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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Leonid and Susanne,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank you for your advice. I found out that the problem is the use of [+ bch] in the exclude file. If I tried –s”[+ bch]” instead of the exclude file (testexclude.cut),
the main tier with [+ bch] was excluded as you can see below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">> MLU -s"testexclude" @<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">mlu -stestexclude @<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sun Apr 19 12:36:32 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">mlu (03-Mar-2015) is conducting analyses on:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> ONLY dependent tiers matching: %MOR;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">****************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">From file <c:\TALKBANK\CLAN\work\output\SP project\mlu.cha><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">MLU for Speaker: *ROS:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">MLU (xxx, yyy and www are EXCLUDED from the utterance and morpheme counts):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Number of: utterances = 2, morphemes = 3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Ratio of morphemes over utterances = 1.500<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Standard deviation = 0.500<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">> MLU -s"[+ bch]" @<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">mlu -s"[+ bch]" @<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sun Apr 19 12:37:30 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">mlu (03-Mar-2015) is conducting analyses on:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> ONLY dependent tiers matching: %MOR;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">****************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">From file <c:\TALKBANK\CLAN\work\output\SP project\mlu.cha><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">MLU for Speaker: *ROS:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> MLU (xxx, yyy and www are EXCLUDED from the utterance and morpheme counts):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Number of: utterances = 1, morphemes = 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Ratio of morphemes over utterances = 1.000<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Standard deviation = N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I have another question regarding an exclude file.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In order to calculate MLU following Roger Brown’s guideline, my lab is creating an exclude file. We check FREQ output of each MOR.PST.cex tanscript file to
see whether real words such as yes, no, okay, etc. in co|, uni|, and on| categories and after fixing the misclassifications of uni| and on| categories, we include uni|* and on|* in the exclude file. We also list all items of co| category other than real words
classified as co| category. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yesterday
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I ran FREQ on %mor using the exclude file attached using the command:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">FREQ +t%mor –t* -s”@spexclude.cut” +f file name<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But the FREQ output
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(2003freeplay.mor.pst.correct.frq0) contained uni| items even though the exclude file contained uni|*.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If we added the option –s“uni|*”, then uni| items were excluded (2003freeplay.mor.pst.correct.frq1).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Since other items in the exclude file were excluded from FREQ, I don’t understand why only uni|* doesn’t work. I attach the transcript I used for this analysis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Did I do something wrong here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank you in advance for your help.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yuriko<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> chibolts@googlegroups.com [mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>MiyataSusanne<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> chibolts@googlegroups.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: post code [+ bch]?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Yuriko,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">maybe the missing quotations marks are the problem?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> (MLU +t%mor –t* -s[+ bch] *.cha). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-> <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> MLU +t%mor –t* -s"[+ bch]" *.cha</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">please try. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Susanne <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2015/04/19 16:12<span lang="JA" style="font-family:"ＭＳ 明朝","serif"">、</span>Leonid Spektor <<a href="mailto:spektor@andrew.cmu.edu">spektor@andrew.cmu.edu</a>>
<span lang="JA" style="font-family:"ＭＳ 明朝","serif"">のメール：</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yuriko,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>I can't replicate the problem you are describing. I am attaching a very small sample file that I used for testing called "mlu.cha". And here is its content:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">*ROS:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>alert [!] alert ! [+ bch]<br>
%mor:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>adj|alert n|alert !<br>
*ROS:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>yeah [= yes] .<br>
%mor:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>co|yeah .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif"">When I run a default MLU command "mlu mlu.cha" on this sample file, then I get the following output reporting two utterances found:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">MLU for Speaker: *ROS:<br>
MLU (xxx, yyy and www are EXCLUDED from the utterance and morpheme counts):<br>
<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Number of: utterances = 2, morphemes = 3<br>
<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Ratio of morphemes over utterances = 1.500<br>
<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Standard deviation = 0.500<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When I run MLU command that excludes utterances with "[+ bch]" postcode 'mlu -s"[+ bch]" mlu.cha', then I get output reporting that only one utterance is found as expected:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">MLU for Speaker: *ROS:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> MLU (xxx, yyy and www are EXCLUDED from the utterance and morpheme counts):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Number of: utterances = 1, morphemes = 1<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Ratio of morphemes over utterances = 1.000<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Standard deviation = N/A<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please try this sample file on your machine with above commands. If they do work correctly, then please email directly to me your sample file that fails to exclude utterances with "[+ bch]" postcodes. If above commands do not work on attached
sample file on your computer, then I would suggest that you first try quitting CLAN and restarting it again and try those commands again. If it still doesn't work, then try rebooting your computer and for the last resort try to get latest version of CLAN and
installing it on your computer. If everything still fails, then please let me know what version of OS you have on your computer and which version of CLAN you are using, so that I could try to replicate the problem.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Leonid.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 18, 2015, at 13:48, Yuriko Oshima-Takane, Dr. <<a href="mailto:yuriko.oshima-takane@mcgill.ca">yuriko.oshima-takane@mcgill.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi Brian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We used to use [+ bch] to exclude utterances such as singing, reading, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">from MLU count (MLU +t%mor –t* -s[+ bch] *.cha). But this does not seem to work anymore. And if we add [+ bch] on % mor, CHECK complains.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Can’t we use [+ bch] anymore? If so, is there any CHAT convention we can use for this purpose?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Yuriko<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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