<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Bruno,<div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I am saying that MLU will count the same word coding the same way regardless of which tier this word coding is on. MLU does not distinguish between different morpheme symbols or tier they are on. All four character "-#~+” have the same count number and meaning to MLU. You can have the following on either speaker or %mor tier and even though it might look ridiculous and incomprehensible to you and any other person to MLU it will still add-up to 4 morphemes.</div><div><br></div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">*CHI:</span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">nd-a-guata-i. </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span><br style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">*CHI:</span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">nd~a#guata+i. </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span><br style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">*CHI:</span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">nd#a#guata-i. </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span><br style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">*CHI:</span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">nd~a-guata#i. </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span><br style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">*CHI:</span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">nd#a+guata-i. </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span><div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">*CHI:</span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">nd-a#guata~i. </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span></div><div><div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">*CHI:</span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span>NEG#1s#walk-NEG<span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">.</span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span></div></div><div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><font face="Helvetica">%mor:</font><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><font face="Helvetica">NEG#1s#walk-NEG<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span></font><span style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span></div><font face="Helvetica">%mor:</font><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; white-space: pre;"> </span><font face="Helvetica">NEG-1s-walk-NEG.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span></font><span style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span><br style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><div style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><font face="Helvetica"></font><font face="Helvetica">%mor:</font><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; white-space: pre;"> </span><font face="Helvetica">NEG+1s~walk#NEG.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span></font><span style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span><br style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><div style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><font face="Helvetica"></font><font face="Helvetica">%mor:</font><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; white-space: pre;"> </span><font face="Helvetica">NEG-1s#walk~NEG<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span></font><span style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span><br style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><div style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><font face="Helvetica"></font><font face="Helvetica">%mor:</font><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; white-space: pre;"> </span><font face="Helvetica">NEG~1s#walk-NEG<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span></font><span style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span><br style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><div style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><font face="Helvetica"></font></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font face="Helvetica">%mor:</font><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; orphans: auto; widows: auto;">nd-a-guata-i</span><font face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span></font><span style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;">= 4 morphemes</span></div><div><span style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><br></span></div><font face="Helvetica"></font></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><div style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"></div></span></div></span></div></span></span></div><font face="Helvetica"></font><div><font face="Helvetica">Leonid.</font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br></div></div></span></div></span></span></div></span></div></span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:38, Bruno Estigarribia <<a href="mailto:brunilda@gmail.com">brunilda@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thank you Leonid. So, are you saying
that to have mlu count a circumfix as ONE morpheme instead of two,
one MUST use the %mor tier, so mlu can put together the two
occurrences of NEG? If so, does that happen automatically or does
one have to give mlu particular instructions?<br>
Thanks,<br>
Bruno<br>
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Bruno,
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looks for the follow four characters to count morphemes: "-#~+”.
I addition the word itself is also counted as one morpheme. In
you examples “NEG#1s#walk-NEG” and "nd-a-guata-i" MLU would
count 4 morphemes, regardless of whether those words are on main
speaker tier or on %mor tier. I would however recommend coding
Guaraní language words on %mor tier, since you have to do it by
hand anyway, because the Spanish words will be coded on %mor
tier and it is easier to search and analyze the same kind of
data if it is located in the same place for all languages.</div>
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Leonid.</div>
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<div>On Nov 14, 2013, at 09:46, Bruno Estigarribia <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:brunilda@gmail.com">brunilda@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello all!<br>
<br>
I am analyzing a corpus of code-switching between Spanish
and Guaraní.<br>
While we prepare a better version using a %mor tier
(mostly done by hand, obviously, since I don't think we
have lib files for Guaraní :-) ), I have been doing some
quick "old-style" morphemization on the main tier (which I
believe will still work with MLU as long as I include the
-t%mor switch, right?).<br>
Then a question came up: how does mlu treat circumfixes?
Example, the Guaraní negation nd-...-i as in:<br>
nd-a-guata-i<br>
NEG#1s#walk-NEG<br>
"I don't walk"<br>
I obviously don't want to count nd# and -i separately...<br>
I couldn't find the answer on either the CHAT or the CLAN
manuals, or on this list. Sorry if I've missed something!<br>
Thanks!<br>
Bruno<br>
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