From macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 09:05:18 2021 From: macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com (Macarena Quiroga) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 06:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ***UNCHECKED*** EVAL command Message-ID: <0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n@googlegroups.com> Hi everyone, Thank you for accepting me. I'm using the EVAL command in a series of files, and I was wondering if there is a way to use EVAL on all the participants at the same time. I would like to have a unified spreadsheet with the EVAL results of all the participants of the transcript. I've read the manual but I couldn't find the answer (I'm still new to CLAN, so maybe I missed it). Thank you for your time, Macarena -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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Hope that helps, Davida On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM Macarena Quiroga < macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > Thank you for accepting me. I'm using the EVAL command in a series of > files, and I was wondering if there is a way to use EVAL on all the > participants at the same time. I would like to have a unified spreadsheet > with the EVAL results of all the participants of the transcript. > I've read the manual but I couldn't find the answer (I'm still new to > CLAN, so maybe I missed it). > Thank you for your time, > Macarena > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n%40googlegroups.com > > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CALtWWx1CqQQxMMetonS5eLHFigVecE-%3D_MrBMkEJYBaO4ajHdQ%40mail.gmail.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 11:18:48 2021 From: macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com (Macarena Quiroga) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:18:48 -0300 Subject: EVAL command In-Reply-To: References: <0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi Davida, Thank you so much for your help. I tried that, but it only allows me to select one participant at a time, and I'm trying to run EVAL to all participants in a single transcript. Is there a way to do so? Thanks again, M. -- Macarena Sol Quiroga Lic. y Prof. en Enseñanza Media y Superior en Letras (UBA) Instituto de Educación (UNaHur) CIIPME - CONICET El lun, 12 abr 2021 a las 11:06, Davida Fromm () escribió: > Dear Macarena, > > You can add +u to the EVAL command to send all the output to just one > file. > To learn more about EVAL command options (and options for any CLAN > command) you can just type the command by itself in the Commands window and > hit return. Then you'll see a list of all the switches you can add to the > command to do what you want. > > Hope that helps, > Davida > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM Macarena Quiroga < > macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> Thank you for accepting me. I'm using the EVAL command in a series of >> files, and I was wondering if there is a way to use EVAL on all the >> participants at the same time. I would like to have a unified spreadsheet >> with the EVAL results of all the participants of the transcript. >> I've read the manual but I couldn't find the answer (I'm still new to >> CLAN, so maybe I missed it). >> Thank you for your time, >> Macarena >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n%40googlegroups.com >> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/chibolts/RFy-4tC9rPw/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CALtWWx1CqQQxMMetonS5eLHFigVecE-%3D_MrBMkEJYBaO4ajHdQ%40mail.gmail.com > > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CANcNhDb7_ddegxo4EwV%2B6%3DdUo_SKjpn%3D_mXqKRrBLNWavEoMqA%40mail.gmail.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Apr 12 11:53:16 2021 From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:53:16 -0400 Subject: EVAL command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Macarena, Try the +t* option instead of full speaker code. Leonid~ > On Apr 12, 2021, at 11:19, Macarena Quiroga wrote: > >  > Hi Davida, > Thank you so much for your help. I tried that, but it only allows me to select one participant at a time, and I'm trying to run EVAL to all participants in a single transcript. Is there a way to do so? > Thanks again, > M. > -- > Macarena Sol Quiroga > Lic. y Prof. en Enseñanza Media y Superior en Letras (UBA) > Instituto de Educación (UNaHur) > CIIPME - CONICET > > > >> El lun, 12 abr 2021 a las 11:06, Davida Fromm () escribió: >> Dear Macarena, >> >> You can add +u to the EVAL command to send all the output to just one file. >> To learn more about EVAL command options (and options for any CLAN command) you can just type the command by itself in the Commands window and hit return. Then you'll see a list of all the switches you can add to the command to do what you want. >> >> Hope that helps, >> Davida >> >>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM Macarena Quiroga wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> Thank you for accepting me. I'm using the EVAL command in a series of files, and I was wondering if there is a way to use EVAL on all the participants at the same time. I would like to have a unified spreadsheet with the EVAL results of all the participants of the transcript. >>> I've read the manual but I couldn't find the answer (I'm still new to CLAN, so maybe I missed it). >>> Thank you for your time, >>> Macarena >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n%40googlegroups.com. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/chibolts/RFy-4tC9rPw/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CALtWWx1CqQQxMMetonS5eLHFigVecE-%3D_MrBMkEJYBaO4ajHdQ%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CANcNhDb7_ddegxo4EwV%2B6%3DdUo_SKjpn%3D_mXqKRrBLNWavEoMqA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/ACA27EB6-3694-4BF3-8593-CF3E2E04D854%40andrew.cmu.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nratner at umd.edu Mon Apr 12 12:01:34 2021 From: nratner at umd.edu (Nan Bernstein Ratner) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:01:34 -0400 Subject: EVAL command In-Reply-To: References: <0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: You can't do groups of people and compare to the database (since that requires individual specifications); you should be able to get all data in one spreadsheet if you select DO NOT compare to database. N Nan Bernstein Ratner, F-, H-ASHA, F-AAAS, ABCLD Professor Hearing and Speech Sciences University of Maryland 0100 Lefrak Hall College Park, MD 20742 nratner at umd.edu, 301-405-4217 Co-director: FluencyBank (www.fluency.talkbank.org); http://languagefluency.umd.edu/ President, International Fluency Association (IFA; http://theifa.org) Director, University of Maryland Autism Research Consortium (UMARC), www.autism.umd.edu Faculty, Language Science (languagescience.umd.edu; Neuroscience & Cognitive Neuroscience (NACS, nacs.umd.edu), Developmental Science Field Committee http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein%20ratner/nan My PubMed Bibliography On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:19 AM Macarena Quiroga < macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Davida, > Thank you so much for your help. I tried that, but it only allows me to > select one participant at a time, and I'm trying to run EVAL to all > participants in a single transcript. Is there a way to do so? > Thanks again, > M. > -- > Macarena Sol Quiroga > Lic. y Prof. en Enseñanza Media y Superior en Letras (UBA) > Instituto de Educación (UNaHur) > CIIPME - CONICET > > > > El lun, 12 abr 2021 a las 11:06, Davida Fromm () > escribió: > >> Dear Macarena, >> >> You can add +u to the EVAL command to send all the output to just one >> file. >> To learn more about EVAL command options (and options for any CLAN >> command) you can just type the command by itself in the Commands window and >> hit return. Then you'll see a list of all the switches you can add to the >> command to do what you want. >> >> Hope that helps, >> Davida >> >> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM Macarena Quiroga < >> macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> Thank you for accepting me. I'm using the EVAL command in a series of >>> files, and I was wondering if there is a way to use EVAL on all the >>> participants at the same time. I would like to have a unified spreadsheet >>> with the EVAL results of all the participants of the transcript. >>> I've read the manual but I couldn't find the answer (I'm still new to >>> CLAN, so maybe I missed it). >>> Thank you for your time, >>> Macarena >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "chibolts" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/chibolts/RFy-4tC9rPw/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CALtWWx1CqQQxMMetonS5eLHFigVecE-%3D_MrBMkEJYBaO4ajHdQ%40mail.gmail.com >> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CANcNhDb7_ddegxo4EwV%2B6%3DdUo_SKjpn%3D_mXqKRrBLNWavEoMqA%40mail.gmail.com > > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. 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Kind regards, Yvan Rose On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Taylor Streander > wrote: does anyone know what this error message means and how to fix it? I thought it had something to do with attaching the video to the transcript, but that part worked just fine. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n%40googlegroups.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2021-04-20 at 7.10.16 AM.png Type: image/png Size: 557657 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tstreand at iu.edu Tue Apr 20 07:57:06 2021 From: tstreand at iu.edu (Taylor Streander) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 04:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: error message In-Reply-To: References: <3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <771e6871-b908-4a41-b7ec-16750fdc886dn@googlegroups.com> Hi Yvan, I thought that may be the issue as well, so I made them the same name. That didn't seem to work, though. Best, Taylor On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 7:50:00 AM UTC-4 Yvan Rose wrote: > Dear Taylor, > If you make sure that the name of the media file on your hard drive is the > same as the name of your transcript file (except for their respective file > extensions, e.g. .wav vs. .cha) everything should be fine. > > Kind regards, > Yvan Rose > > On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Taylor Streander wrote: > > > > does anyone know what this error message means and how to fix it? I > thought it had something to do with attaching the video to the transcript, > but that part worked just fine. 