<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Alex,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>You are right about CLAN on the childes web site not working correctly. When we updated to new OS and therefor new web server, something went wrong and options with spaces in them, such as +s"[- zho]", stopped working. I have fixed the web CLAN script to work correctly again. The CLAN application however was always working correctly and we always encourage people to use CLAN application, that you can download from URL <a href="http://childes.talkbank.org/clan/" class="">http://childes.talkbank.org/clan/</a>, instead of CLAN on the web, because CLAN on the web is very limited in it's functionality. Primarily, you can not create a file with any web CLAN command.<br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 10, 2015, at 17:21, A Cristia <<a href="mailto:alecristia@gmail.com" class="">alecristia@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Leonid,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you so much for the response - I see now how the syntax changes between the two commands you first mentioned.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Surprisingly, though, I'm still getting zero counts with both:</div><div class="">freq +s"[- zho]" angela.cha<br class=""></div><div class="">freq +s"<- zho>" angela.cha<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For instance, on <a href="http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/browser/index.php?url=Biling/CUHK/" class="">http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/browser/index.php?url=Biling/CUHK/</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', CAFont, Courier, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 18px;" class="">freq +s"[- zho]" angela.cha</span><br style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', CAFont, Courier, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 18px;" class=""><br style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', CAFont, Courier, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 18px;" class=""><div id="command_output" style="white-space: pre; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', CAFont, Courier, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 18px;" class="">Fri Jul 10 12:08:27 2015
freq (21-Apr-2015) is conducting analyses on:
ALL speaker tiers
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<a href="http://childes.talkbank.org/browser/index.php?url=Biling/CUHK/angela.cha" style="color: rgb(96, 0, 0); cursor: pointer;" class=""><br class=""><strong style="letter-spacing: 1px;" class="">From file "angela.cha"</strong></a>
Speaker: *AUN:
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0 Total number of different item types used
0 Total number of items (tokens)
Speaker: *CHI:
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0 Total number of different item types used
0 Total number of items (tokens)
Speaker: *UNC:
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0 Total number of different item types used
0 Total number of items (tokens)
Speaker: *MOT:
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0 Total number of different item types used
0 Total number of items (tokens)</div></div><div class=""><br class="">Yet on lines 31, 174, 303, etc, there are some [- zho].</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you once more,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-alex</div><div class=""><br class="">On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 11:50:06 AM UTC-5, Spektor, Leonid: CMU wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Alex,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>I want to add one more command line which will count zho words located only on utterances that have all or most words spoken in zho language:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">freq +s"[- zho]" angela.cha<br class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 9, 2015, at 00:16, Leonid Spektor <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;" class="">spe...@andrew.cmu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Alex,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>Unfortunately the manual has combined two mutually exclusive options into one. The correct commands for example file angela.cha from CUHK corpus are:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">freq +l +s*@s:zho angela.cha</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">freq +s"<- zho>" angela.cha</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Combination of options "+l +s*@s:zho" will locate all words spoken in zho language. The option +s"<- zho> will only locate utterances that have either all or most words spoken in zho language.<br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 8, 2015, at 21:57, A Cristia <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;" class="">alecr...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Dear all,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is an old thread, but relevant to my own questions, as I'm also trying to get some freq counts in bilingual conversations.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The CLAN manual (p. 95) states:</div><div class=""><div class=""><div title="Page 95" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Courier;font-weight:700" class="">freq +l +s"<- spa>" *.cha </span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Courier;font-weight:700" class=""><br class=""></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="">However, when I run it on my file, I don't get anything (counts of zero). Note that </div><div class=""><p class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Courier;font-weight:700" class="">freq +l *.cha </span></p></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Courier;font-weight:700" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="">does yield the expected results (frequencies by language by speaker). I thought there may be something wrong with my file, so I downloaded the CUHK corpus, because the "angela.cha" file has some '[- zho]' and tried</div><div class=""><p class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Courier;font-weight:700" class="">freq +l +s"<- zho>" *.cha </span></p></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Courier;font-weight:700" class="">freq +l +s"[- zho]" *.cha </span></p></div></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Courier;font-weight:700" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="">Still zero counts. I also tried online:</div><div class=""><a href="http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/browser/index.php?url=Biling/CUHK/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchildes.psy.cmu.edu%2Fbrowser%2Findex.php%3Furl%3DBiling%2FCUHK%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNERYV1kvk6mBIlF_oF2bw7FctWsFQ';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchildes.psy.cmu.edu%2Fbrowser%2Findex.php%3Furl%3DBiling%2FCUHK%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNERYV1kvk6mBIlF_oF2bw7FctWsFQ';return true;" class="">http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/browser/index.php?url=Biling/CUHK/</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:'Arial Unicode MS',CAFont,Courier,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:18px" class="">freq +l +s"[- zho]" angela.cha</span><br style="font-family:'Arial Unicode MS',CAFont,Courier,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:18px" class=""><br style="font-family:'Arial Unicode MS',CAFont,Courier,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:18px" class=""><div style="white-space:pre;font-family:'Arial Unicode MS',CAFont,Courier,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:18px" class="">Wed Jul 8 21:55:43 2015
freq (21-Apr-2015) is conducting analyses on:
ALL speaker tiers
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<a href="http://childes.talkbank.org/browser/index.php?url=Biling/CUHK/angela.cha" style="color:rgb(96,0,0)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchildes.talkbank.org%2Fbrowser%2Findex.php%3Furl%3DBiling%2FCUHK%2Fangela.cha\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFOloUkuQWsGZkjx3zBnioRGg37QA';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchildes.talkbank.org%2Fbrowser%2Findex.php%3Furl%3DBiling%2FCUHK%2Fangela.cha\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFOloUkuQWsGZkjx3zBnioRGg37QA';return true;" class=""><br class=""><strong style="letter-spacing:1px" class="">From file "angela.cha"</strong></a>
Speaker: *AUN:
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0 Total number of different item types used
0 Total number of items (tokens)
Speaker: *CHI:
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0 Total number of different item types used
0 Total number of items (tokens)
Speaker: *UNC:
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0 Total number of different item types used
0 Total number of items (tokens)
Speaker: *MOT:
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0 Total number of different item types used
0 Total number of items (tokens)</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> And the same issues with the [ version.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What am I doing wrong?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you in advance,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Alex Cristia</div><div class="">
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