<div dir="ltr">Leonid,<br><br>Thanks so much for the reply!<br><br>Some questions from a programmer who is helping me:<br>Is there a way to make BATCH stop on the first error it encounters?<br>Is there a way to run CLAN commands from cmd.exe / from Python without the GUI?<br><br>Lulu<br><br><br>On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 10:56:32 AM UTC-4, Spektor, Leonid: CMU wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p>Lulu,</p>
<p>FREQMERG is not meant to produce totals. It is just a very
simplified subset version of FREQ command. You can get the same
effect with FREQ command:</p>
<p>freq +u +o3 *.cha<br>
</p>
<pre cols="72">Leonid.
</pre>
<div>On 30-06-16 01:29, Lulu wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Brian and Leonid,<br>
<br>
Thanks so much for your responses. They were very helpful. I
also tried the FREQMERG command to add the English words
embedded in Chinese utterances to the total English words list
for a transcript. However, I noticed that FREQMERG only produced
a frequency list without the total types/tokens or the
type/token ratios that are produced by FREQ. Is there a way to
get FREQMERG to produce the totals?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Lulu<br>
<br>
On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 5:41:36 PM UTC-4, Spektor,
Leonid: CMU wrote:
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<p>Lulu,</p>
<p> The +l option has a bug that will fail for some of
your data words. The problem is with words that have $
character as in your example word "this@s$n". I have fixed
this bug and I will install new CLAN on childes web site
later today.You will need to get and install new CLAN on
your computer. The +s option would be "<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">+s*@s:eng*"
in your case. If you want to see what CLAN sees when +l
option is used, then try "kwal +d +l *.cha" command.<br>
</span></p>
<pre cols="72">Leonid.
</pre>
<div>On 29-06-16 17:19, Brian MacWhinney wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Dear
Lulu,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">In that
case, you can add the +l switch which marks each
word overtly for its language. The command that
would work for CharlotteEng is:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">freq
+l +s*@s:eng *.cha +u +f +t*CHI</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">--Brian</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">ChiBolts
<a rel="nofollow"><chi...@googlegroups.com></a> on
behalf of Lulu <a rel="nofollow"><lul...@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>ChiBolts <a rel="nofollow"></a><a><chi...@googlegroups.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 4:56 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>ChiBolts <a rel="nofollow"><chi...@googlegroups.com></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Running FREQ for bilingual
transcripts</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #b5c4df 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Brian,<br>
<br>
But I'd like to get separate counts for
English and Chinese words. Let me rephrase my
question. In a predominantly English
transcript, I'd like to get a count of ALL
English words, including the ones embedded in
[- zho] lines marked with @s. I can now
achieve this by running two separate commands
(TCH is teacher):<br>
<br>
freq +tTCH -s"[- zho-yue]" -s"[- zho]" *.cha<br>
freq +tTCH +s*@s* *.cha<br>
<br>
There are two issues with the 2-command
solution:<br>
1. I get two sets of counts that need to be
summed manually.<br>
2. The same word with and without @s are
counted as two types.<br>
<br>
I was wondering if there's a way to combine
these two commands and resolve these two
issues (or at least one). Below is an excerpt
of my transcript (TCH is teacher) (for IRB
reasons, I cannot provide the whole
transcript):<br>
<br>
*TCH: you can take this heart .<br>
*TCH: [- zho] this@s$n <span style="font-family:"MS Mincho"" lang="ZH-CN">星</span> .<span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
<br>
</span>Thank you so much for your patience and
kindness.<span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
<br>
</span>Lulu<span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
<br>
</span>On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 2:41:46
PM UTC-4, Brian MacWhinney wrote: </p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Dear
Lulu,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I
think you want +s:[- zho]” in this
case, not –s”[- zho]” When I run</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">freq
+s"[- yue]" +t*CHI *.cha +u</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">on
CharlotteEng, I get both the English
words marked as @s and the Cantonese.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">--Brian</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">ChiBolts
<<a>chib...@googlegroups.com</a>>
on behalf of Lulu <<a></a><a>lulu...@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>ChiBolts <<a></a><a>chib...@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, June 28, 2016
at 10:34 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>ChiBolts <<a></a><a>chib...@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Running FREQ
for bilingual transcripts</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #b5c4df 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Brian,<br>
<br>
I tried to run the reverse
command on the same transcript
(mostly English with a dozen
words in Chinese)<br>
<br>
freq +tTCH -s"[- zho]" +s”*@s”
*.cha (I added * after @s
because my transcript also tags
if the @s word is a noun or a
verb)<span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
<br>
</span>hoping to add the few @s
English words embedded in [-
zho] lines to the English word
counts, but only got 0's. With
+s"*@s*" removed, I get good
results which don't include the
@s English words. Not sure how I
can fix this.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Lulu<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at
10:22:40 PM UTC-4, Lulu wrote: </p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear
Brian,<br>
<br>
That just did magic! Thank
you so much!<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Lulu<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at
10:15:26 PM UTC-4, Brian
MacWhinney wrote: </p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Dear Lulu,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Without seeing your
transcripts, I can’t
say exactly what is
wrong. However, if
you run this similar
command on the
CharlotteEng folder
in the YipMatthews
corpus, you get good
results:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">freq +t*CHI +s"[- yue]"
*.cha</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The idea is that this will
include all words on
the [- yue] lines
including those with
@s, although the
latter are pretty
rare. If you want
to exclude those,
just add –s”*@s”</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:9.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">-- Brian MacWhinney</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">ChiBolts
<a></a><a><chib...@googlegroups.com></a>
on behalf of Lulu
<a></a><a><lulu...@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>ChiBolts
<a></a><a><chib...@googlegroups.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday,
June 28, 2016 at
5:10 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>ChiBolts
<a></a><a><chib...@googlegroups.com></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Running
FREQ for bilingual
transcripts</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi
Brian and team
members,<br>
<br>
I ran the freq
command<br>
<br>
freq +tTCH +s"[-
zho]" *.cha<br>
<br>
for transcripts
that contain
bilingual
utterances
(e.g., *TCH:
[- zho] this@s$n
<span lang="ZH-CN">星</span>).
The dominant
language of the
transcripts was
English so we
marked
utterances that
contained
Chinese with [-
zho]. The output
types and tokens
included all the
English words
that were marked
@s. I thought I
would get the
types and tokens
of all the
Chinese words by
running the
above command.
Is the problem
with the
transcript or
the command?<br>
<br>
Thank you!<br>
<br>
Lulu</p>
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