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If you could give your transcript and media file a short simple name with no spaces and use that name also in the @Media line, I think that might solve your problem. — Brian MacWhinney Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > On Apr 20, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Rose, Yvan wrote: > > Dear Taylor, > If you make sure that the name of the media file on your hard drive is the same as the name of your transcript file (except for their respective file extensions, e.g. .wav vs. .cha) everything should be fine. > > Kind regards, > Yvan Rose > >> On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Taylor Streander wrote: >> >> >> >> does anyone know what this error message means and how to fix it? I thought it had something to do with attaching the video to the transcript, but that part worked just fine. Thanks! >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n%40googlegroups.com. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/ECB804E5-163A-4DCD-A486-BCB7610A2936%40mun.ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/49C193A9-7DF5-43B6-9040-37C4258F2335%40andrew.cmu.edu. From tstreand at iu.edu Wed Apr 21 06:51:05 2021 From: tstreand at iu.edu (Taylor Streander) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 03:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: error message In-Reply-To: <49C193A9-7DF5-43B6-9040-37C4258F2335@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n@googlegroups.com> <49C193A9-7DF5-43B6-9040-37C4258F2335@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <07584878-8f5d-485d-999b-7bb8764e29b8n@googlegroups.com> That worked! Thank you so much! On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 9:50:06 AM UTC-4 macw wrote: > Dear Taylor, > Your file name includes spaces and this can often confuse CLAN and other > aspects of computers. If you could give your transcript and media file a > short simple name with no spaces and use that name also in the @Media line, > I think that might solve your problem. > > — Brian MacWhinney > Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, > Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > > > > > On Apr 20, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Rose, Yvan wrote: > > > > Dear Taylor, > > If you make sure that the name of the media file on your hard drive is > the same as the name of your transcript file (except for their respective > file extensions, e.g. .wav vs. .cha) everything should be fine. > > > > Kind regards, > > Yvan Rose > > > >> On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Taylor Streander wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> does anyone know what this error message means and how to fix it? I > thought it had something to do with attaching the video to the transcript, > but that part worked just fine. 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For instance, if the utterance is “I am a teacher” and I can only get the “I am” part, but I hear 2 other words that are unintelligible, then I should code the sentence like this: “I am xxx xxx.” - I can use as many xxx strings as I want for the number of words that are unintelligible. Would you confirm my understandings? Thank you, Elnaz Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) *Post-Doctoral Research Associate * Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) University of Utah LinkedIn Personal Website -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DtooCufRurstuPt6qfdDFUz35EzS%2BFoawKjf6UhgPTBA%40mail.gmail.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macw at andrew.cmu.edu Thu Apr 22 18:56:11 2021 From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian Macwhinney) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 18:56:11 -0400 Subject: Coding unintelligible language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2@andrew.cmu.edu> Dear Elnaz, Yes, it is okay to use repetitions of xxx, if you want to mark the fact that several words are unintelligible. Many analyses exclude sentences with unintelligible segments, so it doesn’t really matter in such cases whether you have just xxx or xxx xxx. However, representing how many words are missing might be helpful when listening to the audio. — Brian MacWhinney Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I have a question about coding unintelligible language with xxx. Here is my understanding based on the 2020 CHAT instruction manual (MacWhinney, 2020): > > - If a complete utterance is fully unintelligible, I should mark the utterance with xxx. > - If I am able to tell the number of words that are unintelligible, then I should use that many strings of xxx. For instance, if the utterance is “I am a teacher” and I can only get the “I am” part, but I hear 2 other words that are unintelligible, then I should code the sentence like this: > “I am xxx xxx.” > - I can use as many xxx strings as I want for the number of words that are unintelligible. > > Would you confirm my understandings? > > Thank you, > Elnaz > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > University of Utah > LinkedIn > Personal Website > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DtooCufRurstuPt6qfdDFUz35EzS%2BFoawKjf6UhgPTBA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2%40andrew.cmu.edu. From ek325 at nau.edu Fri Apr 23 12:51:06 2021 From: ek325 at nau.edu (Elnaz Kia) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 09:51:06 -0700 Subject: Coding unintelligible language In-Reply-To: <255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: Dear Brian, Thank you so much for your prompt and helpful response. I do have one more question. *Is there a way to batch edit CHAT files? *For instance, my transcribers used different ways to code unintelligible utterances and I want them to revise those instances to assure consistency in coding. However, they have already transcribed hundreds of files and it is really time-consuming to go back and edit them one by one. I would really appreciate any help or guidance on that. Thank you, Elnaz Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) *Post-Doctoral Research Associate * Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) University of Utah LinkedIn Personal Website On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:56 PM Brian Macwhinney wrote: > Dear Elnaz, > > Yes, it is okay to use repetitions of xxx, if you want to mark the > fact that several words are unintelligible. Many analyses exclude > sentences with unintelligible segments, so it doesn’t really matter in such > cases whether you have just xxx or xxx xxx. However, representing how many > words are missing might be helpful when listening to the audio. > > — Brian MacWhinney > Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, > Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > > > > > On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have a question about coding unintelligible language with xxx. Here is > my understanding based on the 2020 CHAT instruction manual (MacWhinney, > 2020): > > > > - If a complete utterance is fully unintelligible, I should mark the > utterance with xxx. > > - If I am able to tell the number of words that are unintelligible, then > I should use that many strings of xxx. For instance, if the utterance is “I > am a teacher” and I can only get the “I am” part, but I hear 2 other words > that are unintelligible, then I should code the sentence like this: > > “I am xxx xxx.” > > - I can use as many xxx strings as I want for the number of words that > are unintelligible. > > > > Would you confirm my understandings? > > > > Thank you, > > Elnaz > > > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > > University of Utah > > LinkedIn > > Personal Website > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "chibolts" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DtooCufRurstuPt6qfdDFUz35EzS%2BFoawKjf6UhgPTBA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2%40andrew.cmu.edu > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DLswfevu_ADM%3DHCozFBvEm%3DiWFNmiyhNAM-xdkvzVLQQ%40mail.gmail.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macw at andrew.cmu.edu Fri Apr 23 16:55:37 2021 From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian Macwhinney) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 16:55:37 -0400 Subject: Coding unintelligible language In-Reply-To: References: <255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <65D6C8A6-0C2E-4D75-8974-9B001E04D4F7@andrew.cmu.edu> Dear Elnaz, It seems that you are talking about doing global changes across a collection of files. If the changes are simple, you can use the CHSTRING program. Howe However, for more complex changes, I use BBEdit and there are also some other editor programs such as SublimeEdit and Atom. I have never tried Atom, but is gets good reviews. — Brian MacWhinney Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > On Apr 23, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > Dear Brian, > > Thank you so much for your prompt and helpful response. I do have one more question. Is there a way to batch edit CHAT files? For instance, my transcribers used different ways to code unintelligible utterances and I want them to revise those instances to assure consistency in coding. However, they have already transcribed hundreds of files and it is really time-consuming to go back and edit them one by one. > > I would really appreciate any help or guidance on that. > > Thank you, > Elnaz > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > University of Utah > LinkedIn > Personal Website > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:56 PM Brian Macwhinney wrote: > Dear Elnaz, > > Yes, it is okay to use repetitions of xxx, if you want to mark the fact that several words are unintelligible. Many analyses exclude sentences with unintelligible segments, so it doesn’t really matter in such cases whether you have just xxx or xxx xxx. However, representing how many words are missing might be helpful when listening to the audio. > > — Brian MacWhinney > Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, > Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > > > > > On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have a question about coding unintelligible language with xxx. Here is my understanding based on the 2020 CHAT instruction manual (MacWhinney, 2020): > > > > - If a complete utterance is fully unintelligible, I should mark the utterance with xxx. > > - If I am able to tell the number of words that are unintelligible, then I should use that many strings of xxx. For instance, if the utterance is “I am a teacher” and I can only get the “I am” part, but I hear 2 other words that are unintelligible, then I should code the sentence like this: > > “I am xxx xxx.” > > - I can use as many xxx strings as I want for the number of words that are unintelligible. > > > > Would you confirm my understandings? > > > > Thank you, > > Elnaz > > > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > > University of Utah > > LinkedIn > > Personal Website > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DtooCufRurstuPt6qfdDFUz35EzS%2BFoawKjf6UhgPTBA%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2%40andrew.cmu.edu. