<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Jeanine,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Manual and even VOCD's own "Examples: are a bit of out of date. To get the best lemma-based analysis you should use the following command:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">vocd +sm;*,o% @<br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 6, 2017, at 17:01, Jeanine Treffers-Daller <<a href="mailto:j.c.treffers-daller@reading.ac.uk" class="">j.c.treffers-daller@reading.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">Hi Leonid and all readers</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">I am using vocd on the dependent tier and it works fine, but have added a third switch </span><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">+s"*|*~%%" which is not in the manual, to exclude a group of suffixes marked by ~. Perhaps this is something that can be added to the manual?</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">I also think that computing a lemmatized vocd on the dependent tier leads to some distortions because the grammatical information to the left of the pipe separator is left in the text. For example: "running" is marked as "n:gerund|run" and participles are marked "part|go". Any other forms of these verbs would have different codes to the left of the pipe separator. I assume that in the case of "run" this would be "v|run" and for "go" this would be "v|go". So vocd will treat the two forms of these verbs as different types. That is not what we want in lemmatized analyses of lexical diversity. The vocd score is inflated because of this.</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">Would it be possible to also erase the information to the left of the pipe separator when running vocd on the mor tier? That would solve the problem. I have tried to create a command to do this, but it doesn't seem to work. I added +s"*%%|*". </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">The output I am getting without the switch I tried to add is given below. The file itself is also attached.</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">Another unrelated point I'd like to flag up is that the complementizer "that" is classified as a relative pronoun in the data set. Is it possible to change this perhaps?</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">thanks a lot for your help!</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">best wishes</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">Jeanine</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">vocd +t%mor -t* +s"*|*-%%" +s"*|*&%%" +s"*|*~%%" +s"*|%%*" -<a href="mailto:s@exclude.cut" class="">s@exclude.cut</a> @</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">Mon Nov 06 21:42:01 2017</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">vocd (20-Oct-2017) is conducting analyses on:</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class=""> ONLY dependent tiers matching: %MOR;</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">****************************************</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">From file <c:\DOCUMENTS\GRONINGEN\LLP\NATIVE SPEAKERS\post\E103.mor.pst.cex></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">det|a adj|small n|boy coord|and pro:poss:det|his n|dad cop|be prep|by det|a n|large n|lake adj|throw n|stick prep|in pro|it prep|for pro:poss:det|their n|dog </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">det|the adj|little n|boy adj|call n:prop|Sam cop|be adj|happy n:gerund|play prep|with pro:poss:det|his n|dog coord|and det|the n|dog v|swim prep|across det|the n|lake adj|fetch det|the n|stick prep|for pro:obj|him </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">det|a adv:int|rather adv|well inf|to v|do n|gentleman v|walk adv|by coord|and v|think rel|that pro:sub|he mod|will v|like inf|to v|join adv|in prep|with n:prop|Sam coord|and pro:poss:det|his n|dad coord|and pro:poss:det|his n|dog </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">pro:sub|he v|show pro:poss:det|his n|stick prep|to det|the n|dog </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">pro:indef|everybody v|look prep|at pro:obj|him adv:int|rather in#adv|credulous </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">conj|but pro:indef|none det|the adj|less pro:sub|he v|decide inf|to v|join prep|in det|the n|fun coord|and pro:sub|he v|throw pro:poss:det|his adj|walk n|stick adv|far adv|away prep|into det|the n|middle prep|of det|the n|lake </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">n:prop|Sam coord|and pro:poss:det|his n|dad coord|and pro:poss:det|his n|dog adv|still mod|do adv:int|quite v|understand rel|what part|go adv|on coord|and pro:sub|they v|walk adv|away prep|as det|the coord|and det|the prep|as det|the n|dog mod|do v|want inf|to v|chase det|the n|stick </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">det|the adj|poor n|gentleman cop|be adv|left adv|there prep|by pro:refl|himself inf|to v|take prep|off pro:poss:det|his n:pt|clothes coord|and v|go part|swim prep|in det|the n|lake inf|to v|retrieve pro:poss:det|his n|stick </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">n:prop|Sam aux|be part|play prep|on det|the n|pavement adj|outside det|a n|bank pro:indef|one n|day </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">conj|as