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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Leonid and Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you for your great help!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We will try the command to see if MLU excluding one morpheme utterances would work for<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>our growth curve analysis. If not, we will try DSS.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yuriko<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> chibolts@googlegroups.com [mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Leonid Spektor<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> Brian MacWhinney; chibolts<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: syntactic measures for a growth curve analysis<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yuriko and Brian.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I just found an even simpler command to do the same thing:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>kwal +x2w +d +f +t%mor *.cha<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>mlu *.kwal.cex<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Leonid.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 15, 2012, at 22:11, Brian MacWhinney wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Yuriko,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> This is a recurring question for child language researchers. The idea of calculating<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>MLU based on the exclusion of all one-morpheme utterances is a nice one. In theory, I would have<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>thought that I could get KWAL to search for all utterances that contained a space using a switch such<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>as +s"* *" and then send that all to a new file or to MLU, but this doesn't work. Maybe Leonid knows how to <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>get this to work.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> Another (probably more useful) approach is to use DSS to measure later syntactic growth.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- Brian<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Yuriko Oshima-Takane wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi Brian and colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We would like to do a growth curve analysis on some syntactic measures<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>using the functional data analysis. MLU is not a good syntactic measure<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>for this analysis because it sometimes goes down like 1.56 -> 2.20 ->1.60 ->2.15.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We are wondering if MLUs excluding one morpheme utterances could be<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>used for this analysis. But we are not sure how to exclude all the one<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>morpheme utterances from the transcripts and calculate MLUs. Could you<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>please let us know how to do that? Also if you know any other syntactic<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>measure which would be good for a growth curve analysis, please let us know.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Yuriko<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group.<br>To post to this group, send email to<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com">chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>For more options, visit this group at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/chibolts?hl=en">http://groups.google.com/group/chibolts?hl=en</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "chibolts" group.<br>To post to this group, send email to chibolts@googlegroups.com.<br>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to chibolts+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.<br>For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/chibolts?hl=en.<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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