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DLswfevu_ADM%3DHCozFBvEm%3DiWFNmiyhNAM-xdkvzVLQQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/65D6C8A6-0C2E-4D75-8974-9B001E04D4F7%40andrew.cmu.edu. From ek325 at nau.edu Fri Apr 23 17:08:16 2021 From: ek325 at nau.edu (Elnaz Kia) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 14:08:16 -0700 Subject: Coding unintelligible language In-Reply-To: <65D6C8A6-0C2E-4D75-8974-9B001E04D4F7@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2@andrew.cmu.edu> <65D6C8A6-0C2E-4D75-8974-9B001E04D4F7@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: Dear Brian, Thanks again for your response. I will try these out and see what I can do. Have a great weekend! Elnaz Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) *Post-Doctoral Research Associate * Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) University of Utah LinkedIn Personal Website On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 1:55 PM Brian Macwhinney wrote: > Dear Elnaz, > > It seems that you are talking about doing global changes across a > collection of files. If the changes are simple, you can use the CHSTRING > program. Howe However, for more complex changes, I use BBEdit and there are > also some other editor programs such as SublimeEdit and Atom. I have never > tried Atom, but is gets good reviews. > > — Brian MacWhinney > Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, > Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > > > > > On Apr 23, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > > > Dear Brian, > > > > Thank you so much for your prompt and helpful response. I do have one > more question. Is there a way to batch edit CHAT files? For instance, my > transcribers used different ways to code unintelligible utterances and I > want them to revise those instances to assure consistency in coding. > However, they have already transcribed hundreds of files and it is really > time-consuming to go back and edit them one by one. > > > > I would really appreciate any help or guidance on that. > > > > Thank you, > > Elnaz > > > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > > University of Utah > > LinkedIn > > Personal Website > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:56 PM Brian Macwhinney > wrote: > > Dear Elnaz, > > > > Yes, it is okay to use repetitions of xxx, if you want to mark the > fact that several words are unintelligible. Many analyses exclude > sentences with unintelligible segments, so it doesn’t really matter in such > cases whether you have just xxx or xxx xxx. However, representing how many > words are missing might be helpful when listening to the audio. > > > > — Brian MacWhinney > > Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, > > Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I have a question about coding unintelligible language with xxx. Here > is my understanding based on the 2020 CHAT instruction manual (MacWhinney, > 2020): > > > > > > - If a complete utterance is fully unintelligible, I should mark the > utterance with xxx. > > > - If I am able to tell the number of words that are unintelligible, > then I should use that many strings of xxx. For instance, if the utterance > is “I am a teacher” and I can only get the “I am” part, but I hear 2 other > words that are unintelligible, then I should code the sentence like this: > > > “I am xxx xxx.” > > > - I can use as many xxx strings as I want for the number of words that > are unintelligible. > > > > > > Would you confirm my understandings? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Elnaz > > > > > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > > > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > > > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > > > University of Utah > > > LinkedIn > > > Personal Website > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "chibolts" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DtooCufRurstuPt6qfdDFUz35EzS%2BFoawKjf6UhgPTBA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "chibolts" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2%40andrew.cmu.edu > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "chibolts" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DLswfevu_ADM%3DHCozFBvEm%3DiWFNmiyhNAM-xdkvzVLQQ%40mail.gmail.com > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. 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URL: From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu Wed Apr 28 14:37:01 2021 From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:37:01 -0400 Subject: trouble with "@e:" code - error message In-Reply-To: <1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn@googlegroups.com> References: <1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A@andrew.cmu.edu> Hi Grace, The official version of @e is just that, without any colon characters and other extensions. If you use simple @e, then you need to change your @e: version to @e without colon character. If you extending the @e functionality by adding more information to it such as @e:a, then you need to customize all places in App to recognize this deviation from the official version of @e. You have already made changes to sf.cut file in eng MOR. But, as the error message that you are getting suggests you need to make appropriate change to depfile.cut as well. depfile.cut is located in clan/lib/ directory. Depending on the system you are using it could be in either /Applications/clan/lib or in C:\TalkBank\clan\lib. Open depfile.cut search for @e and make the same change you made in sf.cut file. Leonid. > On Apr 28, 2021, at 13:27, Grace Mooradian wrote: > > Hello, > > I am using the "@e:" code to get a spread sheet and a list of words with that code. However, I am getting the following error message when I check my transcripts: "undeclared special form marker in depfile" > > Additionally, I modified the sf.cut file that is in the eng folder of MOR, so it has * next to the "e" in *@e skip so that it looks like this -- *@e* skip. But, I still get the error message. > > Thank you in advance for your guidance! > > Best, > Grace > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn%40googlegroups.com . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A%40andrew.cmu.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graceem at bu.edu Wed Apr 28 14:43:15 2021 From: graceem at bu.edu (Grace Mooradian) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:43:15 -0400 Subject: trouble with "@e:" code - error message In-Reply-To: <5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn@googlegroups.com> <5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <0B4C661B-85AB-4084-B2CA-8F7923995BBB@bu.edu> Hi Leonid, The full codes were are using are @e:tu and @e:lc. From what I understand, to make those codes work, I just need to make the same changes I did in the sf.cut file to the depfile.cut. Am I understanding this correctly? Thank you! Grace > On Apr 28, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Leonid Spektor wrote: > > Hi Grace, > > The official version of @e is just that, without any colon characters and other extensions. If you use simple @e, then you need to change your @e: version to @e without colon character. If you extending the @e functionality by adding more information to it such as @e:a, then you need to customize all places in App to recognize this deviation from the official version of @e. You have already made changes to sf.cut file in eng MOR. But, as the error message that you are getting suggests you need to make appropriate change to depfile.cut as well. depfile.cut is located in clan/lib/ directory. Depending on the system you are using it could be in either /Applications/clan/lib or in C:\TalkBank\clan\lib. Open depfile.cut search for @e and make the same change you made in sf.cut file. > > > Leonid. > >> On Apr 28, 2021, at 13:27, Grace Mooradian > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I am using the "@e:" code to get a spread sheet and a list of words with that code. However, I am getting the following error message when I check my transcripts: "undeclared special form marker in depfile" >> >> Additionally, I modified the sf.cut file that is in the eng folder of MOR, so it has * next to the "e" in *@e skip so that it looks like this -- *@e* skip. But, I still get the error message. >> >> Thank you in advance for your guidance! >> >> Best, >> Grace >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn%40googlegroups.com . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A%40andrew.cmu.edu . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0B4C661B-85AB-4084-B2CA-8F7923995BBB%40bu.