<div dir="ltr">Perfect. Thank you so much for your help!!!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brian MacWhinney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:macw@cmu.edu" target="_blank">macw@cmu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Dear Katie,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">You need a space after the plus in [+ gram]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">--Brian<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 11:43 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>ChiBolts <<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: CHAT/CLAN help: add to %mor, missing items, %err line, post codes<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Oops, yes. Thank you.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will consult the manual regarding the postcode commands; thank you for the reference! However, if I use the post code *PAR: words words words. [+gram] it gives me an error saying, "Symbol is not declared in the depfile.(11)" for every
main tier with a post code, and [+gram] is highlighted in red. This is why I was wondering which tier they are meant to be on, because I am getting this error. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So sorry for all of the questions, and thank you so much for your help! I really appreciate it!<br>
Katie <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Brian MacWhinney <<a href="mailto:macw@cmu.edu" target="_blank">macw@cmu.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Dear Katerina,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Yes typos can cause problems. If you have a small corpus, hand entry of these codes will be much easier. At some point, we intend to enter in the v.cut lexicon the various codes derived from VerbNet.
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<span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> Regarding your problem with error codes on the main line, I would again suspect a typo. For example, the line you sent me was</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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PAR*: The fish [* s:r] caught the man [* s:r].<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But this has to be<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">*PAR: The fish [* s:r] caught the man [* s:r].<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In regards to searching for postcodes, there is a distinction between finding the postcode and finding the material marked with the postcode. Please just read section 10.7 of the
manual.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">--Brian MacWhinney<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri">ChiBolts <<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>> on behalf of Katerina Tetzloff <<a href="mailto:katie.tetzloff.12@gmail.com" target="_blank">katie.tetzloff.12@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>ChiBolts <<a href="mailto:chibolts@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chibolts@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:katie.tetzloff.12@gmail.com" target="_blank">katie.tetzloff.12@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:katie.tetzloff.12@gmail.com" target="_blank">katie.tetzloff.12@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: CHAT/CLAN help: add to %mor, missing items, %err line, post codes</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your response!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Regarding the first question, I must have had some sort of typo, because I am not getting any errors at the moment. I will try editing the v.cut, as you said this would be the
best way to do that. I don't have a huge corpus, so it should be doable for the tokens I have.
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<p class="MsoNormal">-I did, however, get an error when trying to code errors on the main tier. For example:<br>
PAR*: The fish [* s:r] caught the man [* s:r].<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This gave me error messages until I replaced the error indication on the main tier to just [*] and specified the [* s:r] on the error tier. Should this work just on the main tier?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-I will put my postcodes back onto the main line! Thank you! However, how do I run commands searching for lines with a certain postcode? I was thinking
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you!!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Katerina<br>
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On Tuesday, 7 June 2016 14:59:09 UTC-5, Brian MacWhinney wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Dear Katerina,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">I couldn’t replicate any problem directly. Probably I don’t understand what you are doing. Which program is giving you the error message? To understand this, I would need to see your command line and a one-line
file in which you enter the code and get an error message. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> However, the right way to do this would be to add verb class codes to all the verbs in the v.cut file in the English MOR grammar. That is a big job, but it would be the right way to tackle the issue.
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<span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> Regarding searches for 0det and such, you would use +s”0*” in FREQ, KWAL, etc.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> Yes, you can run commands on the %err tier. You use +t%err. However, we encourage people to do error coding on the main line. The manual has a section on this.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> Postcodes go on the main line.
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<span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">--Brian MacWhinney</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 12:32 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>ChiBolts <<a href="mailto:chib...@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">chib...@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>CHAT/CLAN help: add to %mor, missing items, %err line, post codes</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am currently undertaking a project that requires automated language analysis and have chosen to use CLAN. I have consulted the CHAT and CLAN user manuals but am left with a few
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">1)</span><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:7pt"> -
</span><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Is there a way to add more detail to the %mor tier and run analyses on these things that are not mentioned in the CHAT manual? I am wanting to code argument structure of verbs. I tried adding
an extra classification on my %mor tier like v|give-3S-PAST-ditransitive, but it gives me an error that it does not recognize that code. I am not sure how to edit the %mor file to adjust this, if it is even doable.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">2)</span><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:7pt"> - </span><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">If
I code missing items, like 0det for missing determiner, how can I run commands just involving these absent items?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">3)</span><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:7pt"> - </span><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Can
I run commands on the error tier? I have coded semantic errors and would like to run an analysis on these if possible.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">4)</span><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:7pt"> - </span><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">I also
would like to use post codes (e.g., [+gram] is mentioned in the CHAT manual) at the end of lines, but the manual doesn’t say on which tier this code needs to be. I have been putting it on the annotation tier, which does not cause any errors, but I am unable
to run commands based on the post-code. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">Thank you!
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