<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Jeanine,<div class=""><br class=""><div class=""> Currently, "that" has three values:</div><div class="">Result: pro:rel|that^pro:dem|that^det:dem|that</div><div class="">You don't mention the third, which is involved in sentences like "that man is my father"</div><div class="">You are basically asking to add a fourth reading of conj|that. You are suggesting that we add the reading conj:sub|that. In fact, we changed all cases of conj:sub to just conj over a year ago. So, it would be conj|that. Perhaps you have an old version of MOR. But this is just a cosmetic renaming in any case. I agree that it makes good linguistic sense to add conj|that. If successfully tagged, that form would apply to lines 29 and 89 in your example transcript. However, for this to have any impact on what you are doing, we would first have to go through the training corpus to see if this usage is even present with any frequency. If not, adding it will have no effect on POST. And then there is the question about whether it is present in sufficient quantity to result in good tagging. This will take time and it is hard at this point to say whether it would work out reliably. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Going through your example file, it is clear that there are errors in disambiguating "that" beyond just the problem with conj|that. There are also two cases in which something should be tagged as pro:dem, but is tagged instead as pro:rel (lines 69 annd 95). I see in your corrected version that you properly recoded these as pro:dem|that. In both of these cases, it appears that the demonstrative occurs before the word "is". I could add the following rule to POSTMORTEM that would cover these cases:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">pro:rel|that cop|* => pro:dem|that cop|*</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However, to avoid overgeneration, this should really include a "not" as in </div><div class="">^n|* pro:rel|that cop|* => ^n|* pro:dem|that cop|*</div><div class="">That would probably fix the majority of these problems. However, this will require a modification to POSTMORTEM. The good news is that we need to make this modification anyway. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However, there is no way to use this POSTMORTEM method for adding conj|that. For this, the best approach is a version of what you are doing. You search for pro:rel|that and revise to conj|that. This should only take a few minutes for each file. You could also go a bit faster perhaps if you search for pro:rel|that with KWAL and then use the output to triple click and go to cases where you think a change should be made. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'll address your other question separately.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">--Brian MacWhinney</div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:47 AM, Jeanine Treffers-Daller <<a href="mailto:jeanine.daller07@gmail.com" class="">jeanine.daller07@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Dear Leonid and colleagues<div class="">We have come across a problem with the mor tier:</div><div class="">On the mor tier the word THAT is coded as pro:rel regardless of its actual grammatical role.
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I have seen that the MOR manual on the CHILDES website also contains examples with the same mistakes</span><span style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline" class=""><span class=""> so wondered if this could be addressed. These are the three uses of "that" in our stories:</span></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">1: that used as a subordinate conjunction (complementizer) as in “he saw that the cat…” Should the code on the mor tier be "</span><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:16px" class="">conj:sub|that"?</span></font></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">2: that used as a demonstrative
pronoun as in “that was delicious” : code "</span><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:16px" class="">pro:dem|that"?</span></font></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">3: that used as a relative pronoun as in “a playful
cat that saw a butterfly”. This is coded correctly as "pro:rel|that" on the mor tier.</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I have manually changed this on the mor tier in the attachment "cat.mor.pst.cha" but have also attached the original file with the errors. We have 1000 children telling these stories so doing all this manually is a bit difficult.</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">A second question related to the above is whether we can disambiguate these three types of "that" when we count types on the mor tier. If we run "</span><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:16px" class="">freq +sm;*,o% @" we get a list of types but the three types of "that" are counted as one type. We'd like to be able to differentiate between these three in our count of types. Is there any way to do this? Thanks a lot for your help!</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:16px" class="">best wishes</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:16px" class="">Jeanine Treffers-Daller</span></font></div></div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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