<div dir="ltr"><div>Nan asked about MATTR in child samples. I just used MATTR for the first time and found it more sensitive than VOCD to group differences in school-aged children. Some of the samples were too brief for VOCD calculations, so it was handy to have a tool that can be used with shorter narratives. <br><br></div>Jamie<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Nan Bernstein Ratner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nratner@umd.edu" target="_blank">nratner@umd.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">A colleague and I found VOCD to correlate with standardized vocabulary profiles much better than TTR did:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Silverman, S (Now Stacy Wagovich). and Ratner, N. (2002). Measuring lexical diversity in children who stutter: application of vocd.
<i>Journal of Fluency Disorders, 27</i> (4), 1-16.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">In our ongoing work, with adults who stutter, multiple aspects of expressive language use differ from that seen in typically fluent speakers; TTR does not reveal anything, but our adults who stutter speak much
less. VOCD is showing statistical differences between the groups. Amanda is right, VOCD is impacted by sample size, but not as much. It will be interesting to see how MATTR compares, especially for use with child language or smaller samples. Has anyone out
there tried it for child samples?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">It will be interesting to try to derive ‘norms” for VOCD, since it is essentially an estimate, and you won’t get EXACTLY the same value twice. In fact, that’s how I know if my students are doing their own CLAN
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Amanda Owen Van Horne<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 20, 2015 9:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> chibolts <<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: VOCD manual<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Owen, A. J., & Leonard, L. B. (2002). Lexical Diversity in the Spontaneous Speech of Children With Specific Language ImpairmentApplication of D.<i>Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research</i>, <i>45</i>(5),
927-937. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Bottom line is that VOCD is better than TTR, but less transparent. It does still vary with sample size, but to a lesser degree. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">McCarthy, P. M., & Jarvis, S. (2010). MTLD, vocd-D, and HD-D: A validation study of sophisticated approaches to lexical diversity assessment. <i>Behavior research methods</i>, <i>42</i>(2), 381-392.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Compares various methods of computing D. Recommends a variety of measures. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Koizumi, R. (2012). Relationships between text length and lexical diversity measures: can we use short texts of less than 100 tokens. <i>Vocabulary Learning and Instruction</i>, <i>1</i>(1),
60-69.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommends MLTD</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 9:46:58 AM UTC-5, Amber wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In fact, perhaps I should just post my question on here. The CHAT manual talks about calculating D and states that it can be done on samples as small as 50 tokens. However, reliability is less good for small samples. Could anyone advise
me on whether VOCD is still a more valid measure than TTR, even for small transcripts (e.g., during a shared-book reading session)? I assume that as long as the sample is large enough for KIDEVAL to be able to give me VOCD values then it is OK?<br>
Thanks<br>
Amber<br>
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The CLAN manual contains the following link, which no longer appears to work. <br>
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<a href="http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/manuals/vocd.doc" target="_blank">http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/manuals/vocd.doc</a><br>
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Is there a new link to the VOCD manual/another similar article? <br>
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Many thanks<br>
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