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu Wed Apr 28 15:02:38 2021 From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 15:02:38 -0400 Subject: trouble with "@e:" code - error message In-Reply-To: <0B4C661B-85AB-4084-B2CA-8F7923995BBB@bu.edu> References: <1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn@googlegroups.com> <5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A@andrew.cmu.edu> <0B4C661B-85AB-4084-B2CA-8F7923995BBB@bu.edu> Message-ID: Yes, you understand this correctly. Leonid. > On Apr 28, 2021, at 14:43, Grace Mooradian wrote: > > Hi Leonid, > > The full codes were are using are @e:tu and @e:lc. From what I understand, to make those codes work, I just need to make the same changes I did in the sf.cut file to the depfile.cut. Am I understanding this correctly? Thank you! > > Grace > >> On Apr 28, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Leonid Spektor > wrote: >> >> Hi Grace, >> >> The official version of @e is just that, without any colon characters and other extensions. If you use simple @e, then you need to change your @e: version to @e without colon character. If you extending the @e functionality by adding more information to it such as @e:a, then you need to customize all places in App to recognize this deviation from the official version of @e. You have already made changes to sf.cut file in eng MOR. But, as the error message that you are getting suggests you need to make appropriate change to depfile.cut as well. depfile.cut is located in clan/lib/ directory. Depending on the system you are using it could be in either /Applications/clan/lib or in C:\TalkBank\clan\lib. Open depfile.cut search for @e and make the same change you made in sf.cut file. >> >> >> Leonid. >> >>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 13:27, Grace Mooradian > wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am using the "@e:" code to get a spread sheet and a list of words with that code. However, I am getting the following error message when I check my transcripts: "undeclared special form marker in depfile" >>> >>> Additionally, I modified the sf.cut file that is in the eng folder of MOR, so it has * next to the "e" in *@e skip so that it looks like this -- *@e* skip. But, I still get the error message. >>> >>> Thank you in advance for your guidance! >>> >>> Best, >>> Grace >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn%40googlegroups.com . >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A%40andrew.cmu.edu . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0B4C661B-85AB-4084-B2CA-8F7923995BBB%40bu.edu . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/D8818377-4323-4471-90BE-86A00D2671D6%40andrew.cmu.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lhall046 at fiu.edu Fri Apr 30 12:12:17 2021 From: lhall046 at fiu.edu (LaTreese) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lemmatized types and tokens for specific tags? Message-ID: <628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n@googlegroups.com> Hello there! This may be an easy issue to solve, but I cannot figure it out. I have relatively little experience with CLAN so please be gentle. I have several different tags in my transcripts (e.g., @z:shp to denote shape words). So, in the transcript, "square" and "squares" would be coded as *square at z:shp* and *squares at z:shp* , respectively. However when I try to analyze them for types and tokens, different forms of the same stem are being counted as two different types (e.g., square and squares counted as 2 types). I am currently using this command to get types and tokens of all of my different categories: *freq +s*@z:* * I read in the manual that I should create a MOR line to be able to run types and tokens on lemmas so that "square" and "squares" are counted as one type. I did this, but now my tags are not available on the MOR line. Is there a way to get the lemmatized type and token counts for specific tags? Thank you so much! LaTreese Hall Florida International University -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n%40googlegroups.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu Fri Apr 30 15:08:53 2021 From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:08:53 -0400 Subject: Lemmatized types and tokens for specific tags? In-Reply-To: <628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n@googlegroups.com> References: <628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <958FB752-CD6D-4128-B9F9-2BB9C35E43C3@andrew.cmu.edu> Hi, The plain command freq +s*@z:* will not work, because words square and squares have different spelling. If you want both of those words counted as one type, then you need to run lemmas, i.e. stems only, search on %mor tier. To create %mor tier in your data files you need to get appropriate language grammar from the web first. It looks like you are working with English language data files, so to get the English grammar you need to start CLAN and to select menu "File->Get MOR Grammar->English - eng". This will download the grammar to your computer. After that you need to run MOR command on your data files. In "Commands" window type command mor *.cha. This assumes your data filenames end with .cha file extension. When MOR command is finished and doesn't find any words that it can not identify, then you can use the following command to find what you want: freq +d7 +s*@z:* +sm;*,o% Leonid. > On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:12, LaTreese wrote: > > Hello there! > > This may be an easy issue to solve, but I cannot figure it out. I have relatively little experience with CLAN so please be gentle. > > I have several different tags in my transcripts (e.g., @z:shp to denote shape words). So, in the transcript, "square" and "squares" would be coded as square at z:shp and squares at z:shp , respectively. However when I try to analyze them for types and tokens, different forms of the same stem are being counted as two different types (e.g., square and squares counted as 2 types). > > I am currently using this command to get types and tokens of all of my different categories: > freq +s*@z:* > > I read in the manual that I should create a MOR line to be able to run types and tokens on lemmas so that "square" and "squares" are counted as one type. I did this, but now my tags are not available on the MOR line. > > Is there a way to get the lemmatized type and token counts for specific tags? > > Thank you so much! > > LaTreese Hall > Florida International University > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n%40googlegroups.com . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/958FB752-CD6D-4128-B9F9-2BB9C35E43C3%40andrew.cmu.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lhall046 at fiu.edu Fri Apr 30 15:27:52 2021 From: lhall046 at fiu.edu (LaTreese Hall) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 14:27:52 -0500 Subject: Lemmatized types and tokens for specific tags? In-Reply-To: <958FB752-CD6D-4128-B9F9-2BB9C35E43C3@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n@googlegroups.com> <958FB752-CD6D-4128-B9F9-2BB9C35E43C3@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <6163D3AB-5688-439C-BC19-D6A1FB9302F9@fiu.edu> Hello Leonid, Thank you for responding! I had done all of this but it was still counting singular and plural form of the same word as two different types. This is what the output looks like when I run freq +d7 +s*@z:* +sm;*,o% 1 circle 1 circle at z:shp 1 circles 1 circles at z:shp 1 square 1 square at z:shp 1 squares 1 squares at z:shp ------------------------------ 4 Total number of different item types used 4 Total number of items (tokens) 1.000 Type/Token ratio Any idea of how to get Type and Token info for the lemmas? So that the above output indicates 2 types and 2 tokens? Thank you! LaTreese > On Apr 30, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Leonid Spektor wrote: > > Hi, > > The plain command freq +s*@z:* will not work, because words square and squares have different spelling. If you want both of those words counted as one type, then you need to run lemmas, i.e. stems only, search on %mor tier. To create %mor tier in your data files you need to get appropriate language grammar from the web first. It looks like you are working with English language data files, so to get the English grammar you need to start CLAN and to select menu "File->Get MOR Grammar->English - eng". This will download the grammar to your computer. After that you need to run MOR command on your data files. In "Commands" window type command mor *.cha. This assumes your data filenames end with .cha file extension. When MOR command is finished and doesn't find any words that it can not identify, then you can use the following command to find what you want: > > freq +d7 +s*@z:* +sm;*,o% > > > Leonid. > >> On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:12, LaTreese > wrote: >> >> Hello there! >> >> This may be an easy issue to solve, but I cannot figure it out. I have relatively little experience with CLAN so please be gentle. >> >> I have several different tags in my transcripts (e.g., @z:shp to denote shape words). So, in the transcript, "square" and "squares" would be coded as square at z:shp and squares at z:shp , respectively. However when I try to analyze them for types and tokens, different forms of the same stem are being counted as two different types (e.g., square and squares counted as 2 types). >> >> I am currently using this command to get types and tokens of all of my different categories: >> freq +s*@z:* >> >> I read in the manual that I should create a MOR line to be able to run types and tokens on lemmas so that "square" and "squares" are counted as one type. I did this, but now my tags are not available on the MOR line. >> >> Is there a way to get the lemmatized type and token counts for specific tags? >> >> Thank you so much! >> >> LaTreese Hall >> Florida International University >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n%40googlegroups.com . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/chibolts/2lAUOxAbURA/unsubscribe . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/958FB752-CD6D-4128-B9F9-2BB9C35E43C3%40andrew.cmu.edu . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. 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Thank you for your time, Macarena -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n%40googlegroups.