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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the clarification. I just wanted to know if the compound marker and the linkage symbol work differently in order to explain them to students in my class. I am not serious about calculating MLUs on main tiers, too. I teach them how to run MOR and MLU on %mor after teaching how to calculate MLUs on main tiers simply because they seem to understand what MOR does better.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yuriko<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brian MacWhinney [mailto:macw@cmu.edu] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> chibolts@googlegroups.com; Yuriko Oshima-Takane<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: linkage symbol and compound marker<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Yuriko,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> The plus is used to mark the pieces of real compounds that are created by productive compounding<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>processes. The underscore is used for combinations of words or word pieces. The form Baby_Allison<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>is correct, because this is not a compound. Of course, you could also have Baby Allison with spaces,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>but having Baby_Allison reflects the unitary nature of the combination. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> In terms of MLU, I would not take any analysis that uses the main line instead of the %mor line seriously.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>However, your question is still valid in either case. For both the main and the %mor line, compounds are<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>treated as multi-morphemic. I think that decision is clearly correct. However, words with the underline are<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>treated as monomorphemic. This could be questioned. The problem is that words with the underline<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>form a real grab bag of different structures and it is not clear how to treat them all. If you wish, you could <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>change the delimiter set for MLU to include the underscore and then they would be treated as <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>multimorphemic. Or you could decide to transcribed as "Baby Allison" or even "baby Allison".<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- Brian<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Yuriko Oshima-Takane wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dear Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Could you please let me know how the linkage symbol “ _” is different from<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>the compound marker “+”? I am presently teaching the CHAT transcription and CLAN<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>programs in my course and have tried to run MLU (on main tier) and MAXWD on the<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>same transcripts with the linkage symbol (Baby_Allison) or with the compound marker<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>(Baby+Allison) to understand the difference between the two symbols.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Baby_Allison/Baby+Allison occurs 6 times in the test transcripts (please see attached).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I got slightly different MLUs as well as MAXWD output (see below). For the MAXWD, the linkage<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>symbol“_” is counted as one letter. What about MLU counts? I thought both cases are<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>counted as one morpheme word but apparently not. Please let me know why.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Baby_Allison<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> MLU +t*CHI -t%mor @<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>mlu +t*CHI -t%mor @<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mon Feb 06 19:24:38 2012<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>mlu (03-Jan-2012) is conducting analyses on:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> ONLY speaker main tiers matching: *CHI;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>****************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From file <c:\CHILDES\psyc561\data\lab12012\Alisson22testmlu#3.cha><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>MLU for Speaker: *CHI<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> MLU (xxx, yyy and www are EXCLUDED from the utterance and morpheme counts):<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Number of: utterances = 22, words = 40<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Ratio of words over utterances = 1.818<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Standard deviation = 0.936<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Baby+Allison<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> MLU +t*CHI -t%mor @<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>mlu +t*CHI -t%mor @<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mon Feb 06 19:25:10 2012<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>mlu (03-Jan-2012) is conducting analyses on:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> ONLY speaker main tiers matching: *CHI;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>****************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>From file <c:\CHILDES\PSYC561\DATA\LAB12012\Alisson22testmlu#4.cha><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>MLU for Speaker: *CHI<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> MLU (xxx, yyy and www are EXCLUDED from the utterance and morpheme counts):<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Number of: utterances = 22, words = 43<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Ratio of words over utterances = 1.955<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Standard deviation = 0.976<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> maxwd +t*mot @<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>maxwd +t*mot @<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mon Feb 06 19:41:29 2012<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>maxwd (03-Jan-2012) is conducting analyses on:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> ONLY speaker main tiers matching: *MOT;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>****************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From file <c:\CHILDES\PSYC561\DATA\LAB12012\Alisson22testmlu#3.cha><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>*** File "c:\CHILDES\PSYC561\DATA\LAB12012\Alisson22testmlu#3.cha": line 13: 12 characters long:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>baby_allison<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>*** File "c:\CHILDES\PSYC561\DATA\LAB12012\Alisson22testmlu#3.cha": line 24: 12 characters long:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>baby_allison<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>*** File "c:\CHILDES\PSYC561\DATA\LAB12012\Alisson22testmlu#3.cha": line 41: 12 characters long:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>baby_allison<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mon Feb 06 19:40:22 2012<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>maxwd (03-Jan-2012) is conducting analyses on:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> ONLY speaker main tiers matching: *MOT;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>****************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From file <c:\CHILDES\PSYC561\DATA\LAB12012\Alisson22testmlu#4.cha><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>*** File "c:\CHILDES\PSYC561\DATA\LAB12012\Alisson22testmlu#4.cha": line 13: 11 characters long:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>baby+allison<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>*** File "c:\CHILDES\PSYC561\DATA\LAB12012\Alisson22testmlu#4.cha": line 24: 11 characters long:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>baby+allison<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>*** File "c:\CHILDES\PSYC561\DATA\LAB12012\Alisson22testmlu#4.cha": line 41: 11 characters long:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>baby+allison<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span 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