<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Apparently someone did a lot of cutting and pasting of individual bullets. It is not clear why, but that is the only way that this pattern could have arisen. It is good that CHECK catches these errors, because they are pretty serious. I think this file just has to be relinked. If there are big stretches that do not have these problems, then you can just use CHECK to locate the problem areas to be fixed.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—Brian MacWhinney</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 2, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Nan Ratner Lab <<a href="mailto:nanratnerlab@gmail.com" class="">nanratnerlab@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Another member of our lab is having problems with this error, but with a different set of data. This file was not copied and pasted together like the other ones. In this file, most of the bullets are showing up as the same time frame. We were not sure how to address this other than manually changing the numbers as you suggested or rebulleting the file.<br class=""><br class=""><div class="">49 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>five times. •61461_64037•</div><div class="">50 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>one two three four five. •2011_5921•</div><div class="">51 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>five you do yellow. •2011_5921•</div><div class="">52 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>yellow. •2011_5921•</div><div class="">53 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>one two three four five. •2011_5921•</div><div class="">54 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>yay! •2011_5921•</div><div class="">55 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>now we turn the page and what happens? •2011_5921•</div><div class="">56 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>look at that! •2011_5921•</div><div class="">57 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>one two three four five. •2011_5921•</div><div class="">58 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0 [=! laughs]. •11447_13572•</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This happens consistently throughout the transcript.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">120 *CHI:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0 [=! crying]. •189190_190633•</div><div class="">121 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>that's distracting. •2011_5921•</div><div class="">122 *CHI:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>xxx. •2011_5921•</div><div class="">123 *MOT:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>no. •195456_196189•</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Any help is appreciated, thank you!</div><br class="">On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 7:28:20 PM UTC-4, Nan Ratner Lab wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class="">Thank you so much for both of your help!<br class=""><br class="">On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-4, Brian MacWhinney wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">In addition to the idea of deleting all bullets which Leonid mentions, there is a way to tell CHECK to ignore your problems with bullets. This is to include an Options line that reads:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">@Options: bullets</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This line has to precede the first @ID line, after the @Participants line. If you include this exemption, CHECK will be happy, but your data will not play correctly in sequence. I think this only applies in the case that your are at least conforming with the idea that each transcript links to a single media file. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The best approach is to fix the misalignment either by changing the time values in the bullets and reordering the transcript, if necessary.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—Brian MacWhinney</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 31, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Leonid Spektor <<a rel="nofollow" class="">spe...@andrew.cmu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">Allison,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>The transcript's tiers have to be in an increasing time order. It is not allowed to have different parts from different time trials Also, since the bullet times are different, I have to assume that those different trial tiers are associated with different media files. Each CHAT transcript can only have one media file associated with it. So, what you did will not let you playback bullets correctly. If different trials from which you copied and pasted tiers are all referencing the same media file, then you need to assemble those trial samples in the right order within your compilation file. If you do not care about playing bullets in this compilation of different trials file, then you can just delete all bullets from the file using "Edit->Replace" menu. In the "Replace String" dialog put text cursor in the "Replace" field and click on "insert Bullet" button. Next click "Replace all" button and CLAN will remove all bullets from the file. Now CHECK will not complain about bullets.<br class=""><div class="">
<br class=""><span style="font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">Leonid.</span>
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<br class=""><div class=""><div class="">On Mar 31, 2015, at 15:40, Nan Ratner Lab <<a rel="nofollow" class="">nanrat...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Thank you for your quick response! I think the problem is that the transcripts we are working with are a compilation of different trials copied and pasted into one file. After reading your message, we tried to edit the bullet numbers, but it seems that there are many bullet times that do not correspond since the files were copied and pasted in. Is there an easier solution than re-numbering all of the bullets from the copied file? I have included an example of the issue below.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="font-family:'Segoe UI',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:inherit" class=""><div class=""><b class="">Example:</b></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">*SUB: <he was> [//] he loved going to the casino and playing the slot</div><div class="">machines. •797965_803733•</div><div class="">*SUB: he was on the slot machines three hours 0 [=! vocalizes]. •803733_806725•</div><div class="">@Eg: Run1</div><div class="">@Bg: Run2</div><div class="">*SUB: so Butch and his sister Sally went to the playground uh@fp looking</div><div class="">for some fun. •123817_158243•</div><div class="">*SUB: and they decided to play on the <&see> [//] seesaw so Butch got on</div><div class="">one side.</div><div class="">*SUB: Sally got on the other side and immediately they saw</div><div class="">the problem. •158243_165974•</div></div><br class="">On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 9:49:32 PM UTC-4, Spektor, Leonid: CMU wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Allison,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>This error only effects two tiers. There is no need to rebullet the whole file. The error is the result of time information within a bullets violating normal time progression. Following example will demonstrate the problem:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">*FAT:<span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>and what are you asking for ? •0_2312•</div><div class="">*ROS:<span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>alert [!] alert ! •2312_3715•</div><div class="">*FAT:<span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>alert means like it's time for a fire alert . •2310_6937•</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The last *FAT tier has BEG time within it's bullet set to 2310 msecs, but the previous *ROS tier has BEG time set to 2312 msecs which is 2 msecs later than *FAT tier's 2310 msecs. This means that either those two speakers should be placed in different order like this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">*FAT:<span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>and what are you asking for ? •0_2312•</div><div class="">*FAT:<span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>alert means like it's time for a fire alert . •2310_6937•</div></div><div class="">*ROS:<span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>alert [!] alert ! •2312_3715•</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">or the time BEG value of either speaker's bullets adjusted slightly to make sure that it complies with normal time flow, like this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">*FAT:<span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>and what are you asking for ? •0_2312•</div><div class="">*ROS:<span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>alert [!] alert ! •2312_3715•</div><div class="">*FAT:<span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>alert means like it's time for a fire alert . •2312_6937•</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You can open data file that has this error with CLAN, then locate the tier that causes the error and select menu "Mode->Expand bullets" or press ESC-a keys. This will display the time values within bullets and it will let you edit them by hand. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
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<br class=""><div class=""><div class="">On Mar 30, 2015, at 19:02, Nan Ratner Lab <<a rel="nofollow" class="">nanrat...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hello,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Our lab has been cleaning up transcription files using CHECK in order to run some analyses and a couple of the members have been receiving error messages that read, "Current BEG time is smaller than previous tier BEG time". We were not sure if this would require them to rebullet the entire file or if there was an easier way to fix this. Any help is appreciated!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you,</div><div class="">Allison Catalano </div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>
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