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davisue00 at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 14:05:46 2021 From: davisue00 at gmail.com (Davida Fromm) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:05:46 -0400 Subject: EVAL command In-Reply-To: <0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n@googlegroups.com> References: <0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Dear Macarena, You can add +u to the EVAL command to send all the output to just one file. To learn more about EVAL command options (and options for any CLAN command) you can just type the command by itself in the Commands window and hit return. Then you'll see a list of all the switches you can add to the command to do what you want. Hope that helps, Davida On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM Macarena Quiroga < macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > Thank you for accepting me. I'm using the EVAL command in a series of > files, and I was wondering if there is a way to use EVAL on all the > participants at the same time. I would like to have a unified spreadsheet > with the EVAL results of all the participants of the transcript. > I've read the manual but I couldn't find the answer (I'm still new to > CLAN, so maybe I missed it). > Thank you for your time, > Macarena > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n%40googlegroups.com > > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CALtWWx1CqQQxMMetonS5eLHFigVecE-%3D_MrBMkEJYBaO4ajHdQ%40mail.gmail.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 15:18:48 2021 From: macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com (Macarena Quiroga) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:18:48 -0300 Subject: EVAL command In-Reply-To: References: <0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Hi Davida, Thank you so much for your help. I tried that, but it only allows me to select one participant at a time, and I'm trying to run EVAL to all participants in a single transcript. Is there a way to do so? Thanks again, M. -- Macarena Sol Quiroga Lic. y Prof. en Ense?anza Media y Superior en Letras (UBA) Instituto de Educaci?n (UNaHur) CIIPME - CONICET El lun, 12 abr 2021 a las 11:06, Davida Fromm () escribi?: > Dear Macarena, > > You can add +u to the EVAL command to send all the output to just one > file. > To learn more about EVAL command options (and options for any CLAN > command) you can just type the command by itself in the Commands window and > hit return. Then you'll see a list of all the switches you can add to the > command to do what you want. > > Hope that helps, > Davida > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM Macarena Quiroga < > macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> Thank you for accepting me. I'm using the EVAL command in a series of >> files, and I was wondering if there is a way to use EVAL on all the >> participants at the same time. I would like to have a unified spreadsheet >> with the EVAL results of all the participants of the transcript. >> I've read the manual but I couldn't find the answer (I'm still new to >> CLAN, so maybe I missed it). >> Thank you for your time, >> Macarena >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n%40googlegroups.com >> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/chibolts/RFy-4tC9rPw/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CALtWWx1CqQQxMMetonS5eLHFigVecE-%3D_MrBMkEJYBaO4ajHdQ%40mail.gmail.com > > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CANcNhDb7_ddegxo4EwV%2B6%3DdUo_SKjpn%3D_mXqKRrBLNWavEoMqA%40mail.gmail.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Apr 12 15:53:16 2021 From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:53:16 -0400 Subject: EVAL command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Macarena, Try the +t* option instead of full speaker code. Leonid~ > On Apr 12, 2021, at 11:19, Macarena Quiroga wrote: > > ? > Hi Davida, > Thank you so much for your help. I tried that, but it only allows me to select one participant at a time, and I'm trying to run EVAL to all participants in a single transcript. Is there a way to do so? > Thanks again, > M. > -- > Macarena Sol Quiroga > Lic. y Prof. en Ense?anza Media y Superior en Letras (UBA) > Instituto de Educaci?n (UNaHur) > CIIPME - CONICET > > > >> El lun, 12 abr 2021 a las 11:06, Davida Fromm () escribi?: >> Dear Macarena, >> >> You can add +u to the EVAL command to send all the output to just one file. >> To learn more about EVAL command options (and options for any CLAN command) you can just type the command by itself in the Commands window and hit return. Then you'll see a list of all the switches you can add to the command to do what you want. >> >> Hope that helps, >> Davida >> >>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM Macarena Quiroga wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> Thank you for accepting me. I'm using the EVAL command in a series of files, and I was wondering if there is a way to use EVAL on all the participants at the same time. I would like to have a unified spreadsheet with the EVAL results of all the participants of the transcript. >>> I've read the manual but I couldn't find the answer (I'm still new to CLAN, so maybe I missed it). >>> Thank you for your time, >>> Macarena >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n%40googlegroups.com. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/chibolts/RFy-4tC9rPw/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CALtWWx1CqQQxMMetonS5eLHFigVecE-%3D_MrBMkEJYBaO4ajHdQ%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CANcNhDb7_ddegxo4EwV%2B6%3DdUo_SKjpn%3D_mXqKRrBLNWavEoMqA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. 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N Nan Bernstein Ratner, F-, H-ASHA, F-AAAS, ABCLD Professor Hearing and Speech Sciences University of Maryland 0100 Lefrak Hall College Park, MD 20742 nratner at umd.edu, 301-405-4217 Co-director: FluencyBank (www.fluency.talkbank.org); http://languagefluency.umd.edu/ President, International Fluency Association (IFA; http://theifa.org) Director, University of Maryland Autism Research Consortium (UMARC), www.autism.umd.edu Faculty, Language Science (languagescience.umd.edu; Neuroscience & Cognitive Neuroscience (NACS, nacs.umd.edu), Developmental Science Field Committee http://hesp.umd.edu/facultyprofile/bernstein%20ratner/nan My PubMed Bibliography On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:19 AM Macarena Quiroga < macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Davida, > Thank you so much for your help. I tried that, but it only allows me to > select one participant at a time, and I'm trying to run EVAL to all > participants in a single transcript. Is there a way to do so? > Thanks again, > M. > -- > Macarena Sol Quiroga > Lic. y Prof. en Ense?anza Media y Superior en Letras (UBA) > Instituto de Educaci?n (UNaHur) > CIIPME - CONICET > > > > El lun, 12 abr 2021 a las 11:06, Davida Fromm () > escribi?: > >> Dear Macarena, >> >> You can add +u to the EVAL command to send all the output to just one >> file. >> To learn more about EVAL command options (and options for any CLAN >> command) you can just type the command by itself in the Commands window and >> hit return. Then you'll see a list of all the switches you can add to the >> command to do what you want. >> >> Hope that helps, >> Davida >> >> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM Macarena Quiroga < >> macarenasolquiroga at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> Thank you for accepting me. I'm using the EVAL command in a series of >>> files, and I was wondering if there is a way to use EVAL on all the >>> participants at the same time. I would like to have a unified spreadsheet >>> with the EVAL results of all the participants of the transcript. >>> I've read the manual but I couldn't find the answer (I'm still new to >>> CLAN, so maybe I missed it). >>> Thank you for your time, >>> Macarena >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "chibolts" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0d7a292d-25ed-4bb3-8cb6-0911de7e0193n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/chibolts/RFy-4tC9rPw/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CALtWWx1CqQQxMMetonS5eLHFigVecE-%3D_MrBMkEJYBaO4ajHdQ%40mail.gmail.com >> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CANcNhDb7_ddegxo4EwV%2B6%3DdUo_SKjpn%3D_mXqKRrBLNWavEoMqA%40mail.gmail.com > > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAAFocx4ureyu5mrdFSD-nmV%3DXsr4YBQZvzszmZ4FQrSdOPWeZw%40mail.gmail.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yrose at mun.ca Tue Apr 20 11:49:56 2021 From: yrose at mun.ca (Rose, Yvan) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:49:56 +0000 Subject: error message In-Reply-To: <3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n@googlegroups.com> References: <3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Dear Taylor, If you make sure that the name of the media file on your hard drive is the same as the name of your transcript file (except for their respective file extensions, e.g. .wav vs. .cha) everything should be fine. Kind regards, Yvan Rose On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Taylor Streander > wrote: does anyone know what this error message means and how to fix it? I thought it had something to do with attaching the video to the transcript, but that part worked just fine. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n%40googlegroups.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2021-04-20 at 7.10.16 AM.png Type: image/png Size: 557657 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tstreand at iu.edu Tue Apr 20 11:57:06 2021 From: tstreand at iu.edu (Taylor Streander) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 04:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: error message In-Reply-To: References: <3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <771e6871-b908-4a41-b7ec-16750fdc886dn@googlegroups.com> Hi Yvan, I thought that may be the issue as well, so I made them the same name. That didn't seem to work, though. Best, Taylor On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 7:50:00 AM UTC-4 Yvan Rose wrote: > Dear Taylor, > If you make sure that the name of the media file on your hard drive is the > same as the name of your transcript file (except for their respective file > extensions, e.g. .wav vs. .cha) everything should be fine. > > Kind regards, > Yvan Rose > > On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Taylor Streander wrote: > > > > does anyone know what this error message means and how to fix it? I > thought it had something to do with attaching the video to the transcript, > but that part worked just fine. 