<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Nan,<div class=""> I think 10 is a reasonable window for the average. Taking too small a window could lead to instability in the repeated samples, because there would not be enough diversity. A larger window would be okay, but only if you have a large sample size. The important idea underlying MATTR is that you are using a standard window throughout in order to get around the sample size problem. In Covington’s terms, you are “cutting the Gordian knot”.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—Brian MacWhinney</div><div class=""> <br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 19, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Nan Bernstein Ratner <<a href="mailto:nratner@umd.edu" class="">nratner@umd.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I just tried MATTR and it does output in spreadsheet; you simply use the +d2 option in addition to the +bN option.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">My question is about the value to use for N; you use 10, but is there a rhyme or reason to picking a window size?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">N<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Nan Bernstein Ratner, Fellow, ASHA; 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text-decoration: underline;" class="">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: VOCD manual<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I've done it and it is working - thank you. One more question - I wondered if it is possible to have the MATTR output formatted like KIDEVAL is, in a spreadsheet with each transcript listed in a row and the MATTR in the column next to it. This would make it so much easier to copy + paste into my stats software.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Thanks,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Amber<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">On Wednesday, 19 August 2015 19:08:15 UTC+1, Amber wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Thanks Leonid! Going to download a newer version.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Best<br class="">Amber<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">On Wednesday, 19 August 2015 18:56:02 UTC+1, Spektor, Leonid: CMU wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Amber,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> CHECK does not look at %mor tier. KIDEVAL will check word's one to one correspondence between %mor tier and main speaker tier, But, if you have already ran KIDEVAL with your current version of CLAN without any errors, then the latest version of CLAN will not find errors either. You do not need to re-MOR your data to use MATTR analyses, because FREQ is only looking at main speaker tiers and is ignoring %mor tiers. But, if you want to get more accurate results from KIDEVAL, for example, then you should get new MOR grammar and re-MOR your data. In fact you should do that even if you do not update your CLAN, because we constantly improve MOR grammar and this will give you more accurate results.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', serif;" class="">Leonid.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Aug 19, 2015, at 13:14, Amber <<a href="mailto:ambal...@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ambal...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Dear Brian<br class=""><br class="">Thank you. When I have gone to run the +bN command, it is not working. I am thinking that I need to download a newer version of CLAN (I can see from previous posts that MATTR has only recently been implemented). However, I want to avoid having to re-MOR and check all my transcripts to ensure their compatibility with the newer version of the software. Is there anyway to update my current CLAN software (without downloading the newer version) so that will allow me to run +bN?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Best wishes<br class="">Amber<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">On Wednesday, 19 August 2015 17:22:53 UTC+1, Brian MacWhinney wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Dear Amber,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> Thanks for noting that old link in the manual. I have removed it and replaced it with a pointer to <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 27pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Malvern, D., Richards, B., Chipere, N., & Purán, P. (2004).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Lexical diversity and language development</i>. New York: Palgrave Macmillan.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">In regards to sample size, VOCD requires 100 utterances. For smaller samples and more generally, you may wish to consider using MATTR, as described in my previous ChiBolts message on this topic. There I gave a reference to <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Covington, M. A., & McFall, J. D. (2010). Cutting the Gordian knot: The moving-average type–token ratio (MATTR). Journal of Quantitative Linguistics, 17(2), 94-100. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">and you may wish to read the recent comparison of VOCD, TTR, and MATTR<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left: 27pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Fergadiotis, G., Wright, H., & Green, S. (2015). Psychometric evaluation of lexical diversity indices: Assessing length effects.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research, 58</i>, 840. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">My take-home from this is that people should only use TTR when comparing across samples of the same length and even then, VOCD or MATTR would be better. In general, researchers should prefer MATTR to VOCD. In CLAN, you run MATTR using this option in FREQ<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class="">+bN This option calculates the lexical diversity of a sample using the Moving Average Type-Token Ratio (MATTR). This index is based on a moving window that computes TTRs for each successive window of fixed length (N). Initially, a window length is selected (e.g., 10 words) and the TTR for words 1- 10 is estimated. Then, the TTR is estimated for words 2-11, then 3-12, and so on to the end of the text. 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