pro:sub|he part|play prep|with pro:poss:det|his n|toy det|a n|man v|come n:gerund|run adj|past conj|and prep|into det|the n|bank n:gerund|push n:prop|Sam adv|over adv|as pro:sub|he v|go </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">n:prop|Sam v|drop pro:poss:det|his n|toy coord|and cop|be qn|most n|upset </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">pro:poss:det|his n|dad v|run adv|over prep|to pro:obj|him inf|to v|see rel|what det|the n|matter </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">coord|and n:prop|Sam v|tell pro:obj|him prep|of det|the adj|rude n|man pro:dem|that adv:int|just v|push pro:obj|him adv|over conj|and adv|up coord|and v|spoil pro:poss:det|his n|game </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">pro:poss:det|his n|dad n|march prep|into det|the n|bank prep|with n:prop|Sam </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">det|the n|man rel|that adv:int|just part|push n:prop|Sam prep|over aux|be part|hold det|the n|bank prep|up adj|use n|gun coord|and pro:indef|everyone prep|in det|the n|bank adj|frighten </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">conj|but n:prop|Sam coord|and pro:poss:det|his n|dad mod|do adv:int|even v|notice det|this pro:sub|they co|so n|cross prep|with pro:obj|him </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">n:prop|Sam n|dad v|slap det|the n|man </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">coord|and pro:sub|he v|drop pro:poss:det|his n|gun coord|and n:prop|Sam adv:int|very adj|happy coord|and part|clap </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">n:prop|Sam n|dad co|so n|cross prep|with pro:obj|him rel|that det|the n|bank det|the n|bank n|work cop|be adv|real v|impress rel|that pro:sub|he aux|have aux|be part|frighten prep|of det|the n|gun coord|and n|thing </span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242);" class="">pro:indef|everyone v|applaud n:prop|Sam coord|and pro:poss:det|his n|dad prep|for pro:poss:det|their n|bravery </span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><div class="">okens samples ttr st.dev D</div><div class=""> 35 100 0.7886 0.062 51.470</div><div class=""> 36 100 0.7678 0.062 45.692</div><div class=""> 37 100 0.7589 0.064 44.198</div><div class=""> 38 100 0.7758 0.053 51.002</div><div class=""> 39 100 0.7590 0.059 46.604</div><div class=""> 40 100 0.7552 0.067 46.611</div><div class=""> 41 100 0.7524 0.063 46.883</div><div class=""> 42 100 0.7560 0.057 49.174</div><div class=""> 43 100 0.7428 0.068 46.120</div><div class=""> 44 100 0.7416 0.057 46.821</div><div class=""> 45 100 0.7382 0.058 46.841</div><div class=""> 46 100 0.7233 0.050 43.476</div><div class=""> 47 100 0.7426 0.056 50.331</div><div class=""> 48 100 0.7221 0.054 45.027</div><div class=""> 49 100 0.7314 0.053 48.803</div><div class=""> 50 100 0.7238 0.055 47.419</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">D: average = 47.279; std dev. = 2.250</div><div class="">D_optimum <47.19; min least sq val = 0.001> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">tokens samples ttr st.dev D</div><div class=""> 35 100 0.7674 0.058 44.316</div><div class=""> 36 100 0.7792 0.067 49.484</div><div class=""> 37 100 0.7654 0.067 46.199</div><div class=""> 38 100 0.7692 0.066 48.711</div><div class=""> 39 100 0.7715 0.054 50.809</div><div class=""> 40 100 0.7485 0.064 44.553</div><div class=""> 41 100 0.7456 0.061 44.800</div><div class=""> 42 100 0.7464 0.061 46.142</div><div class=""> 43 100 0.7477 0.057 47.632</div><div class=""> 44 100 0.7307 0.059 43.613</div><div class=""> 45 100 0.7462 0.053 49.370</div><div class=""> 46 100 0.7361 0.062 47.220</div><div class=""> 47 100 0.7306 0.056 46.573</div><div class=""> 48 100 0.7260 0.048 46.180</div><div class=""> 49 100 0.7218 0.065 45.893</div><div class=""> 50 100 0.7182 0.053 45.760</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">D: average = 46.703; std dev. = 1.981</div><div class="">D_optimum <46.63; min least sq val = 0.001> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">tokens samples ttr st.dev D</div><div class=""> 35 100 0.7711 0.066 45.472</div><div class=""> 36 100 0.7614 0.066 43.732</div><div class=""> 37 100 0.7708 0.059 47.959</div><div class=""> 38 100 0.7479 0.063 42.155</div><div class=""> 39 100 0.7585 0.062 46.442</div><div class=""> 40 100 0.7650 0.064 49.806</div><div class=""> 41 100 0.7493 0.060 45.901</div><div class=""> 42 100 0.7364 0.057 43.210</div><div class=""> 43 100 0.7347 0.065 43.730</div><div class=""> 44 100 0.7350 0.057 44.849</div><div class=""> 45 100 0.7227 0.054 42.370</div><div class=""> 46 100 0.7261 0.065 44.268</div><div class=""> 47 100 0.7357 0.059 48.139</div><div class=""> 48 100 0.7352 0.055 48.992</div><div class=""> 49 100 0.7243 0.060 46.615</div><div class=""> 50 100 0.7162 0.062 45.185</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">D: average = 45.552; std dev. = 2.244</div><div class="">D_optimum <45.50; min least sq val = 0.001> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">VOCD RESULTS SUMMARY</div><div class="">====================</div><div class=""> Types,Tokens,TTR: <138,320,0.431250></div><div class=""> D_optimum values: <47.19, 46.63, 45.50></div><div class=""> D_optimum average: 46.44</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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