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URL: From macw at andrew.cmu.edu Tue Apr 20 13:50:03 2021 From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian Macwhinney) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 09:50:03 -0400 Subject: error message In-Reply-To: References: <3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <49C193A9-7DF5-43B6-9040-37C4258F2335@andrew.cmu.edu> Dear Taylor, Your file name includes spaces and this can often confuse CLAN and other aspects of computers. If you could give your transcript and media file a short simple name with no spaces and use that name also in the @Media line, I think that might solve your problem. ? Brian MacWhinney Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > On Apr 20, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Rose, Yvan wrote: > > Dear Taylor, > If you make sure that the name of the media file on your hard drive is the same as the name of your transcript file (except for their respective file extensions, e.g. .wav vs. .cha) everything should be fine. > > Kind regards, > Yvan Rose > >> On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Taylor Streander wrote: >> >> >> >> does anyone know what this error message means and how to fix it? I thought it had something to do with attaching the video to the transcript, but that part worked just fine. Thanks! >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n%40googlegroups.com. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/ECB804E5-163A-4DCD-A486-BCB7610A2936%40mun.ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/49C193A9-7DF5-43B6-9040-37C4258F2335%40andrew.cmu.edu. From tstreand at iu.edu Wed Apr 21 10:51:05 2021 From: tstreand at iu.edu (Taylor Streander) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 03:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: error message In-Reply-To: <49C193A9-7DF5-43B6-9040-37C4258F2335@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <3c52a1b5-cd3c-4f0c-99bc-9476c726f328n@googlegroups.com> <49C193A9-7DF5-43B6-9040-37C4258F2335@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <07584878-8f5d-485d-999b-7bb8764e29b8n@googlegroups.com> That worked! Thank you so much! On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 9:50:06 AM UTC-4 macw wrote: > Dear Taylor, > Your file name includes spaces and this can often confuse CLAN and other > aspects of computers. If you could give your transcript and media file a > short simple name with no spaces and use that name also in the @Media line, > I think that might solve your problem. > > ? Brian MacWhinney > Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, > Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > > > > > On Apr 20, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Rose, Yvan wrote: > > > > Dear Taylor, > > If you make sure that the name of the media file on your hard drive is > the same as the name of your transcript file (except for their respective > file extensions, e.g. .wav vs. .cha) everything should be fine. > > > > Kind regards, > > Yvan Rose > > > >> On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Taylor Streander wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> does anyone know what this error message means and how to fix it? I > thought it had something to do with attaching the video to the transcript, > but that part worked just fine. 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For instance, if the utterance is ?I am a teacher? and I can only get the ?I am? part, but I hear 2 other words that are unintelligible, then I should code the sentence like this: ?I am xxx xxx.? - I can use as many xxx strings as I want for the number of words that are unintelligible. Would you confirm my understandings? Thank you, Elnaz Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) *Post-Doctoral Research Associate * Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) University of Utah LinkedIn Personal Website -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DtooCufRurstuPt6qfdDFUz35EzS%2BFoawKjf6UhgPTBA%40mail.gmail.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macw at andrew.cmu.edu Thu Apr 22 22:56:11 2021 From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian Macwhinney) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 18:56:11 -0400 Subject: Coding unintelligible language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2@andrew.cmu.edu> Dear Elnaz, Yes, it is okay to use repetitions of xxx, if you want to mark the fact that several words are unintelligible. Many analyses exclude sentences with unintelligible segments, so it doesn?t really matter in such cases whether you have just xxx or xxx xxx. However, representing how many words are missing might be helpful when listening to the audio. ? Brian MacWhinney Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I have a question about coding unintelligible language with xxx. Here is my understanding based on the 2020 CHAT instruction manual (MacWhinney, 2020): > > - If a complete utterance is fully unintelligible, I should mark the utterance with xxx. > - If I am able to tell the number of words that are unintelligible, then I should use that many strings of xxx. For instance, if the utterance is ?I am a teacher? and I can only get the ?I am? part, but I hear 2 other words that are unintelligible, then I should code the sentence like this: > ?I am xxx xxx.? > - I can use as many xxx strings as I want for the number of words that are unintelligible. > > Would you confirm my understandings? > > Thank you, > Elnaz > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > University of Utah > LinkedIn > Personal Website > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DtooCufRurstuPt6qfdDFUz35EzS%2BFoawKjf6UhgPTBA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2%40andrew.cmu.edu. From ek325 at nau.edu Fri Apr 23 16:51:06 2021 From: ek325 at nau.edu (Elnaz Kia) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 09:51:06 -0700 Subject: Coding unintelligible language In-Reply-To: <255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: Dear Brian, Thank you so much for your prompt and helpful response. I do have one more question. *Is there a way to batch edit CHAT files? *For instance, my transcribers used different ways to code unintelligible utterances and I want them to revise those instances to assure consistency in coding. However, they have already transcribed hundreds of files and it is really time-consuming to go back and edit them one by one. I would really appreciate any help or guidance on that. Thank you, Elnaz Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) *Post-Doctoral Research Associate * Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) University of Utah LinkedIn Personal Website On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:56 PM Brian Macwhinney wrote: > Dear Elnaz, > > Yes, it is okay to use repetitions of xxx, if you want to mark the > fact that several words are unintelligible. Many analyses exclude > sentences with unintelligible segments, so it doesn?t really matter in such > cases whether you have just xxx or xxx xxx. However, representing how many > words are missing might be helpful when listening to the audio. > > ? Brian MacWhinney > Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, > Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > > > > > On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have a question about coding unintelligible language with xxx. Here is > my understanding based on the 2020 CHAT instruction manual (MacWhinney, > 2020): > > > > - If a complete utterance is fully unintelligible, I should mark the > utterance with xxx. > > - If I am able to tell the number of words that are unintelligible, then > I should use that many strings of xxx. For instance, if the utterance is ?I > am a teacher? and I can only get the ?I am? part, but I hear 2 other words > that are unintelligible, then I should code the sentence like this: > > ?I am xxx xxx.? > > - I can use as many xxx strings as I want for the number of words that > are unintelligible. > > > > Would you confirm my understandings? > > > > Thank you, > > Elnaz > > > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > > University of Utah > > LinkedIn > > Personal Website > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "chibolts" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DtooCufRurstuPt6qfdDFUz35EzS%2BFoawKjf6UhgPTBA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2%40andrew.cmu.edu > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DLswfevu_ADM%3DHCozFBvEm%3DiWFNmiyhNAM-xdkvzVLQQ%40mail.gmail.