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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Brian,<br>
As usual, you are a step ahead. It is true that at least in this
corpus, the circumfix doesn't always appear "complete". Sometimes
only the suffixal part -i is present, with "no" from Spanish
before the root. A rather interesting case of mixing, I'd say.<br>
We are doing the %mor tier, no question. I am just morphologizing
the main tier also to help my coder, who doesn't know all that
much Guaraní. My understanding is that mlu (and freq) will work on
these old codes.<br>
thanks!<br>
Bruno<br>
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Bruno,
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<div> Leonid is right in suggesting that you do your coding
on the %mor tier, even if you have to do it by hand. However,
I would like to add a comment regarding circumfixes. CLAN has
no special method for considering circumfixes as single
morphemes. In part this is because trying to figure this out
computationally would be quite difficult. But it is also
motivated by the fact that it is difficult to argue that
children learn circumfixes or other discontinuous markers as
single morphemes. Consider the case of French ne ….. pas.
Here, one can trace the fact that the “ne” is often omitted
in Quebécois and even older French dialects, despite the
linguistic claim that this a single morpheme. And children
may omit either part of this “single” morpheme. I know
nothing about Guarani, but Navajo has a rich set of
aspectualmorphemes linked across positions 2 and 6 in the
verb that one could analyze as discontinuous morphemes, but I
don’t think one gains that much through that type of
analysis. </div>
<div> Of course there are always arguments on both sides of
topics like this. So, if you wish to treat nd … i as a single
morpheme for MLU, then you can achieve that effect by coding
on the %mor line in this way:</div>
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<div>neg#1s#v|walk&neg</div>
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<div>The ampersand will assure that the second part of nd….i is
not counted. This is a hack, but probably sufficient. We
could always introduce another symbol for this purpose, but
one would not gain much through that.</div>
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<div>In terms of main line coding, you could use a parallel
method, as in </div>
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<div>nd-a-guata&i</div>
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<div>you get the right number of morphemes, and you can always
search for &i. The only problem is that you somewhat mess
up easy retrieval of verb stems, but then main line morphemic
coding was never a great idea for any language.</div>
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<div>—Brian MacWhinney</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Nov 14, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Bruno Estigarribia <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:brunilda@gmail.com">brunilda@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello all!<br>
<br>
I am analyzing a corpus of code-switching between
Spanish and Guaraní.<br>
While we prepare a better version using a %mor tier
(mostly done by hand, obviously, since I don't think we
have lib files for Guaraní :-) ), I have been doing some
quick "old-style" morphemization on the main tier (which
I believe will still work with MLU as long as I include
the -t%mor switch, right?).<br>
Then a question came up: how does mlu treat circumfixes?
Example, the Guaraní negation nd-...-i as in:<br>
nd-a-guata-i<br>
NEG#1s#walk-NEG<br>
"I don't walk"<br>
I obviously don't want to count nd# and -i separately...<br>
I couldn't find the answer on either the CHAT or the
CLAN manuals, or on this list. Sorry if I've missed
something!<br>
Thanks!<br>
Bruno<br>
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