be best.

Thank you!

Julianne Garbarino

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
wrote:

> Julianne,
>
> You interpreted the +xCN option correctly, the 'm' does stand for
> morphemes. I have changed KWAL usage to make more clear. The other
> consideration is that the 'm' option will only work correctly if you have
> +%mor: tiers in your data files. Last this is that there was a problem with
> the way KWAL was counting morphemes on %mor tier and as the result it might
> have missed some utterances in the output.
>
> I have fixed this and if you get new program from dali.talkbank.org/clan/,
> then the "+x=1m" and "+x=1w" options will produce different results, assume
> that speaker does actually use multi-morphemes words.
>
> FREQ's "+sm;*,o%" option will interfere with "+xCN" option. If you want to
> use FREQ with "+sm;*,o%" option, then you should first use KWAL with "+x=1m
> +d +f" options, for example, and then run FREQ with "+sm;*o%" option on the
> output of KWAL.
>
> Leonid.
>
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 13:24, jgar... at umd.edu <jgarbari at umd.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I was wondering if anyone could clarify how the +xCN switch in KWAL works.
> I was wondering if I could use this switch to produce only utterances with
> a certain morpheme length.
>
>  It says under KWAL, in the manual and when I type kwal into the commands
> window:
>
> +xCN: include only utterances which are C (>, <, =) than N items (w, c,
> m), "+x=0w" for zero words
>
> I can't find a definition of what "w, c, m" means, but if the +x=0w is for
> 0 words, then I thought maybe +x=1m could get me all of the 1 morpheme
> utterances, etc. However, when I run +x=1m it gives me all 1-word, not
> 1-morpheme utterances. (The output for +x=1m and +x=1w are exactly the
> same.)
>
> Is the "m" here supposed to be for morphemes? I can't seem to locate a
> definition. I do see that under TTR, it says "The only new element in this
> command is +sm;*o%. The +s option tells FREQ to search for and count
> certain strings. The m tells the program to look at the %mor line. The
> semicolon says to look at the stem and then the *,o% says to ignore
> everything else."
>
> Thank you.
>
> Julianne Garbarino
>
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From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu  Fri Jul 24 01:00:01 2020
From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:00:01 -0400
Subject: +xCN switch in KWAL
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Julianne,

	Please, sent to me directly the test file you are using, the exact command line and indicate the utterances that you are expecting to get with "kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1m" command.


Leonid.

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 19:40, Julianne Garbarino <jgarbari at umd.edu> wrote:
> 
> Dear Leonid,
> Thank you so much. This switch is very helpful for my project and will allow me to work around not being able to produce a spreadsheet with the MLU of each utterance, as I was trying to do a couple of days ago. 
> 
> I've just downloaded the new version of CLAN for Mac and am using it with Mojave. With a relatively short test file, I am still having one slight problem. When I run kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1m, some 1-morpheme utterances are not appearing in the results. These are one-word/one-morpheme utterances that just say "yeah." They are appearing when I run kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1w. Other one-word/one-morpheme utterances coded as "co" (e.g., "okay") are coming up in the list of one-morpheme utterances I get when I run "kwal +d4 +t*CHI +x=1m".
> 
> Please let me know what I can do. I can send you this test file directly if that would be best.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Julianne Garbarino
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu <mailto:spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>> wrote:
> Julianne,
> 
> 	You interpreted the +xCN option correctly, the 'm' does stand for morphemes. I have changed KWAL usage to make more clear. The other consideration is that the 'm' option will only work correctly if you have +%mor: tiers in your data files. Last this is that there was a problem with the way KWAL was counting morphemes on %mor tier and as the result it might have missed some utterances in the output.
> 
> I have fixed this and if you get new program from dali.talkbank.org/clan/ <https://dali.talkbank.org/clan/>, then the "+x=1m" and "+x=1w" options will produce different results, assume that speaker does actually use multi-morphemes words.
> 
> FREQ's "+sm;*,o%" option will interfere with "+xCN" option. If you want to use FREQ with "+sm;*,o%" option, then you should first use KWAL with "+x=1m +d +f" options, for example, and then run FREQ with "+sm;*o%" option on the output of KWAL.
> 
> Leonid.
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 13:24, jgar... at umd.edu <http://umd.edu/> <jgarbari at umd.edu <mailto:jgarbari at umd.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I was wondering if anyone could clarify how the +xCN switch in KWAL works. I was wondering if I could use this switch to produce only utterances with a certain morpheme length.
>> 
>>  It says under KWAL, in the manual and when I type kwal into the commands window:
>> 
>> +xCN: include only utterances which are C (>, <, =) than N items (w, c, m), "+x=0w" for zero words
>> 
>> I can't find a definition of what "w, c, m" means, but if the +x=0w is for 0 words, then I thought maybe +x=1m could get me all of the 1 morpheme utterances, etc. However, when I run +x=1m it gives me all 1-word, not 1-morpheme utterances. (The output for +x=1m and +x=1w are exactly the same.)
>> 
>> Is the "m" here supposed to be for morphemes? I can't seem to locate a definition. I do see that under TTR, it says "The only new element in this command is +sm;*o%. The +s option tells FREQ to search for and count certain strings. The m tells the program to look at the %mor line. The semicolon says to look at the stem and then the *,o% says to ignore everything else."
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Julianne Garbarino
>> 
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From sophie at sophieambrose.com  Tue Jul 28 19:08:17 2020
From: sophie at sophieambrose.com (Sophie Ambrose)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RELY
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I'm helping one of our labs new to using CLAN conduct reliability analyses 
on their coding tier using RELY. (They have converted word documents with 
their transcripts to CLAN files and are adding coding tiers.) They'd like 
to have Cohen's Kappa and ideally separately for the two participants. 
Questions:
1) Is the only way to get reliability data separately for each speaker to 
convert the transcript into two separate transcripts where each only 
contains one speaker? 
2) I'm using rely +t%xcod +dm1 +c -t* +d20 @ to try to get Cohen's kappa. 
There are 38 errors and 237 matches, but the output says Cohen's kappa 
coefficient: -1.#IND and I'm not sure what to make of that.  
I'd appreciate any help! I have tried attaching sample files and am having 
trouble, so I may try posting those as a reply.
Thank you,
Sophie

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From macw at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Jul 28 20:13:01 2020
From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:13:01 -0400
Subject: RELY
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Sophie,
    You can work on the two participants separately by creating a file for each.  Copy the master file to a second file and use the TRIM command to remove one participant from each.  For your second question, we would need your file along with the command you are using. You could send that to me or Leonid (spektor at andrew.cmu.edu <mailto:spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>).  One file that illustrates the problem should be enough.

--Brian MacWhinney

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 3:08 PM, Sophie Ambrose <sophie at sophieambrose.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm helping one of our labs new to using CLAN conduct reliability analyses on their coding tier using RELY. (They have converted word documents with their transcripts to CLAN files and are adding coding tiers.) They'd like to have Cohen's Kappa and ideally separately for the two participants. 
> Questions:
> 1) Is the only way to get reliability data separately for each speaker to convert the transcript into two separate transcripts where each only contains one speaker? 
> 2) I'm using rely +t%xcod +dm1 +c -t* +d20 @ to try to get Cohen's kappa. There are 38 errors and 237 matches, but the output says Cohen's kappa coefficient: -1.#IND and I'm not sure what to make of that.  
> I'd appreciate any help! I have tried attaching sample files and am having trouble, so I may try posting those as a reply.
> Thank you,
> Sophie
> 
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