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macw at andrew.cmu.edu Fri Apr 23 20:55:37 2021 From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian Macwhinney) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 16:55:37 -0400 Subject: Coding unintelligible language In-Reply-To: References: <255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <65D6C8A6-0C2E-4D75-8974-9B001E04D4F7@andrew.cmu.edu> Dear Elnaz, It seems that you are talking about doing global changes across a collection of files. If the changes are simple, you can use the CHSTRING program. Howe However, for more complex changes, I use BBEdit and there are also some other editor programs such as SublimeEdit and Atom. I have never tried Atom, but is gets good reviews. ? Brian MacWhinney Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > On Apr 23, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > Dear Brian, > > Thank you so much for your prompt and helpful response. I do have one more question. Is there a way to batch edit CHAT files? For instance, my transcribers used different ways to code unintelligible utterances and I want them to revise those instances to assure consistency in coding. However, they have already transcribed hundreds of files and it is really time-consuming to go back and edit them one by one. > > I would really appreciate any help or guidance on that. > > Thank you, > Elnaz > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > University of Utah > LinkedIn > Personal Website > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:56 PM Brian Macwhinney wrote: > Dear Elnaz, > > Yes, it is okay to use repetitions of xxx, if you want to mark the fact that several words are unintelligible. Many analyses exclude sentences with unintelligible segments, so it doesn?t really matter in such cases whether you have just xxx or xxx xxx. However, representing how many words are missing might be helpful when listening to the audio. > > ? Brian MacWhinney > Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, > Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > > > > > On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have a question about coding unintelligible language with xxx. Here is my understanding based on the 2020 CHAT instruction manual (MacWhinney, 2020): > > > > - If a complete utterance is fully unintelligible, I should mark the utterance with xxx. > > - If I am able to tell the number of words that are unintelligible, then I should use that many strings of xxx. For instance, if the utterance is ?I am a teacher? and I can only get the ?I am? part, but I hear 2 other words that are unintelligible, then I should code the sentence like this: > > ?I am xxx xxx.? > > - I can use as many xxx strings as I want for the number of words that are unintelligible. > > > > Would you confirm my understandings? > > > > Thank you, > > Elnaz > > > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > > University of Utah > > LinkedIn > > Personal Website > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DtooCufRurstuPt6qfdDFUz35EzS%2BFoawKjf6UhgPTBA%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2%40andrew.cmu.edu. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DLswfevu_ADM%3DHCozFBvEm%3DiWFNmiyhNAM-xdkvzVLQQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/65D6C8A6-0C2E-4D75-8974-9B001E04D4F7%40andrew.cmu.edu. From ek325 at nau.edu Fri Apr 23 21:08:16 2021 From: ek325 at nau.edu (Elnaz Kia) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 14:08:16 -0700 Subject: Coding unintelligible language In-Reply-To: <65D6C8A6-0C2E-4D75-8974-9B001E04D4F7@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2@andrew.cmu.edu> <65D6C8A6-0C2E-4D75-8974-9B001E04D4F7@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: Dear Brian, Thanks again for your response. I will try these out and see what I can do. Have a great weekend! Elnaz Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) *Post-Doctoral Research Associate * Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) University of Utah LinkedIn Personal Website On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 1:55 PM Brian Macwhinney wrote: > Dear Elnaz, > > It seems that you are talking about doing global changes across a > collection of files. If the changes are simple, you can use the CHSTRING > program. Howe However, for more complex changes, I use BBEdit and there are > also some other editor programs such as SublimeEdit and Atom. I have never > tried Atom, but is gets good reviews. > > ? Brian MacWhinney > Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, > Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > > > > > On Apr 23, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > > > Dear Brian, > > > > Thank you so much for your prompt and helpful response. I do have one > more question. Is there a way to batch edit CHAT files? For instance, my > transcribers used different ways to code unintelligible utterances and I > want them to revise those instances to assure consistency in coding. > However, they have already transcribed hundreds of files and it is really > time-consuming to go back and edit them one by one. > > > > I would really appreciate any help or guidance on that. > > > > Thank you, > > Elnaz > > > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > > University of Utah > > LinkedIn > > Personal Website > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:56 PM Brian Macwhinney > wrote: > > Dear Elnaz, > > > > Yes, it is okay to use repetitions of xxx, if you want to mark the > fact that several words are unintelligible. Many analyses exclude > sentences with unintelligible segments, so it doesn?t really matter in such > cases whether you have just xxx or xxx xxx. However, representing how many > words are missing might be helpful when listening to the audio. > > > > ? Brian MacWhinney > > Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology, > > Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Elnaz Kia wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I have a question about coding unintelligible language with xxx. Here > is my understanding based on the 2020 CHAT instruction manual (MacWhinney, > 2020): > > > > > > - If a complete utterance is fully unintelligible, I should mark the > utterance with xxx. > > > - If I am able to tell the number of words that are unintelligible, > then I should use that many strings of xxx. For instance, if the utterance > is ?I am a teacher? and I can only get the ?I am? part, but I hear 2 other > words that are unintelligible, then I should code the sentence like this: > > > ?I am xxx xxx.? > > > - I can use as many xxx strings as I want for the number of words that > are unintelligible. > > > > > > Would you confirm my understandings? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Elnaz > > > > > > Elnaz Kia, Ph.D. (she, her, hers) > > > Post-Doctoral Research Associate > > > Second Language Teaching and Research Center (L2TReC) > > > University of Utah > > > LinkedIn > > > Personal Website > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "chibolts" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DtooCufRurstuPt6qfdDFUz35EzS%2BFoawKjf6UhgPTBA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "chibolts" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/255E3C18-F502-4047-8B68-21BFB0A921B2%40andrew.cmu.edu > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "chibolts" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/CAOwOJY%3DLswfevu_ADM%3DHCozFBvEm%3DiWFNmiyhNAM-xdkvzVLQQ%40mail.gmail.com > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. 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But, I still get the error message. Thank you in advance for your guidance! Best, Grace -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn%40googlegroups.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu Wed Apr 28 18:37:01 2021 From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:37:01 -0400 Subject: trouble with "@e:" code - error message In-Reply-To: <1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn@googlegroups.com> References: <1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A@andrew.cmu.edu> Hi Grace, The official version of @e is just that, without any colon characters and other extensions. If you use simple @e, then you need to change your @e: version to @e without colon character. If you extending the @e functionality by adding more information to it such as @e:a, then you need to customize all places in App to recognize this deviation from the official version of @e. You have already made changes to sf.cut file in eng MOR. But, as the error message that you are getting suggests you need to make appropriate change to depfile.cut as well. depfile.cut is located in clan/lib/ directory. Depending on the system you are using it could be in either /Applications/clan/lib or in C:\TalkBank\clan\lib. Open depfile.cut search for @e and make the same change you made in sf.cut file. Leonid. > On Apr 28, 2021, at 13:27, Grace Mooradian wrote: > > Hello, > > I am using the "@e:" code to get a spread sheet and a list of words with that code. However, I am getting the following error message when I check my transcripts: "undeclared special form marker in depfile" > > Additionally, I modified the sf.cut file that is in the eng folder of MOR, so it has * next to the "e" in *@e skip so that it looks like this -- *@e* skip. But, I still get the error message. > > Thank you in advance for your guidance! > > Best, > Grace > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn%40googlegroups.com . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A%40andrew.cmu.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graceem at bu.edu Wed Apr 28 18:43:15 2021 From: graceem at bu.edu (Grace Mooradian) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:43:15 -0400 Subject: trouble with "@e:" code - error message In-Reply-To: <5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn@googlegroups.com> <5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <0B4C661B-85AB-4084-B2CA-8F7923995BBB@bu.edu> Hi Leonid, The full codes were are using are @e:tu and @e:lc. From what I understand, to make those codes work, I just need to make the same changes I did in the sf.cut file to the depfile.cut. Am I understanding this correctly? Thank you! Grace > On Apr 28, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Leonid Spektor wrote: > > Hi Grace, > > The official version of @e is just that, without any colon characters and other extensions. If you use simple @e, then you need to change your @e: version to @e without colon character. If you extending the @e functionality by adding more information to it such as @e:a, then you need to customize all places in App to recognize this deviation from the official version of @e. You have already made changes to sf.cut file in eng MOR. But, as the error message that you are getting suggests you need to make appropriate change to depfile.cut as well. depfile.cut is located in clan/lib/ directory. Depending on the system you are using it could be in either /Applications/clan/lib or in C:\TalkBank\clan\lib. Open depfile.cut search for @e and make the same change you made in sf.cut file. > > > Leonid. > >> On Apr 28, 2021, at 13:27, Grace Mooradian > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I am using the "@e:" code to get a spread sheet and a list of words with that code. However, I am getting the following error message when I check my transcripts: "undeclared special form marker in depfile" >> >> Additionally, I modified the sf.cut file that is in the eng folder of MOR, so it has * next to the "e" in *@e skip so that it looks like this -- *@e* skip. But, I still get the error message. >> >> Thank you in advance for your guidance! >> >> Best, >> Grace >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn%40googlegroups.com . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A%40andrew.cmu.edu . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0B4C661B-85AB-4084-B2CA-8F7923995BBB%40bu.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu Wed Apr 28 19:02:38 2021 From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 15:02:38 -0400 Subject: trouble with "@e:" code - error message In-Reply-To: <0B4C661B-85AB-4084-B2CA-8F7923995BBB@bu.edu> References: <1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn@googlegroups.com> <5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A@andrew.cmu.edu> <0B4C661B-85AB-4084-B2CA-8F7923995BBB@bu.edu> Message-ID: Yes, you understand this correctly. Leonid. > On Apr 28, 2021, at 14:43, Grace Mooradian wrote: > > Hi Leonid, > > The full codes were are using are @e:tu and @e:lc. From what I understand, to make those codes work, I just need to make the same changes I did in the sf.cut file to the depfile.cut. Am I understanding this correctly? Thank you! > > Grace > >> On Apr 28, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Leonid Spektor > wrote: >> >> Hi Grace, >> >> The official version of @e is just that, without any colon characters and other extensions. If you use simple @e, then you need to change your @e: version to @e without colon character. If you extending the @e functionality by adding more information to it such as @e:a, then you need to customize all places in App to recognize this deviation from the official version of @e. You have already made changes to sf.cut file in eng MOR. But, as the error message that you are getting suggests you need to make appropriate change to depfile.cut as well. depfile.cut is located in clan/lib/ directory. Depending on the system you are using it could be in either /Applications/clan/lib or in C:\TalkBank\clan\lib. Open depfile.cut search for @e and make the same change you made in sf.cut file. >> >> >> Leonid. >> >>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 13:27, Grace Mooradian > wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am using the "@e:" code to get a spread sheet and a list of words with that code. However, I am getting the following error message when I check my transcripts: "undeclared special form marker in depfile" >>> >>> Additionally, I modified the sf.cut file that is in the eng folder of MOR, so it has * next to the "e" in *@e skip so that it looks like this -- *@e* skip. But, I still get the error message. >>> >>> Thank you in advance for your guidance! >>> >>> Best, >>> Grace >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/1ecd5589-3ccf-43db-ac02-83dd05e99ebcn%40googlegroups.com . >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/5E05F6B9-3779-441B-9CC0-AC632920105A%40andrew.cmu.edu . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/0B4C661B-85AB-4084-B2CA-8F7923995BBB%40bu.edu . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/D8818377-4323-4471-90BE-86A00D2671D6%40andrew.cmu.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lhall046 at fiu.edu Fri Apr 30 16:12:17 2021 From: lhall046 at fiu.edu (LaTreese) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lemmatized types and tokens for specific tags? Message-ID: <628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n@googlegroups.com> Hello there! This may be an easy issue to solve, but I cannot figure it out. I have relatively little experience with CLAN so please be gentle. I have several different tags in my transcripts (e.g., @z:shp to denote shape words). So, in the transcript, "square" and "squares" would be coded as *square at z:shp* and *squares at z:shp* , respectively. However when I try to analyze them for types and tokens, different forms of the same stem are being counted as two different types (e.g., square and squares counted as 2 types). I am currently using this command to get types and tokens of all of my different categories: *freq +s*@z:* * I read in the manual that I should create a MOR line to be able to run types and tokens on lemmas so that "square" and "squares" are counted as one type. I did this, but now my tags are not available on the MOR line. Is there a way to get the lemmatized type and token counts for specific tags? Thank you so much! LaTreese Hall Florida International University -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n%40googlegroups.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spektor at andrew.cmu.edu Fri Apr 30 19:08:53 2021 From: spektor at andrew.cmu.edu (Leonid Spektor) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:08:53 -0400 Subject: Lemmatized types and tokens for specific tags? In-Reply-To: <628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n@googlegroups.com> References: <628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <958FB752-CD6D-4128-B9F9-2BB9C35E43C3@andrew.cmu.edu> Hi, The plain command freq +s*@z:* will not work, because words square and squares have different spelling. If you want both of those words counted as one type, then you need to run lemmas, i.e. stems only, search on %mor tier. To create %mor tier in your data files you need to get appropriate language grammar from the web first. It looks like you are working with English language data files, so to get the English grammar you need to start CLAN and to select menu "File->Get MOR Grammar->English - eng". This will download the grammar to your computer. After that you need to run MOR command on your data files. In "Commands" window type command mor *.cha. This assumes your data filenames end with .cha file extension. When MOR command is finished and doesn't find any words that it can not identify, then you can use the following command to find what you want: freq +d7 +s*@z:* +sm;*,o% Leonid. > On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:12, LaTreese wrote: > > Hello there! > > This may be an easy issue to solve, but I cannot figure it out. I have relatively little experience with CLAN so please be gentle. > > I have several different tags in my transcripts (e.g., @z:shp to denote shape words). So, in the transcript, "square" and "squares" would be coded as square at z:shp and squares at z:shp , respectively. However when I try to analyze them for types and tokens, different forms of the same stem are being counted as two different types (e.g., square and squares counted as 2 types). > > I am currently using this command to get types and tokens of all of my different categories: > freq +s*@z:* > > I read in the manual that I should create a MOR line to be able to run types and tokens on lemmas so that "square" and "squares" are counted as one type. I did this, but now my tags are not available on the MOR line. > > Is there a way to get the lemmatized type and token counts for specific tags? > > Thank you so much! > > LaTreese Hall > Florida International University > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n%40googlegroups.com . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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This is what the output looks like when I run freq +d7 +s*@z:* +sm;*,o% 1 circle 1 circle at z:shp 1 circles 1 circles at z:shp 1 square 1 square at z:shp 1 squares 1 squares at z:shp ------------------------------ 4 Total number of different item types used 4 Total number of items (tokens) 1.000 Type/Token ratio Any idea of how to get Type and Token info for the lemmas? So that the above output indicates 2 types and 2 tokens? Thank you! LaTreese > On Apr 30, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Leonid Spektor wrote: > > Hi, > > The plain command freq +s*@z:* will not work, because words square and squares have different spelling. If you want both of those words counted as one type, then you need to run lemmas, i.e. stems only, search on %mor tier. To create %mor tier in your data files you need to get appropriate language grammar from the web first. It looks like you are working with English language data files, so to get the English grammar you need to start CLAN and to select menu "File->Get MOR Grammar->English - eng". This will download the grammar to your computer. After that you need to run MOR command on your data files. In "Commands" window type command mor *.cha. This assumes your data filenames end with .cha file extension. When MOR command is finished and doesn't find any words that it can not identify, then you can use the following command to find what you want: > > freq +d7 +s*@z:* +sm;*,o% > > > Leonid. > >> On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:12, LaTreese > wrote: >> >> Hello there! >> >> This may be an easy issue to solve, but I cannot figure it out. I have relatively little experience with CLAN so please be gentle. >> >> I have several different tags in my transcripts (e.g., @z:shp to denote shape words). So, in the transcript, "square" and "squares" would be coded as square at z:shp and squares at z:shp , respectively. However when I try to analyze them for types and tokens, different forms of the same stem are being counted as two different types (e.g., square and squares counted as 2 types). >> >> I am currently using this command to get types and tokens of all of my different categories: >> freq +s*@z:* >> >> I read in the manual that I should create a MOR line to be able to run types and tokens on lemmas so that "square" and "squares" are counted as one type. I did this, but now my tags are not available on the MOR line. >> >> Is there a way to get the lemmatized type and token counts for specific tags? >> >> Thank you so much! >> >> LaTreese Hall >> Florida International University >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/628a167c-ada8-4df7-8c91-19b0933f0743n%40googlegroups.com . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "chibolts" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/chibolts/2lAUOxAbURA/unsubscribe . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to chibolts+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/chibolts/958FB752-CD6D-4128-B9F9-2BB9C35E43C3%40andrew.cmu.edu . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group. 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